Could Israel Folou ignite our Backline

[jadtiger]

He would be a pr disaster and no better on the field either.Has not played league for 8 years and is getting on in life(football wise).Avoid like the plague

 

[Harvey]

How many Sunday games do we have this year?

Does Israel play on Sundays?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Wow. NRL will not register him. Discussion over.


Yes they will. Ever heard of free speech?

Some of the crap that is written on this forum drives me crazy. But people can say pretty much what they like, which is a good thing.

If you don’t like it, don’t read it or just ignore it. Your choice.

Just because you don’t agree with someone’s point of view, doesn’t give you the right to stop them from expressing those views.

It’s a yes from me.

Talking out of your arse again Col, colour me surprised. I've heard of free speech which is enshrined in the US Constitution. Australia doesn't have free speech in the same capacity.

No one is saying the bloke can't espouse his views, not even I would stand in the way of that, however the games authority should be able to make a decision on whether they would want such a divisive figure in the game.

What Israel does not understand is when you freely express yourself in a public forum you offer right of reply, whether that be a Twitter response from people deriding your opinions, or a potential employer deciding that your values don't match theirs.

The issue I have with it all is that the NRL has made a rod for their own backs by repeatedly allowing wife beaters back into the game while they try to run a female friendly angle on the game. A bit hard to knock a bloke back for homophobia saying it doesn't represent your values when you market your game as welcoming of females while you continually allow sex pests and wife beaters back into the game.

 

[NT_Tiger]

There is free speech, and then there is accepting responsibility.
You can say whatever you want but you have to accept responsibility for the effect your words have on others. The higher your public profile the more likely your words will have an effect on a greater number of people. That is when maturity and personal judgement come into play. Or not.

 

[supercoach]

The NRL have said they will not register him. Surely Big Izzy would win a court case based on this ARU ruling, because basically he has not done anything wrong. Okay like most others I do not support his views but I can’t stop him or anyone else from expressing their views on social media.

I would have no problems with Izzy playing for us or any other NRL club, we allow players to be registered who have done some terrible things..so why not Izzy

 

[avocadoontoast]

Okay like most others I do not support his views but I can’t stop him or anyone else from expressing their views on social media.

Can't stop him, you're right. But you can fire him if it violates his employment contract. Could you go on social media and say the things he did and not expect repercussions at work?

 

[supercoach]

Okay like most others I do not support his views but I can’t stop him or anyone else from expressing their views on social media.

Can't stop him, you're right. But you can fire him if it violates his employment contract. Could you go on social media and say the things he did and not expect repercussions at work?

For sure..if he came out and bagged the club or one it’s partners for sure he has a problem...but to come out and make a statement like all gays are going to hell...big deal..all it does is make him look foolish for making such a crazy statement. I think we as a society are way to tied up in being politically correct these day. Half the problem is the media actually give people like Izzy a stage to tell their story on.

 

[Masterton]

The NRL have said they will not register him. Surely Big Izzy would win a court case based on this ARU ruling, because basically he has not done anything wrong

That wasn't a ruling, it was a settlement. Whether that's because they thought they might lose the court case, or they just want the issue to go away, who knows.

The NRL can't discriminate on religious grounds, but has the right to not employ someone who will cause the game to lose money. You don't have to do "anything wrong". Ask Todd Carney.

 

[4jtigers]

But you can fire him if it violates his employment contract.

how would you write his contract without infringing in his right to free speech? I mean all he did was quote a bible passage and not single out anybody, this will be in a too hard basket for mine... no NRL club would want to sign him I think because of it

but anyway, going back to the topic - am sure he can ignite our backline but at what price? he is all about money now - not sure if he will carry any pride or heart in playing for any NRL team

 

[balmain boy]

I'm amazed this is still being discussed.

Folau will never work in Australia again. Unless it's in a religious capacity.

He's toxic for any brand/organisation

 

[avocadoontoast]

how would you write his contract without infringing in his right to free speech?

Because in Australia we don’t have a right to free speech. We actually have no bill of rights at all. America does.

 

[oldprop]

I really hope not. Way too much trouble.

 

[4jtigers]

how would you write his contract without infringing in his right to free speech?

Because in Australia we don’t have a right to free speech. We actually have no bill of rights at all. America does.

thanks avo for the correction - apologies - but again the question remains - how would you write it?

 

[avocadoontoast]

thanks avo for the correction - apologies - but again the question remains - how would you write it?

I’m not exactly sure, but in many employment contracts there are stipulations around how you conduct yourself, including on social media.

 

[Strider]

If we signed Israel I would stop watching NRL till he leaves. Thankfully I don't think our club would want to and hopefully the NRL won't register him. 🙂

 

[Strider]

Also I have social media rules in my work contract. Like if I post bigoted stuff, I could lose my job, if I am somehow linked to my company. It's not uncommon. It's not just a sports thing.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Also I have social media rules in my work contract. Like if I post bigoted stuff, I could lose my job, if I am somehow linked to my company. It's not uncommon. It's not just a sports thing.

Spot on. I work in recruitment and i'd say the vast majority of employment contracts I see have a social media clause in.

 

[Snake]

how would you write his contract without infringing in his right to free speech?

Because in Australia we don’t have a right to free speech. We actually have no bill of rights at all. America does.

That is right there is no free speech in this country any one that thinks there is are dreaming .
The thousands that died in wars were in vain trying to protect the freedoms of speech and democracy that they believed in !
The country is being run by leftist media that practices trial by media at every opportunity, small minority groups , CEOs of large corporations that run there own agendas with the threat of withdrawal of sponsorship, modern free speech is only ok when it does not offend well that is not free speech that is suppression of speech !
I practice Free speech and no one will tell me any different no one ....
Folau has the right to say what he wants ugly as it might be ...that right was given to us by the tens of thousands of graves of our for fathers in distant countries sometimes we DO FORGET !

 

[tigerap]

He could....will he be allowed....>No!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

how would you write his contract without infringing in his right to free speech?

Because in Australia we don’t have a right to free speech. We actually have no bill of rights at all. America does.

That is right there is no free speech in this country any one that thinks there is are dreaming .
The thousands that died in wars were in vain trying to protect the freedoms of speech and democracy that they believed in !
The country is being run by leftist media that practices trial by media at every opportunity, small minority groups , CEOs of large corporations that run there own agendas with the threat of withdrawal of sponsorship, modern free speech is only ok when it does not offend well that is not free speech that is suppression of speech !
I practice Free speech and no one will tell me any different no one ....
Folau has the right to say what he wants ugly as it might be ...that right was given to us by the tens of thousands of graves of our for fathers in distant countries sometimes we DO FORGET !

So Folau can sprout his opinion, but those cannot express theirs because it is contrary?