Coronavirus Outbreak

[ALX22]

Stay safe everyone.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Watching a live report from Coogee with hardly a mask in sight and some wonder why this thing continues to spread to other areas.

But, if these people are outside they're not breaking the rules. It's not in an LGA of concern. Or, have I got it wrong?

More so that I cannot believe that there hasn't been a universal mask mandate.

The let's have a different rule for this side of the street because it is in this LGA and one for the other side that's in the neighbouring one, which in the next week or so will likely have the same rule because it has spread there is ridiculous. As is expecting the population of the former to do more than their neighbour is required to, or at the very least not be angered by such.

Leave your home or vehicle and put a mask on, uniform and simple.

I agree with you with regard to uniformity but I don't support masks being worn everywhere. I hate wearing a mask but wear one wherever it's mandated. I do an 8km power walk every day. I walk around Tuggerah Lake from Long Jetty to The Entrance and return. I do the walk in about 60 minutes which is pretty rapid and is good for my mental and physical health. I probably pass by 30 - 50 people when I walk and give them as wide a berth as possible. I couldn't physically do that walk with a mask on. I've tried and just can't draw in enough oxygen.

A nice walk just south from me, with Long Jetty having the first set of traffic lights that I come across on that drive.

I wouldn't want to wear a mask power walking, but hey, I don't want to do that either. We have a lot of bush or water separating us from the Sydney basin, but within that area they have rules set by arbitrary lines drawn on a map. The virus doesn't recognise council boundaries.

Similarly with the 5km rule, happy to abide by it, but the difference in areas is plain to see, with the basically empty 5km plus just north of The Entrance area you mentioned. I have an Aldi, woollies and Coles just inside my radius but some nearby affected by the same rule won't.

The 5km rule is interesting. I've just read the latest health regulation and it says you can travel anywhere within your own LGA but a 5km from your home rule applies if you want to travel outside your LGA. So I live at Forresters Beach and can keep doing that walk even though I end up nearly 10kms from home at The Entrance because I don't leave my LGA.

Okay, I thought they tightened it to 5km from your home during the briefing. In that case I can still drive some 70km to Patonga which is equally ridiculous.

it is 5km from your home
my local golf course the cops were there checking ID and fining people 5km from home residence

It's not. Unless you are living in one of the LGAs 'of concern', if you stay within your LGA you're OK. 5km only applies if you move outside your LGA. This is an excerpt from the SMH:
"The 10-kilometre rule in place in Greater Sydney will be cut to five kilometres from 12.01am on August 16. Shopping, exercise and outdoor recreation must be done in your local government area, or within five kilometres of home if leaving your LGA."

I'm in Parramatta LGA so guess so
I would be careful though come Monday

 

[diedpretty]

So the idiot now plunges the whole state into lockdown - the mid north coast hasn't had a positive case for over 18 months but we are now in lockdown. IGA at Wauchope had to close their doors because of mass panic buying. My local Woolies was like Myers on a Boxing Day sale. Talk about losing the plot. Oh and by the way the MNC has one of the highest vaccination rates - hey but let the witch have her day because she won't have many more in office.

 

[Tiger5150]

Watching a live report from Coogee with hardly a mask in sight and some wonder why this thing continues to spread to other areas.

But, if these people are outside they're not breaking the rules. It's not in an LGA of concern. Or, have I got it wrong?

More so that I cannot believe that there hasn't been a universal mask mandate.

The let's have a different rule for this side of the street because it is in this LGA and one for the other side that's in the neighbouring one, which in the next week or so will likely have the same rule because it has spread there is ridiculous. As is expecting the population of the former to do more than their neighbour is required to, or at the very least not be angered by such.

Leave your home or vehicle and put a mask on, uniform and simple.

I agree with you with regard to uniformity but I don't support masks being worn everywhere. I hate wearing a mask but wear one wherever it's mandated. I do an 8km power walk every day. I walk around Tuggerah Lake from Long Jetty to The Entrance and return. I do the walk in about 60 minutes which is pretty rapid and is good for my mental and physical health. I probably pass by 30 - 50 people when I walk and give them as wide a berth as possible. I couldn't physically do that walk with a mask on. I've tried and just can't draw in enough oxygen.

A nice walk just south from me, with Long Jetty having the first set of traffic lights that I come across on that drive.

I wouldn't want to wear a mask power walking, but hey, I don't want to do that either. We have a lot of bush or water separating us from the Sydney basin, but within that area they have rules set by arbitrary lines drawn on a map. The virus doesn't recognise council boundaries.

Similarly with the 5km rule, happy to abide by it, but the difference in areas is plain to see, with the basically empty 5km plus just north of The Entrance area you mentioned. I have an Aldi, woollies and Coles just inside my radius but some nearby affected by the same rule won't.

The 5km rule is interesting. I've just read the latest health regulation and it says you can travel anywhere within your own LGA but a 5km from your home rule applies if you want to travel outside your LGA. So I live at Forresters Beach and can keep doing that walk even though I end up nearly 10kms from home at The Entrance because I don't leave my LGA.

I dont think that is right. It is the same as the last 10km rule...unless you have a legitimate reason (from their list..work etc) you can not go more than 5km from home.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Under the new police enforced restrictions people breaching the two-person exercise rule in any way could receive a $3,000 on-the-spot fine from law enforcement personnel.

Exercise has also been reduced from within 10 kilometres of a person’s house to within five kilometres of the house.

“You can do activity within your local government area but instead of 10 kilometres from your home, it will be five kilometres from your home and that's for all of greater Sydney,” the NSW Premier said.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Under the new police enforced restrictions people breaching the two-person exercise rule in any way could receive a $3,000 on-the-spot fine from law enforcement personnel.

Exercise has also been reduced from within 10 kilometres of a person’s house to within five kilometres of the house.

“You can do activity within your local government area but instead of 10 kilometres from your home, it will be five kilometres from your home and that's for all of greater Sydney,” the NSW Premier said.

Yeah, most of the presser was gibberish, but that’s what I thought I heard.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Under the new police enforced restrictions people breaching the two-person exercise rule in any way could receive a $3,000 on-the-spot fine from law enforcement personnel.

Exercise has also been reduced from within 10 kilometres of a person’s house to within five kilometres of the house.

“You can do activity within your local government area but instead of 10 kilometres from your home, it will be five kilometres from your home and that's for all of greater Sydney,” the NSW Premier said.


 

[TrueTiger]

I had to adjust all things today in regard to dinner bookings and staffing....the Police came in at 4.30 and said everyone had to be out of the premises by 5 and at home...I got an exemption because I had the responsibility of securing the premises and locking the money away...while there the Police officer said that atm it will be a 7 day lockdown BUT also said dont be suprised if it becomes 21 /28 day lockdown...only passing on info that could help all of us survive and be slightly ahead of the game ....cheers guys...God bless...

 

[cochise]

I had to adjust all things today in regard to dinner bookings and staffing....the Police came in at 4.30 and said everyone had to be out of the premises by 5 and at home...I got an exemption because I had the responsibility of securing the premises and locking the money away...while there the Police officer said that atm it will be a 7 day lockdown BUT also said dont be suprised if it becomes 21 /28 day lockdown...only passing on info that could help all of us survive and be slightly ahead of the game ....cheers guys...God bless...

I don't see the statewide lockdown ending for a long time.

 

[TrueTiger]

I had to adjust all things today in regard to dinner bookings and staffing....the Police came in at 4.30 and said everyone had to be out of the premises by 5 and at home...I got an exemption because I had the responsibility of securing the premises and locking the money away...while there the Police officer said that atm it will be a 7 day lockdown BUT also said dont be suprised if it becomes 21 /28 day lockdown...only passing on info that could help all of us survive and be slightly ahead of the game ....cheers guys...God bless...

I don't see the statewide lockdown ending for a long time.

Looks like you and I have to put our golf game on hold for awhile....

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[cochise]

I had to adjust all things today in regard to dinner bookings and staffing....the Police came in at 4.30 and said everyone had to be out of the premises by 5 and at home...I got an exemption because I had the responsibility of securing the premises and locking the money away...while there the Police officer said that atm it will be a 7 day lockdown BUT also said dont be suprised if it becomes 21 /28 day lockdown...only passing on info that could help all of us survive and be slightly ahead of the game ....cheers guys...God bless...

I don't see the statewide lockdown ending for a long time.

Looks like you and I have to put our golf game on hold for awhile....

THE INAURGURAL WTS FORUM ...Mod v Member 18 hole classic....
scrounge up some sponsorship for prizes Coshise....

Mate, I was thinking that as I typed the message lol. Hopefully be able to go for a hit in Summer lol

 

[coivtny]

Watching a live report from Coogee with hardly a mask in sight and some wonder why this thing continues to spread to other areas.

But, if these people are outside they're not breaking the rules. It's not in an LGA of concern. Or, have I got it wrong?

More so that I cannot believe that there hasn't been a universal mask mandate.

The let's have a different rule for this side of the street because it is in this LGA and one for the other side that's in the neighbouring one, which in the next week or so will likely have the same rule because it has spread there is ridiculous. As is expecting the population of the former to do more than their neighbour is required to, or at the very least not be angered by such.

Leave your home or vehicle and put a mask on, uniform and simple.

I agree with you with regard to uniformity but I don't support masks being worn everywhere. I hate wearing a mask but wear one wherever it's mandated. I do an 8km power walk every day. I walk around Tuggerah Lake from Long Jetty to The Entrance and return. I do the walk in about 60 minutes which is pretty rapid and is good for my mental and physical health. I probably pass by 30 - 50 people when I walk and give them as wide a berth as possible. I couldn't physically do that walk with a mask on. I've tried and just can't draw in enough oxygen.

A nice walk just south from me, with Long Jetty having the first set of traffic lights that I come across on that drive.

I wouldn't want to wear a mask power walking, but hey, I don't want to do that either. We have a lot of bush or water separating us from the Sydney basin, but within that area they have rules set by arbitrary lines drawn on a map. The virus doesn't recognise council boundaries.

Similarly with the 5km rule, happy to abide by it, but the difference in areas is plain to see, with the basically empty 5km plus just north of The Entrance area you mentioned. I have an Aldi, woollies and Coles just inside my radius but some nearby affected by the same rule won't.

The 5km rule is interesting. I've just read the latest health regulation and it says you can travel anywhere within your own LGA but a 5km from your home rule applies if you want to travel outside your LGA. So I live at Forresters Beach and can keep doing that walk even though I end up nearly 10kms from home at The Entrance because I don't leave my LGA.

I dont think that is right. It is the same as the last 10km rule...unless you have a legitimate reason (from their list..work etc) you can not go more than 5km from home.

This is taken direct from the NSW government website:

exercise and take outdoor recreation within your local government area or up to 10km from your home
(from the start of Monday 16 August 2021, a 5km rule will apply)
Unless my comprehension skills have slipped that's saying you can exercise anywhere within your LGA or up to 5km from your home. That means if you're outside your LGA you must be within 5km of your home. Of course LGAs of concern are not covered by this rule.

 

[voice_of_reason]

People are hopeless.

Sums it up nicely. I went for a walk today and counted 39 people at a playground, a group of 12 playing soccer and 3 more doing bootcamp - all at one park.

Our leaders are more concerned with their reputation and electoral chances than they are admitting they got it wrong.

I'd have a lot more respect for politicians if they owned their mistakes. Just come out and say "we've followed the health advice but it hasn't worked, now we're going to do this' and shut down exercise, other retail etc.

They're now doing what we should have done 7 weeks ago. They fell short on the mask fines though - they should have made them $3000 and started pinging people - it would be amazing how quickly the compliance would fall into line,

 

[voice_of_reason]

Yeah, most of the presser was gibberish, but that’s what I thought I heard.

I'm not trying to lose anyone their right to exercise in their LGA but there's been a lot of discussion about how ambiguous the messaging has been and this is a perfect example.

Whilst I know Canterbury Bankstown is an 'area of concern', if it wasn't I'd be able to exercise about 30km away. In times when distributing clear, easy to understand information is critical, we're failing miserably.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Watching a live report from Coogee with hardly a mask in sight and some wonder why this thing continues to spread to other areas.

But, if these people are outside they're not breaking the rules. It's not in an LGA of concern. Or, have I got it wrong?

More so that I cannot believe that there hasn't been a universal mask mandate.

The let's have a different rule for this side of the street because it is in this LGA and one for the other side that's in the neighbouring one, which in the next week or so will likely have the same rule because it has spread there is ridiculous. As is expecting the population of the former to do more than their neighbour is required to, or at the very least not be angered by such.

Leave your home or vehicle and put a mask on, uniform and simple.

I agree with you with regard to uniformity but I don't support masks being worn everywhere. I hate wearing a mask but wear one wherever it's mandated. I do an 8km power walk every day. I walk around Tuggerah Lake from Long Jetty to The Entrance and return. I do the walk in about 60 minutes which is pretty rapid and is good for my mental and physical health. I probably pass by 30 - 50 people when I walk and give them as wide a berth as possible. I couldn't physically do that walk with a mask on. I've tried and just can't draw in enough oxygen.

A nice walk just south from me, with Long Jetty having the first set of traffic lights that I come across on that drive.

I wouldn't want to wear a mask power walking, but hey, I don't want to do that either. We have a lot of bush or water separating us from the Sydney basin, but within that area they have rules set by arbitrary lines drawn on a map. The virus doesn't recognise council boundaries.

Similarly with the 5km rule, happy to abide by it, but the difference in areas is plain to see, with the basically empty 5km plus just north of The Entrance area you mentioned. I have an Aldi, woollies and Coles just inside my radius but some nearby affected by the same rule won't.

The 5km rule is interesting. I've just read the latest health regulation and it says you can travel anywhere within your own LGA but a 5km from your home rule applies if you want to travel outside your LGA. So I live at Forresters Beach and can keep doing that walk even though I end up nearly 10kms from home at The Entrance because I don't leave my LGA.

I dont think that is right. It is the same as the last 10km rule...unless you have a legitimate reason (from their list..work etc) you can not go more than 5km from home.

This is taken direct from the NSW government website:

exercise and take outdoor recreation within your local government area or up to 10km from your home
(from the start of Monday 16 August 2021, a 5km rule will apply)
Unless my comprehension skills have slipped that's saying you can exercise anywhere within your LGA or up to 5km from your home. That means if you're outside your LGA you must be within 5km of your home. Of course LGAs of concern are not covered by this rule.

I am with you, as it's still ambiguous and needs the words similar to that of the article screenshot that I posted, but I am also pretty sure that 5km is as far as we are allowed to travel.

It should read "or 5km **in any direction** from your home", else I can still drive the 70km odd to exercise at Patonga.

 

[Geo]

It is very ambiguous and shows how policy-on-the-run can create more questions than answers.

We all know the intent of the health order is that nobody can be further than 5km from their home for the purposes of exercise. And, if that means you cross, temporarily, into another LGA, that's ok. I just hope the emboldended Police, who are meant to enforce this rule, understand it. I'm not hopeful.

I think it's more clear if you just take reference to the LGA out of it.

That's the bit we don't get.. My son lives in the Canterbury-Bankstown LGA on the boundary.. His personal trainer is in the a-joining LGA but where they train is within 5k/m of his unit..

Can he go or is he blocked by the invisible wall..?

 

[Tim Sheens]

It is very ambiguous and shows how policy-on-the-run can create more questions than answers.

We all know the intent of the health order is that nobody can be further than 5km from their home for the purposes of exercise. And, if that means you cross, temporarily, into another LGA, that's ok. I just hope the emboldended Police, who are meant to enforce this rule, understand it. I'm not hopeful.

I think it's more clear if you just take reference to the LGA out of it.

Yep, that is what the ridiculousness of everything revolving around an LGA based approach gets you.

Not sure if pride or ideology has caused most of the delay in getting to where we are now, but as @tigger and others may have mentioned, the only known successful playbook for controlling an outbreak of this virus, regardless of strain without welding people inside buildings, was written by officials with demographics so similar and just to the south of us.

They made mistakes as everyone that didn't yet understand the virus back then did and learnt from them. It took NSW 8 bloody weeks with the virus already spread far and wide to swallow some pride and put in place such measures, yet still lacking a full mask mandate.

This only became the National Emergency that Dr Chant said it was nearly a month ago because our state leaders failed to isolate it. **Imagine having a so called Crisis Cabinet and not including the Police Minister!**