Curtis Sironen released [Official p.40]

[stevetiger]

I've read some extremely hyperbolic things about Taylor the last 12 months, but him being blamed for Siro's form almost tops it all. He was no different under Potter to what he's been under Taylor. Lazy and entitled. Its good to see the majority have woken up to him. If he wants to come back into the 17, its up to him to put the effort in and earn his place. Lovett cops it deluxe on here, but what he lacks in natural talent he makes up for in heart. Its the reverse for Siro. Doesn't show enough ticker to be successful.

There is a lot here.

1\. Taylor hasn't copped it anywhere near what he should have in my opinion. He has had an easy run. There appears to be a bunch of supporters who support anything that he does.
2\. Taylor definitely isn't to blame for Siro's form. That is all on Curtis. This goes for other players as well. Moses coming on last year wasn't due to Taylor.
3\. I don't think Siro was that bad. I think he cops it because everyone wants him to be his dad. Aloiai took over from Siro and also had pretty mediocre stats. I think Aloiai has slightly better hit-ups but his defence wasn't as good as Curtis.
4\. I don't believe any of the stuff regarding he won't put in the effort and he doesn't have enough ticker. I think he lacks explosive pace and most top line backrowers have that explosiveness.

I'd like to see Curtis retained and groomed for a top grade spot. I think he could turn into a quality first grader. I don't think he has been treated poorly or anything like that though. Some players just aren't straight up stars. Some develop into high quality first graders and some don't. Siro hasn't as yet developed into a quality first grader so I can understand the club letting him go.

 

[happy_tiger]

Potter let him play entirely differently to the way Taylor wanted him to play - and Taylor is Stringer's boss and told how to play him in reggies.
He's been coached to forget the things that made him different (and stand out) and play like a robot by Taylor.
And people wonder why he has a hard time getting his heart into it.
As long as Taylor remains he'd be better at a club that would let him play to his strengths and help him develop them.

What nonsense.

His job is to put his heart into his football every time he takes the field, under the instructions he's been given. If he can't do that, I don't want him at the club.

I don't complain when my boss assigns me difficult or annoying work - it's my job. Either I do it, or I stop complaining and find another line of work.

I'm just **wondering what these things that Sirro could do that made him "different and to stand out " are** CK ??

Nothing good that's for sure

Well he obviously had something to get him through to first grade - remembering he was graded as a back.
I'm the first to agree he seems lazy and could put more into it, but I have also seen him be the only bloke we had on the field who could dominate in a tackle (admittedly not hard with our pack).
He obviously can pass and kick - and these assets have been completely eradicated from his game.
Just seems to me that Taylor wants him to be a Lovett clone.
As I said before- he'll do better away from Taylor.

Kick ??

He couldn't kick his dog CK

 

[TYGA]

I reckon Curtis will play Origin in 2018 just not with us. he needs to get away from the Tigers.

Are you drunk?

Bozo

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Potter let him play entirely differently to the way Taylor wanted him to play - and Taylor is Stringer's boss and told how to play him in reggies.
He's been coached to forget the things that made him different (and stand out) and play like a robot by Taylor.
And people wonder why he has a hard time getting his heart into it.
As long as Taylor remains he'd be better at a club that would let him play to his strengths and help him develop them.

He shouldn't have exercised his option to stay for another year then should he?

Wouldn't have got the money the option was offering anywhere else - This way he's guaranteed decent money no matter how well he plays or for whom?
Cheers,

Totally get that, and it's the club's fault for giving him a stupid deal in the first place. What I'm asking is why he'd take the option if he feels so badly treated by the coaching methods at the club, to the extent (as the post I was replying to suggested) that he feels his career is being destroyed.

One thing or another, surely?

I'd say he's hedging his bets. What it does say to me is that Curtis obviously feels there may be some substance to the criticism. If you weren't happy and desperate to get out, you'd go at any cost. He'd likely be offered far less to go elsewhere so he's securing his short term future in the meantime. If he continues to get no first grade time at WT though it could well be terminal for his career so it may end up hurting him in the long run.

 

[quintus]

He's a bum and :sign: should not be allowed anywhere near a first grade dressing room….

 

[yeti]

I don't mind admitting I was one who thought Curtis would turn into a really good first grader (at the least). Unfortunately it appears that this is at best, unlikely. As they say, the most valuable 'real estate' is the 6 inches between the ears. Unless that's in order, the rest amounts to nothing. Unfortunately, it appears Curtis hasn't been able to get his head right for the rigors of week to week first grade footy.
Of course there have been plenty before him who have displayed all of the physical attributes needed to succeed but missed out on the mindset necessary.
Maybe a change of clubs will work for him - but I doubt it.

 

[851]

I've read some extremely hyperbolic things about Taylor the last 12 months, but him being blamed for Siro's form almost tops it all. He was no different under Potter to what he's been under Taylor. Lazy and entitled. Its good to see the majority have woken up to him. If he wants to come back into the 17, its up to him to put the effort in and earn his place. Lovett cops it deluxe on here, but what he lacks in natural talent he makes up for in heart. Its the reverse for Siro. Doesn't show enough ticker to be successful.

There is a lot here.

1\. Taylor hasn't copped it anywhere near what he should have in my opinion. He has had an easy run. There appears to be a bunch of supporters who support anything that he does.
2\. Taylor definitely isn't to blame for Siro's form. That is all on Curtis. This goes for other players as well. Moses coming on last year wasn't due to Taylor.
3\. I don't think Siro was that bad. I think he cops it because everyone wants him to be his dad. Aloiai took over from Siro and also had pretty mediocre stats. I think Aloiai has slightly better hit-ups but his defence wasn't as good as Curtis.
4\. I don't believe any of the stuff regarding he won't put in the effort and he doesn't have enough ticker. I think he lacks explosive pace and most top line backrowers have that explosiveness.

I'd like to see Curtis retained and groomed for a top grade spot. I think he could turn into a quality first grader. I don't think he has been treated poorly or anything like that though. Some players just aren't straight up stars. Some develop into high quality first graders and some don't. Siro hasn't as yet developed into a quality first grader so I can understand the club letting him go.

Some really good points Steve, and do we really want to pay another player to play elsewhere for the next 2 years, we are already paying enough for one high profile player to play against us.

 

[Tiger4life]

I've read some extremely hyperbolic things about Taylor the last 12 months, but him being blamed for Siro's form almost tops it all. He was no different under Potter to what he's been under Taylor. Lazy and entitled. Its good to see the majority have woken up to him. If he wants to come back into the 17, its up to him to put the effort in and earn his place. Lovett cops it deluxe on here, but what he lacks in natural talent he makes up for in heart. Its the reverse for Siro. Doesn't show enough ticker to be successful.

There is a lot here.

1\. Taylor hasn't copped it anywhere near what he should have in my opinion. He has had an easy run. There appears to be a bunch of supporters who support anything that he does.
2\. Taylor definitely isn't to blame for Siro's form. That is all on Curtis. This goes for other players as well. Moses coming on last year wasn't due to Taylor.
3\. I don't think Siro was that bad. I think he cops it because everyone wants him to be his dad. Aloiai took over from Siro and also had pretty mediocre stats. I think Aloiai has slightly better hit-ups but his defence wasn't as good as Curtis.
4\. I don't believe any of the stuff regarding he won't put in the effort and he doesn't have enough ticker. I think he lacks explosive pace and most top line backrowers have that explosiveness.

I'd like to see Curtis retained and groomed for a top grade spot. I think he could turn into a quality first grader. I don't think he has been treated poorly or anything like that though. Some players just aren't straight up stars. Some develop into high quality first graders and some don't. Siro hasn't as yet developed into a quality first grader so I can understand the club letting him go.

Some really good points Steve, and do we really want to pay another player to play elsewhere for the next 2 years, we are already paying enough for one high profile player to play against us.

I agree with Siro being dropped in the first place as he was playing average. But there is no consistency. How can you drop one player becasue of form and have multiple players that also derserved to be dropped keep playing. You cannot select a player based on ticker and heart alone. If the tigers selected me i would give 200% but that still wont make me a first grade player. How Rankin, Lovett, Naiqama were never dropped is beyond belief. We held 2 players accountable for form this year(sirro and farah) everyone else pretty much got a free pass with no accountability. I would have given siro another shot to see how he responded.

 

[matchball]

I've read some extremely hyperbolic things about Taylor the last 12 months, but him being blamed for Siro's form almost tops it all. He was no different under Potter to what he's been under Taylor. Lazy and entitled. Its good to see the majority have woken up to him. If he wants to come back into the 17, its up to him to put the effort in and earn his place. Lovett cops it deluxe on here, but what he lacks in natural talent he makes up for in heart. Its the reverse for Siro. Doesn't show enough ticker to be successful.

There is a lot here.

1\. Taylor hasn't copped it anywhere near what he should have in my opinion. He has had an easy run. There appears to be a bunch of supporters who support anything that he does.
2\. Taylor definitely isn't to blame for Siro's form. That is all on Curtis. This goes for other players as well. Moses coming on last year wasn't due to Taylor.
3\. I don't think Siro was that bad. I think he cops it because everyone wants him to be his dad. Aloiai took over from Siro and also had pretty mediocre stats. I think Aloiai has slightly better hit-ups but his defence wasn't as good as Curtis.
4\. I don't believe any of the stuff regarding he won't put in the effort and he doesn't have enough ticker. I think he lacks explosive pace and most top line backrowers have that explosiveness.

I'd like to see Curtis retained and groomed for a top grade spot. I think he could turn into a quality first grader. I don't think he has been treated poorly or anything like that though. Some players just aren't straight up stars. Some develop into high quality first graders and some don't. Siro hasn't as yet developed into a quality first grader so I can understand the club letting him go.

Some really good points Steve, and do we really want to pay another player to play elsewhere for the next 2 years, we are already paying enough for one high profile player to play against us.

I agree with Siro being dropped in the first place as he was playing average. But there is no consistency. How can you drop one player becasue of form and have multiple players that also derserved to be dropped keep playing. You cannot select a player based on ticker and heart alone. If the tigers selected me i would give 200% but that still wont make me a first grade player. How Rankin, Lovett, Naiqama were never dropped is beyond belief. We held 2 players accountable for form this year(sirro and farah) everyone else pretty much got a free pass with no accountability. I would have given siro another shot to see how he responded.

It's all great saying dump Rankin etc but who takes their place?
It's not like we have depth for wingers and centres.
If we paying overs for certain players, we have no choice to fill the team up with budget plodders.
Removing Curtis will free up 500k. Use it wisely and we can possibly buy someone decent.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

I've read some extremely hyperbolic things about Taylor the last 12 months, but him being blamed for Siro's form almost tops it all. He was no different under Potter to what he's been under Taylor. Lazy and entitled. Its good to see the majority have woken up to him. If he wants to come back into the 17, its up to him to put the effort in and earn his place. Lovett cops it deluxe on here, but what he lacks in natural talent he makes up for in heart. Its the reverse for Siro. Doesn't show enough ticker to be successful.

There is a lot here.

1\. Taylor hasn't copped it anywhere near what he should have in my opinion. He has had an easy run. There appears to be a bunch of supporters who support anything that he does.
2\. Taylor definitely isn't to blame for Siro's form. That is all on Curtis. This goes for other players as well. Moses coming on last year wasn't due to Taylor.
3\. I don't think Siro was that bad. I think he cops it because everyone wants him to be his dad. Aloiai took over from Siro and also had pretty mediocre stats. I think Aloiai has slightly better hit-ups but his defence wasn't as good as Curtis.
4\. I don't believe any of the stuff regarding he won't put in the effort and he doesn't have enough ticker. I think he lacks explosive pace and most top line backrowers have that explosiveness.

I'd like to see Curtis retained and groomed for a top grade spot. I think he could turn into a quality first grader. I don't think he has been treated poorly or anything like that though. Some players just aren't straight up stars. Some develop into high quality first graders and some don't. Siro hasn't as yet developed into a quality first grader so I can understand the club letting him go.

Some really good points Steve, and do we really want to pay another player to play elsewhere for the next 2 years, we are already paying enough for one high profile player to play against us.

I agree with Siro being dropped in the first place as he was playing average. But there is no consistency. How can you drop one player becasue of form and have multiple players that also derserved to be dropped keep playing. You cannot select a player based on ticker and heart alone. If the tigers selected me i would give 200% but that still wont make me a first grade player. How Rankin, Lovett, Naiqama were never dropped is beyond belief. We held 2 players accountable for form this year(sirro and farah) everyone else pretty much got a free pass with no accountability. I would have given siro another shot to see how he responded.

The sad part is, if Sironen was even as good as Rankin, he would still be there :deadhorse:

 

[GNR4LIFE]

You just can't drop half the squad, the cap doesn't allow that. There wasn't anyone in the squad more deserving to be dropped this yr. No other player had underachieved for 3 years like Siro had. At some point you have to say enough is enough. For all of Rankin, Kev and Lovett's faults, i've never seen anyone bag them for not having a go. Having a go and just not being up to it is more forgivable than someone who has talent and coasts. And again, it's hard to replace average players when you don't have anyone better to replace them with.

 

[tigermac88]

There is a lot here.

1\. Taylor hasn't copped it anywhere near what he should have in my opinion. He has had an easy run. There appears to be a bunch of supporters who support anything that he does.
2\. Taylor definitely isn't to blame for Siro's form. That is all on Curtis. This goes for other players as well. Moses coming on last year wasn't due to Taylor.
3\. I don't think Siro was that bad. I think he cops it because everyone wants him to be his dad. Aloiai took over from Siro and also had pretty mediocre stats. I think Aloiai has slightly better hit-ups but his defence wasn't as good as Curtis.
4\. I don't believe any of the stuff regarding he won't put in the effort and he doesn't have enough ticker. I think he lacks explosive pace and most top line backrowers have that explosiveness.

I'd like to see Curtis retained and groomed for a top grade spot. I think he could turn into a quality first grader. I don't think he has been treated poorly or anything like that though. Some players just aren't straight up stars. Some develop into high quality first graders and some don't. Siro hasn't as yet developed into a quality first grader so I can understand the club letting him go.

Some really good points Steve, and do we really want to pay another player to play elsewhere for the next 2 years, we are already paying enough for one high profile player to play against us.

I agree with Siro being dropped in the first place as he was playing average. But there is no consistency. How can you drop one player becasue of form and have multiple players that also derserved to be dropped keep playing. You cannot select a player based on ticker and heart alone. If the tigers selected me i would give 200% but that still wont make me a first grade player. How Rankin, Lovett, Naiqama were never dropped is beyond belief. We held 2 players accountable for form this year(sirro and farah) everyone else pretty much got a free pass with no accountability. I would have given siro another shot to see how he responded.

The sad part is, if Sironen was even as good as Rankin, he would still be there :deadhorse:

Good at what??? Washing JT's car?? Walking JT's dog?? Rankin is just as bad as Sirro but got a run each week cause he's one of JT's favourites.

 

[851]

Some really good points Steve, and do we really want to pay another player to play elsewhere for the next 2 years, we are already paying enough for one high profile player to play against us.

I agree with Siro being dropped in the first place as he was playing average. But there is no consistency. How can you drop one player becasue of form and have multiple players that also derserved to be dropped keep playing. You cannot select a player based on ticker and heart alone. If the tigers selected me i would give 200% but that still wont make me a first grade player. How Rankin, Lovett, Naiqama were never dropped is beyond belief. We held 2 players accountable for form this year(sirro and farah) everyone else pretty much got a free pass with no accountability. I would have given siro another shot to see how he responded.

The sad part is, if Sironen was even as good as Rankin, he would still be there :deadhorse:

Good at what??? Washing JT's car?? Walking JT's dog?? Rankin is just as bad as Sirro but got a run each week cause he's one of JT's favourites.

Sad, but true, no accountability, no surprise we missed the 8.

 

[Masterton]

I don't mind admitting I was one who thought Curtis would turn into a really good first grader (at the least). Unfortunately it appears that this is at best, unlikely. As they say, the most valuable 'real estate' is the 6 inches between the ears. Unless that's in order, the rest amounts to nothing. Unfortunately, it appears Curtis hasn't been able to get his head right for the rigors of week to week first grade footy.
Of course there have been plenty before him who have displayed all of the physical attributes needed to succeed but missed out on the mindset necessary.
Maybe a change of clubs will work for him - but I doubt it.

I thought he had some pretty good games when he started at 5/8, but obviously he wasn't quick enough to last there.

I suspect he might be a better player if he lost some weight and regained some mobility.

 

[Tiger4life]

You just can't drop half the squad, the cap doesn't allow that. There wasn't anyone in the squad more deserving to be dropped this yr. No other player had underachieved for 3 years like Siro had. At some point you have to say enough is enough. For all of Rankin, Kev and Lovett's faults, i've never seen anyone bag them for not having a go. Having a go and just not being up to it is more forgivable than someone who has talent and coasts. And again, it's hard to replace average players when you don't have anyone better to replace them with.

So Sirro was not having a go and Lovett was lol. How can you even measure this or talk about it. Was kevie having a go each week tackling no one? Yet chee kam wasnt given a chance to prove himself at centre.

You dont neee to drop half your squad, you need to drop players who arent performing. How many players have been given a chance at first grade and have taken it with both hands. The argument we wont drop players because we have no one better to replace them with doesnt wash with me and only creates an environment that says mediocricity is acceptable.

 

[Tiger4life]

Some really good points Steve, and do we really want to pay another player to play elsewhere for the next 2 years, we are already paying enough for one high profile player to play against us.

I agree with Siro being dropped in the first place as he was playing average. But there is no consistency. How can you drop one player becasue of form and have multiple players that also derserved to be dropped keep playing. You cannot select a player based on ticker and heart alone. If the tigers selected me i would give 200% but that still wont make me a first grade player. How Rankin, Lovett, Naiqama were never dropped is beyond belief. We held 2 players accountable for form this year(sirro and farah) everyone else pretty much got a free pass with no accountability. I would have given siro another shot to see how he responded.

The sad part is, if Sironen was even as good as Rankin, he would still be there :deadhorse:

Good at what??? Washing JT's car?? Walking JT's dog?? Rankin is just as bad as Sirro but got a run each week cause he's one of JT's favourites.

LOL so hilarious. JT sure has his favourites and they will play no matter what. Probably the major reason we lost JAC. Couldnt crack our first grade team but was probably told he will have a great chance of playing wing for the mjnor premiers. I dont think anyone had as bad as a game as rankin had against penrith and he was first picked next week.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

So Sirro was not having a go and Lovett was lol. How can you even measure this or talk about it. Was kevie having a go each week tackling no one? Yet chee kam wasnt given a chance to prove himself at centre.

Its very easy to tell when a player is genuinely having a go and another isn't. Stevie Wonder could see that Siro was living off his reputation while a guy like Lovett busted a gut.

As far as Kev goes, defence is atrocious, no doubt about that, but he's the best attacking centre this team has by a mile.

 

[Masterton]

So Sirro was not having a go and Lovett was lol. How can you even measure this or talk about it. Was kevie having a go each week tackling no one?

He scored 93.2 on the bludgeometer. You can't argue with science.

 

[Masterton]

Good at what??? Washing JT's car?? Walking JT's dog??

LOL so hilarious. JT sure has his favourites and they will play no matter what.

It amazes me how many times commenters can make the same joke.

 

[stevetiger]

You just can't drop half the squad, the cap doesn't allow that. There wasn't anyone in the squad more deserving to be dropped this yr. No other player had underachieved for 3 years like Siro had. At some point you have to say enough is enough. For all of Rankin, Kev and Lovett's faults, i've never seen anyone bag them for not having a go. Having a go and just not being up to it is more forgivable than someone who has talent and coasts. And again, it's hard to replace average players when you don't have anyone better to replace them with.

I don't think that this is fair at all. The idea that Sirro has all the talent but he just doesn't work hard enough doesn't ring true to me.

You do though need to have better players to replace the player who gets dropped. I'm not sure if we have better options that all the players that you have mentioned.