Coronavirus Outbreak

[Jedi_Tiger]

so given the protest got the go ahead today... we can expect cinemas and footy and pubs all openin yp for everyone monday ....
No need for covid restrictions anymore now

 

[Snake]

so given the protest got the go ahead today... we can expect cinemas and footy and pubs all openin yp for everyone monday ....
No need for covid restrictions anymore now

Thats right now for the REAL protest !

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

exactly snake let people back to normality and back to work

 

[Snake]

If you were having a funeral next week does anyone think after what has transpired today that anybody that wants to attend will not ... if you want to see REAL emotion try stopping them ! It’s on !!!

 

[innsaneink]

World's gone bonkers... Hypocrisy everywhere... But I'm just a silly old fart

 

[innsaneink]

It's OK for thousands to congregate and risk spreading the virus to everyone... Because black.lives matter but elderly & immuno compromised lives don't it seems.
Pfft.. Weak as pee

 

[Cairnstigers]

I don't mean you Cochise, or you TrueTiger, but imo some people just like to argue and get all worked up.

'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters' should be on the same side, they are not opposing views. Different ways of saying the same thing, with the same sentiment, even against the same thing.

I find it ironic, people advocating for equality and open-mindedness, less bigotry and discrimination, yet then oppose people who are saying the same thing but are expressing themselves differently. They're wasting energy on the wrong people, but hey who knows, maybe they have excess energy.

The issue is "every life matters" is used to basically accuse those people fighting for equity for African Americans as trying to make out that Black lives are more important, that is not what black lives matters means.


Serious question, Do you mean equity or equality?

I mean equity, I believe in equity not equality

Genuinely interested in how that works. Equity for all regardless of merit and ability? We all get the same wage?

No equity is everyone getting what they need to succeed. 

Looking at that picture made me think
If you want to succeed at something you have to work for it
You shouldn't expect it to be handed to you on a platter
The main thing is thought that everyone should be given an equal and the same opportunity to succeed, and that is where much of the problem lays IMO
Whether you take that opportunity and do something with it, that is up to you as an individual
Myself personally I don't care if you are Male Female Big Small European Asian Black or White Gay or Strate, if you are a good person you are a good person
If you are bad you are bad
Race colour sex age gender should have absolutely nothing to do with it
Unfortunately to many people in this world a judgmental
What the policeman and his fellow officers did in the USA is disgraceful IMO
Although I don't know all the facts, the man who died was handcuffed. What did the officers think he was going to do
4 armed police against 1 handcuffed person on the ground, whether he is Black White Male Female Asian European Muslim or anything else you want to add, It is just wrong

Why as a society do we have a situation, where a group of people have a higher chance of living in poverty, why are indigenous people over represented in our jails?

I would suspect that low socio economic living people would make up a large portion of those incarcerated
That wouldn't discriminate between Black or white skin
I also suspect if many of these people, Black or White where working, they wouldn't be incarcerated in the 1st place
What is the percentage of Black and White people out of work, and how does that relate to those who are incarcerated

Why is the percentage of indigenous people who are out of work higher? Why is the percentage of indigenous people living in poverty higher?

I don't have all the answers
But I will tell you this
As the owner of a small business, I had employed 4 Aboriginal and Islander people over a 9 year period
All 4 were in their mid 20's and had issues with drinking
I was only in my 20's at the time as well and I liked to go out a lot
And I drank alot to
But I could handle the grog
And I always made sure I could go to work the next day
I am 52 years old now and I can count on 2 hands the amount of sick days I have had off in my life
We all have choices to make and it is those choices that determine how we live our lives
My business partner of 16 years and two businesses had dark skin
My wife is related to 4 aboriginal girls who have all represented their state and country in various sports
One of those girls, young women is the only Indigenous women to play in the national netball competition for the Firebirds
I am sure you can work out out that women is
All 4 of these young women are beautiful young women
They have all been brought up well and carry themselves well
My wife is very proud of them as am I
I have friends of many races and colour
I see everyone with the same eyes
So as I said we all make choices and need to live by them
We all come under the same laws and any punishments should be dealt with in the same manner regardless of race or colour
In that is the real question you should be asking

Is the law treating us all the same
Are the punishments the same

 

[Tim Sheens]

Ask yourself a simple question and very importantly, answer it honestly.

When you see an aboriginal person, particularly a darker and younger one, do you pay them more attention, whatever those thoughts may be, than the others, even those that don't look like you that are around you?

On the virus front, the world and US will almost certainly pass seven and two million cases respectively tomorrow, having passed 400,000 deaths today. Would be good to know the true numbers on all of the statistics, but can only imagine how terrible it would have been without taking measures to restrict it's destruction.

 

[diedpretty]

World's gone bonkers... Hypocrisy everywhere... But I'm just a silly old fart

This whole Covid 19 social distancing farce is way over the top. I got told by a pimply faced 18 yr old guy on a checkout that i wasn't standing on the social distancing spot. I was at least 2 mtrs from him - he however was standing right next to the checkout chick at the next counter. This is what happens when you invoke fear in a society - stupidity reigns supreme.

 

[happy_tiger]

World's gone bonkers... Hypocrisy everywhere... But I'm just a silly old fart

This whole Covid 19 social distancing farce is way over the top. I got told by a pimply faced 18 yr old guy on a checkout that i wasn't standing on the social distancing spot. I was at least 2 mtrs from him - he however was standing right next to the checkout chick at the next counter. This is what happens when you invoke fear in a society - stupidity reigns supreme.

Not sure about your neck of the woods , but they are doing a blitz up here on social distancing at retail businesses this weekend ......

 

[NT_Tiger]

I don't mean you Cochise, or you TrueTiger, but imo some people just like to argue and get all worked up.

'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters' should be on the same side, they are not opposing views. Different ways of saying the same thing, with the same sentiment, even against the same thing.

I find it ironic, people advocating for equality and open-mindedness, less bigotry and discrimination, yet then oppose people who are saying the same thing but are expressing themselves differently. They're wasting energy on the wrong people, but hey who knows, maybe they have excess energy.

The issue is "every life matters" is used to basically accuse those people fighting for equity for African Americans as trying to make out that Black lives are more important, that is not what black lives matters means.


Serious question, Do you mean equity or equality?

I mean equity, I believe in equity not equality

Genuinely interested in how that works. Equity for all regardless of merit and ability? We all get the same wage?

No equity is everyone getting what they need to succeed. 

Looking at that picture made me think
If you want to succeed at something you have to work for it
You shouldn't expect it to be handed to you on a platter
The main thing is thought that everyone should be given an equal and the same opportunity to succeed, and that is where much of the problem lays IMO
Whether you take that opportunity and do something with it, that is up to you as an individual
Myself personally I don't care if you are Male Female Big Small European Asian Black or White Gay or Strate, if you are a good person you are a good person
If you are bad you are bad
Race colour sex age gender should have absolutely nothing to do with it
Unfortunately to many people in this world a judgmental
What the policeman and his fellow officers did in the USA is disgraceful IMO
Although I don't know all the facts, the man who died was handcuffed. What did the officers think he was going to do
4 armed police against 1 handcuffed person on the ground, whether he is Black White Male Female Asian European Muslim or anything else you want to add, It is just wrong

Why as a society do we have a situation, where a group of people have a higher chance of living in poverty, why are indigenous people over represented in our jails?

I would suspect that low socio economic living people would make up a large portion of those incarcerated
That wouldn't discriminate between Black or white skin
I also suspect if many of these people, Black or White where working, they wouldn't be incarcerated in the 1st place
What is the percentage of Black and White people out of work, and how does that relate to those who are incarcerated

Why is the percentage of indigenous people who are out of work higher? Why is the percentage of indigenous people living in poverty higher?

I don't have all the answers
But I will tell you this
As the owner of a small business, I had employed 4 Aboriginal and Islander people over a 9 year period
All 4 were in their mid 20's and had issues with drinking
I was only in my 20's at the time as well and I liked to go out a lot
And I drank alot to
But I could handle the grog
And I always made sure I could go to work the next day
I am 52 years old now and I can count on 2 hands the amount of sick days I have had off in my life
We all have choices to make and it is those choices that determine how we live our lives
My business partner of 16 years and two businesses had dark skin
My wife is related to 4 aboriginal girls who have all represented their state and country in various sports
One of those girls, young women is the only Indigenous women to play in the national netball competition for the Firebirds
I am sure you can work out out that women is
All 4 of these young women are beautiful young women
They have all been brought up well and carry themselves well
My wife is very proud of them as am I
I have friends of many races and colour
I see everyone with the same eyes
So as I said we all make choices and need to live by them
We all come under the same laws and any punishments should be dealt with in the same manner regardless of race or colour
In that is the real question you should be asking

Is the law treating us all the same
Are the punishments the same

I note this response and will add my two cents to your earlier response. For most of my career I worked with indigenous people. For many years, in my organisation, I had the best record for Aboriginal employment. I used several different contract structures that were custom fit to each individual. This took a lot of organisation and it still came unstuck from time to time.
The biggest stumbling block for successful employment was the gulf between whitefulla rules and Aboriginal cultural rules. The answers are incredibly complex because you are dealing with two genuinely different cultures, with completely different views on what are the inherent value priorities. To 'get it' you have to know intricacies of Aboriginal religion and the kinship system. Until you get it, you will be continually baffled about why things don't work. Throwing money at it won't fix it.
I'm speaking from the perspective of myself having worked with people in the NT that are first and second generation english readers and speakers. I don't truly understand how things work, say in NSW or QLD, that have been exposed a lot longer to non Aboriginal ways, but I believe that the core of the issues stem from what I have outlined.
I don't have any answers.

 

[cochise]

I don't mean you Cochise, or you TrueTiger, but imo some people just like to argue and get all worked up.

'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters' should be on the same side, they are not opposing views. Different ways of saying the same thing, with the same sentiment, even against the same thing.

I find it ironic, people advocating for equality and open-mindedness, less bigotry and discrimination, yet then oppose people who are saying the same thing but are expressing themselves differently. They're wasting energy on the wrong people, but hey who knows, maybe they have excess energy.

The issue is "every life matters" is used to basically accuse those people fighting for equity for African Americans as trying to make out that Black lives are more important, that is not what black lives matters means.


Serious question, Do you mean equity or equality?

I mean equity, I believe in equity not equality

Genuinely interested in how that works. Equity for all regardless of merit and ability? We all get the same wage?

No equity is everyone getting what they need to succeed. 

Looking at that picture made me think
If you want to succeed at something you have to work for it
You shouldn't expect it to be handed to you on a platter
The main thing is thought that everyone should be given an equal and the same opportunity to succeed, and that is where much of the problem lays IMO
Whether you take that opportunity and do something with it, that is up to you as an individual
Myself personally I don't care if you are Male Female Big Small European Asian Black or White Gay or Strate, if you are a good person you are a good person
If you are bad you are bad
Race colour sex age gender should have absolutely nothing to do with it
Unfortunately to many people in this world a judgmental
What the policeman and his fellow officers did in the USA is disgraceful IMO
Although I don't know all the facts, the man who died was handcuffed. What did the officers think he was going to do
4 armed police against 1 handcuffed person on the ground, whether he is Black White Male Female Asian European Muslim or anything else you want to add, It is just wrong

Why as a society do we have a situation, where a group of people have a higher chance of living in poverty, why are indigenous people over represented in our jails?

I would suspect that low socio economic living people would make up a large portion of those incarcerated
That wouldn't discriminate between Black or white skin
I also suspect if many of these people, Black or White where working, they wouldn't be incarcerated in the 1st place
What is the percentage of Black and White people out of work, and how does that relate to those who are incarcerated

Why is the percentage of indigenous people who are out of work higher? Why is the percentage of indigenous people living in poverty higher?

I don't have all the answers
But I will tell you this
As the owner of a small business, I had employed 4 Aboriginal and Islander people over a 9 year period
All 4 were in their mid 20's and had issues with drinking
I was only in my 20's at the time as well and I liked to go out a lot
And I drank alot to
But I could handle the grog
And I always made sure I could go to work the next day
I am 52 years old now and I can count on 2 hands the amount of sick days I have had off in my life
We all have choices to make and it is those choices that determine how we live our lives
My business partner of 16 years and two businesses had dark skin
My wife is related to 4 aboriginal girls who have all represented their state and country in various sports
One of those girls, young women is the only Indigenous women to play in the national netball competition for the Firebirds
I am sure you can work out out that women is
All 4 of these young women are beautiful young women
They have all been brought up well and carry themselves well
My wife is very proud of them as am I
I have friends of many races and colour
I see everyone with the same eyes
So as I said we all make choices and need to live by them
We all come under the same laws and any punishments should be dealt with in the same manner regardless of race or colour
In that is the real question you should be asking

Is the law treating us all the same
Are the punishments the same

So why is that indigenous people are breaking these laws or societal norms on a higher percentage than the rest of society?

 

[Geo]

This discussion really needs it’s own thread... by all means start one if you wish... leave this for covid 19...

 

[happy_tiger]

I don't mean you Cochise, or you TrueTiger, but imo some people just like to argue and get all worked up.

'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters' should be on the same side, they are not opposing views. Different ways of saying the same thing, with the same sentiment, even against the same thing.

I find it ironic, people advocating for equality and open-mindedness, less bigotry and discrimination, yet then oppose people who are saying the same thing but are expressing themselves differently. They're wasting energy on the wrong people, but hey who knows, maybe they have excess energy.

The issue is "every life matters" is used to basically accuse those people fighting for equity for African Americans as trying to make out that Black lives are more important, that is not what black lives matters means.


Serious question, Do you mean equity or equality?

I mean equity, I believe in equity not equality

Genuinely interested in how that works. Equity for all regardless of merit and ability? We all get the same wage?

No equity is everyone getting what they need to succeed. 

Looking at that picture made me think
If you want to succeed at something you have to work for it
You shouldn't expect it to be handed to you on a platter
The main thing is thought that everyone should be given an equal and the same opportunity to succeed, and that is where much of the problem lays IMO
Whether you take that opportunity and do something with it, that is up to you as an individual
Myself personally I don't care if you are Male Female Big Small European Asian Black or White Gay or Strate, if you are a good person you are a good person
If you are bad you are bad
Race colour sex age gender should have absolutely nothing to do with it
Unfortunately to many people in this world a judgmental
What the policeman and his fellow officers did in the USA is disgraceful IMO
Although I don't know all the facts, the man who died was handcuffed. What did the officers think he was going to do
4 armed police against 1 handcuffed person on the ground, whether he is Black White Male Female Asian European Muslim or anything else you want to add, It is just wrong

Why as a society do we have a situation, where a group of people have a higher chance of living in poverty, why are indigenous people over represented in our jails?

I would suspect that low socio economic living people would make up a large portion of those incarcerated
That wouldn't discriminate between Black or white skin
I also suspect if many of these people, Black or White where working, they wouldn't be incarcerated in the 1st place
What is the percentage of Black and White people out of work, and how does that relate to those who are incarcerated

Why is the percentage of indigenous people who are out of work higher? Why is the percentage of indigenous people living in poverty higher?

I don't have all the answers
But I will tell you this
As the owner of a small business, I had employed 4 Aboriginal and Islander people over a 9 year period
All 4 were in their mid 20's and had issues with drinking
I was only in my 20's at the time as well and I liked to go out a lot
And I drank alot to
But I could handle the grog
And I always made sure I could go to work the next day
I am 52 years old now and I can count on 2 hands the amount of sick days I have had off in my life
We all have choices to make and it is those choices that determine how we live our lives
My business partner of 16 years and two businesses had dark skin
My wife is related to 4 aboriginal girls who have all represented their state and country in various sports
One of those girls, young women is the only Indigenous women to play in the national netball competition for the Firebirds
I am sure you can work out out that women is
All 4 of these young women are beautiful young women
They have all been brought up well and carry themselves well
My wife is very proud of them as am I
I have friends of many races and colour
I see everyone with the same eyes
So as I said we all make choices and need to live by them
We all come under the same laws and any punishments should be dealt with in the same manner regardless of race or colour
In that is the real question you should be asking

Is the law treating us all the same
Are the punishments the same

So why is that indigenous people are breaking these laws or societal norms on a higher percentage than the rest of society?

That question can never be answered 100 % correctly either way without all the evidence every time

Unfortunately we have racists amongst us ...and some will be in positions of power

Unfortunately I think it will be that way as long as humanity survives

 

[Geo]

Never mind

 

[cochise]

Never mind

Sorry mate

 

[Cairnstigers]

I don't mean you Cochise, or you TrueTiger, but imo some people just like to argue and get all worked up.

'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters' should be on the same side, they are not opposing views. Different ways of saying the same thing, with the same sentiment, even against the same thing.

I find it ironic, people advocating for equality and open-mindedness, less bigotry and discrimination, yet then oppose people who are saying the same thing but are expressing themselves differently. They're wasting energy on the wrong people, but hey who knows, maybe they have excess energy.

The issue is "every life matters" is used to basically accuse those people fighting for equity for African Americans as trying to make out that Black lives are more important, that is not what black lives matters means.


Serious question, Do you mean equity or equality?

I mean equity, I believe in equity not equality

Genuinely interested in how that works. Equity for all regardless of merit and ability? We all get the same wage?

No equity is everyone getting what they need to succeed. 

Looking at that picture made me think
If you want to succeed at something you have to work for it
You shouldn't expect it to be handed to you on a platter
The main thing is thought that everyone should be given an equal and the same opportunity to succeed, and that is where much of the problem lays IMO
Whether you take that opportunity and do something with it, that is up to you as an individual
Myself personally I don't care if you are Male Female Big Small European Asian Black or White Gay or Strate, if you are a good person you are a good person
If you are bad you are bad
Race colour sex age gender should have absolutely nothing to do with it
Unfortunately to many people in this world a judgmental
What the policeman and his fellow officers did in the USA is disgraceful IMO
Although I don't know all the facts, the man who died was handcuffed. What did the officers think he was going to do
4 armed police against 1 handcuffed person on the ground, whether he is Black White Male Female Asian European Muslim or anything else you want to add, It is just wrong

Why as a society do we have a situation, where a group of people have a higher chance of living in poverty, why are indigenous people over represented in our jails?

I would suspect that low socio economic living people would make up a large portion of those incarcerated
That wouldn't discriminate between Black or white skin
I also suspect if many of these people, Black or White where working, they wouldn't be incarcerated in the 1st place
What is the percentage of Black and White people out of work, and how does that relate to those who are incarcerated

Why is the percentage of indigenous people who are out of work higher? Why is the percentage of indigenous people living in poverty higher?

I don't have all the answers
But I will tell you this
As the owner of a small business, I had employed 4 Aboriginal and Islander people over a 9 year period
All 4 were in their mid 20's and had issues with drinking
I was only in my 20's at the time as well and I liked to go out a lot
And I drank alot to
But I could handle the grog
And I always made sure I could go to work the next day
I am 52 years old now and I can count on 2 hands the amount of sick days I have had off in my life
We all have choices to make and it is those choices that determine how we live our lives
My business partner of 16 years and two businesses had dark skin
My wife is related to 4 aboriginal girls who have all represented their state and country in various sports
One of those girls, young women is the only Indigenous women to play in the national netball competition for the Firebirds
I am sure you can work out out that women is
All 4 of these young women are beautiful young women
They have all been brought up well and carry themselves well
My wife is very proud of them as am I
I have friends of many races and colour
I see everyone with the same eyes
So as I said we all make choices and need to live by them
We all come under the same laws and any punishments should be dealt with in the same manner regardless of race or colour
In that is the real question you should be asking

Is the law treating us all the same
Are the punishments the same

So why is that indigenous people are breaking these laws or societal norms on a higher percentage than the rest of society?

Maybe because they don't believe in the white mans law ?
Maybe you need to ask that question to those of whom we speak
Do the aboriginal elders have the answer to your questions
We all know what is acceptable in society and what is not
Why is it that many blend into society but others don't

We are all offered schooling
As an individual I never use to study much at home and struggled at school in my early days
But I somehow kept out of trouble and finished school
We all get to choose our own path
That same decision needs to be made by all of us

I have no doubt there are racist people out there from all walks of life and we all need to learn to live with each other
There are good and bad people from all walks of life
This Virus has shown that with inocent chinese people being victimized by so called Australians
What gets me is that all white people's heritage in this country came from over seas and this started in January 1788
Aboriginal people have been here for over 40,000 years
So as far as racism goes, what right does the white Australian have to criticize Asian, European, Indian or any other race of people coming here to live
That is exactly what we white Australian people did 232 years ago
Its not really that ago

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I don't mean you Cochise, or you TrueTiger, but imo some people just like to argue and get all worked up.

'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters' should be on the same side, they are not opposing views. Different ways of saying the same thing, with the same sentiment, even against the same thing.

I find it ironic, people advocating for equality and open-mindedness, less bigotry and discrimination, yet then oppose people who are saying the same thing but are expressing themselves differently. They're wasting energy on the wrong people, but hey who knows, maybe they have excess energy.

The issue is "every life matters" is used to basically accuse those people fighting for equity for African Americans as trying to make out that Black lives are more important, that is not what black lives matters means.


Serious question, Do you mean equity or equality?

I mean equity, I believe in equity not equality

Genuinely interested in how that works. Equity for all regardless of merit and ability? We all get the same wage?

No equity is everyone getting what they need to succeed. 

Looking at that picture made me think
If you want to succeed at something you have to work for it
You shouldn't expect it to be handed to you on a platter
The main thing is thought that everyone should be given an equal and the same opportunity to succeed, and that is where much of the problem lays IMO
Whether you take that opportunity and do something with it, that is up to you as an individual
Myself personally I don't care if you are Male Female Big Small European Asian Black or White Gay or Strate, if you are a good person you are a good person
If you are bad you are bad
Race colour sex age gender should have absolutely nothing to do with it
Unfortunately to many people in this world a judgmental
What the policeman and his fellow officers did in the USA is disgraceful IMO
Although I don't know all the facts, the man who died was handcuffed. What did the officers think he was going to do
4 armed police against 1 handcuffed person on the ground, whether he is Black White Male Female Asian European Muslim or anything else you want to add, It is just wrong

Why as a society do we have a situation, where a group of people have a higher chance of living in poverty, why are indigenous people over represented in our jails?

I would suspect that low socio economic living people would make up a large portion of those incarcerated
That wouldn't discriminate between Black or white skin
I also suspect if many of these people, Black or White where working, they wouldn't be incarcerated in the 1st place
What is the percentage of Black and White people out of work, and how does that relate to those who are incarcerated

Why is the percentage of indigenous people who are out of work higher? Why is the percentage of indigenous people living in poverty higher?

I don't have all the answers
But I will tell you this
As the owner of a small business, I had employed 4 Aboriginal and Islander people over a 9 year period
All 4 were in their mid 20's and had issues with drinking
I was only in my 20's at the time as well and I liked to go out a lot
And I drank alot to
But I could handle the grog
And I always made sure I could go to work the next day
I am 52 years old now and I can count on 2 hands the amount of sick days I have had off in my life
We all have choices to make and it is those choices that determine how we live our lives
My business partner of 16 years and two businesses had dark skin
My wife is related to 4 aboriginal girls who have all represented their state and country in various sports
One of those girls, young women is the only Indigenous women to play in the national netball competition for the Firebirds
I am sure you can work out out that women is
All 4 of these young women are beautiful young women
They have all been brought up well and carry themselves well
My wife is very proud of them as am I
I have friends of many races and colour
I see everyone with the same eyes
So as I said we all make choices and need to live by them
We all come under the same laws and any punishments should be dealt with in the same manner regardless of race or colour
In that is the real question you should be asking

Is the law treating us all the same
Are the punishments the same

So why is that indigenous people are breaking these laws or societal norms on a higher percentage than the rest of society?

Maybe because they don't believe in the white mans law ?
Maybe you need to ask that question to those of whom we speak
Do the aboriginal elders have the answer to your questions
We all know what is acceptable in society and what is not
Why is it that many blend into society but others don't

We are all offered schooling
As an individual I never use to study much at home and struggled at school in my early days
But I somehow kept out of trouble and finished school
We all get to choose our own path
That same decision needs to be made by all of us

I have no doubt there are racist people out there from all walks of life and we all need to learn to live with each other
There are good and bad people from all walks of life
This Virus has shown that with inocent chinese people being victimized by so called Australians
What gets me is that all white people's heritage in this country came from over seas and this started in January 1788
Aboriginal people have been here for over 40,000 years
So as far as racism goes, what right does the white Australian have to criticize Asian, European, Indian or any other race of people coming here to live
That is exactly what we white Australian people did 232 years ago
Its not really that ago

At the end of the day , whatever we change now won’t have an effect for years to come . Probably generations to come.
To empower a whole generation to feel they arnt worthless and that their actions are what will make them in this world , not the colour of their skin . It’s only then , that we can break the cycle of abuse , that’s in the indigenous conmunity. The racism also is going to take a generation to get rid of. We have to teach our children to be better than us. We are all guilty of it . I definitely am . I put my hand straight up. Even though it’s not overt.

 

[cochise]

I don't mean you Cochise, or you TrueTiger, but imo some people just like to argue and get all worked up.

'Black Lives Matter' and 'Every Life Matters' should be on the same side, they are not opposing views. Different ways of saying the same thing, with the same sentiment, even against the same thing.

I find it ironic, people advocating for equality and open-mindedness, less bigotry and discrimination, yet then oppose people who are saying the same thing but are expressing themselves differently. They're wasting energy on the wrong people, but hey who knows, maybe they have excess energy.

The issue is "every life matters" is used to basically accuse those people fighting for equity for African Americans as trying to make out that Black lives are more important, that is not what black lives matters means.


Serious question, Do you mean equity or equality?

I mean equity, I believe in equity not equality

Genuinely interested in how that works. Equity for all regardless of merit and ability? We all get the same wage?

No equity is everyone getting what they need to succeed. 

Looking at that picture made me think
If you want to succeed at something you have to work for it
You shouldn't expect it to be handed to you on a platter
The main thing is thought that everyone should be given an equal and the same opportunity to succeed, and that is where much of the problem lays IMO
Whether you take that opportunity and do something with it, that is up to you as an individual
Myself personally I don't care if you are Male Female Big Small European Asian Black or White Gay or Strate, if you are a good person you are a good person
If you are bad you are bad
Race colour sex age gender should have absolutely nothing to do with it
Unfortunately to many people in this world a judgmental
What the policeman and his fellow officers did in the USA is disgraceful IMO
Although I don't know all the facts, the man who died was handcuffed. What did the officers think he was going to do
4 armed police against 1 handcuffed person on the ground, whether he is Black White Male Female Asian European Muslim or anything else you want to add, It is just wrong

Why as a society do we have a situation, where a group of people have a higher chance of living in poverty, why are indigenous people over represented in our jails?

I would suspect that low socio economic living people would make up a large portion of those incarcerated
That wouldn't discriminate between Black or white skin
I also suspect if many of these people, Black or White where working, they wouldn't be incarcerated in the 1st place
What is the percentage of Black and White people out of work, and how does that relate to those who are incarcerated

Why is the percentage of indigenous people who are out of work higher? Why is the percentage of indigenous people living in poverty higher?

I don't have all the answers
But I will tell you this
As the owner of a small business, I had employed 4 Aboriginal and Islander people over a 9 year period
All 4 were in their mid 20's and had issues with drinking
I was only in my 20's at the time as well and I liked to go out a lot
And I drank alot to
But I could handle the grog
And I always made sure I could go to work the next day
I am 52 years old now and I can count on 2 hands the amount of sick days I have had off in my life
We all have choices to make and it is those choices that determine how we live our lives
My business partner of 16 years and two businesses had dark skin
My wife is related to 4 aboriginal girls who have all represented their state and country in various sports
One of those girls, young women is the only Indigenous women to play in the national netball competition for the Firebirds
I am sure you can work out out that women is
All 4 of these young women are beautiful young women
They have all been brought up well and carry themselves well
My wife is very proud of them as am I
I have friends of many races and colour
I see everyone with the same eyes
So as I said we all make choices and need to live by them
We all come under the same laws and any punishments should be dealt with in the same manner regardless of race or colour
In that is the real question you should be asking

Is the law treating us all the same
Are the punishments the same

So why is that indigenous people are breaking these laws or societal norms on a higher percentage than the rest of society?

Maybe because they don't believe in the white mans law ?
Maybe you need to ask that question to those of whom we speak
Do the aboriginal elders have the answer to your questions
We all know what is acceptable in society and what is not
Why is it that many blend into society but others don't

We are all offered schooling
As an individual I never use to study much at home and struggled at school in my early days
But I somehow kept out of trouble and finished school
We all get to choose our own path
That same decision needs to be made by all of us

I have no doubt there are racist people out there from all walks of life and we all need to learn to live with each other
There are good and bad people from all walks of life
This Virus has shown that with inocent chinese people being victimized by so called Australians
What gets me is that all white people's heritage in this country came from over seas and this started in January 1788
Aboriginal people have been here for over 40,000 years
So as far as racism goes, what right does the white Australian have to criticize Asian, European, Indian or any other race of people coming here to live
That is exactly what we white Australian people did 232 years ago
Its not really that ago

And what happened to the 40000 years of history and culture?

 

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Ok back on topic or I'll close the thread.