Don’t stand for the anthem!’

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^ Well said NT. There is racism on both sides and discrimination on both sides. Many choose to fan the flames, as Joe Williams seems keen to do on this subject.

Just wondering what his thoughts would be if people turned their backs on the indigenous elders who perform the "welcome to country" ceremonies at big league and union games? Would he be OK with that?

 

[Tim Sheens]

Are ancestors of the first European settlers more Australian than first or second generation Australians?

Yes

 

[Tim Sheens]

^ Well said NT. There is racism on both sides and discrimination on both sides. Many choose to fan the flames, as Joe Williams seems keen to do on this subject.

Just wondering what his thoughts would be if people turned their backs on the indigenous elders who perform the "welcome to country" ceremonies at big league and union games? Would he be OK with that?

Maybe you could head out to the Simpson Desert and ask him.

 

[Tim Sheens]

What a sad, pathetic, desperate cry for relevance from a man who could hardly be more irrelevant

 

[cktiger]

^ Well said NT. There is racism on both sides and discrimination on both sides. Many choose to fan the flames, as Joe Williams seems keen to do on this subject.

Just wondering what his thoughts would be if people turned their backs on the indigenous elders who perform the "welcome to country" ceremonies at big league and union games? Would he be OK with that?

**Maybe you could head out to the Simpson Desert and ask him**.

Don't think you'll find him there - doesn't he live in Wagga Wagga?
Seriously though, if he wants to make a statement about Aboriginals being denied opportunity he is barking up the wrong .
Rugby League (and the AFL) have gone out of their way to help the cause of indigenous people and given many kids a way to make a difference for their people in a positive fashion.

 

[Newtown]

Its a free country … if Joe wants to disrespect the Anthem then he can.

And if people want to call him an a_--hole or a moron, then they are free to do that also.

That's what makes Australia great.

It is so easy to protest. Many people spend their life about protesting against anything they can find. It is so much more difficult to really do something to help people than to just protest for the sake of it, ie. how many of these protesters actually go out of their way to really help people by volunteeriing their own precious time?

 

[stryker]

They are entitled to their views and good on them for it.

People who think this is racism in reverse are wrong IMO. Racism is the product of prejudice + power, which indigenous people and people of colour all over the world are deprived of. They are powerless to discriminate against white Australia the way they are discriminated against today and were discriminated against historically, so the two things can't be equal. If you feel dscriminated against in Australia because you're white you are taking the mickey, and if you don't feel discriminated against why on earth do you feel you have a God given right to comment on something you've never experienced and don't understand? Oh… That's the inherent privilege that prevails in most colonised countries, and if you can't even accept that please don't waste my time and your own with a response.

Unfortunately the views of some Australians are heading towards a more extreme "anti-everyone who doesn't agree with us". All driven by fear of the other, nothing new here, just the internet's version of imperialism.

As for Morgan, I have a lot of respect for him, but ignoring the fact that people are white and black is fine for him with his status, wealth and standing. Not so lovey dovey for people getting shot because of their skin colour.

This is the biggest load of bullcrap I've read on here.

 

[stryker]

Its a free country … if Joe wants to disrespect the Anthem then he can.

And if people want to call him an a_--hole or a moron, then they are free to do that also.

That's what makes Australia great.

It is so easy to protest. Many people spend their life about protesting against anything they can find. It is so much more difficult to really do something to help people than to just protest for the sake of it, ie. how many of these protesters actually go out of their way to really help people by volunteeriing their own precious time?

This is a question for you Byron Bay.

 

[Nelson]

They are entitled to their views and good on them for it.

People who think this is racism in reverse are wrong IMO. Racism is the product of prejudice + power, which indigenous people and people of colour all over the world are deprived of. They are powerless to discriminate against white Australia the way they are discriminated against today and were discriminated against historically, so the two things can't be equal. If you feel dscriminated against in Australia because you're white you are taking the mickey, and if you don't feel discriminated against why on earth do you feel you have a God given right to comment on something you've never experienced and don't understand? Oh… That's the inherent privilege that prevails in most colonised countries, and if you can't even accept that please don't waste my time and your own with a response.

Unfortunately the views of some Australians are heading towards a more extreme "anti-everyone who doesn't agree with us". All driven by fear of the other, nothing new here, just the internet's version of imperialism.

As for Morgan, I have a lot of respect for him, but ignoring the fact that people are white and black is fine for him with his status, wealth and standing. Not so lovey dovey for people getting shot because of their skin colour.

It's not racism in reverse, it's just straight up racism. He resents people because of the colour of their skin. I don't have to feel discriminated against to find it annoying that someone I've never met would dislike me because of the colour of my skin without having ever met me. I mean he hasn't even given me the opportunity to show him all the legitimate reasons he should dislike me…

You're conflating racism and discrimination, they're not the same.

 

[Russell]

I am all for whatever action Indigenous players choose to take. It is their life and their decision. No one asked or invited the first settlors to migrate here, this migration has effected every generation of Indigenous people whose life is influenced and determined by this take over of the island.

I was born here. I didnt choose. I didnt slaughter the indigenous peeps back in 1788\. I didnt steal anyones children. I dont treat anyone differently because of their skin colour or culture.
The first settlers affect my generation and my family too.

But what i would like is some unity and respect from others who throw me into the same pile as those in the past. The PM said sorry on behalf of all of us who are living today.

Its 2016\. Everyone cops some sh#t from time to time. But i get around it by respecting myself and others of this land who love our country and want to stand up together. If you handle yourself with dignity, you will be heard. If you disrespect everyone else who is in the same boat as you, dont get upset if youre treated like a d***.

Well said Swordy - agree with what you have said.

This Joe is a dope - let's protest at a game that is on the side of the indigenous people.

In representative sides it is just an observance that most indigenous players do not sing the anthem (JT does, most times GI doesn't) is this an ongoing protest?

I am a great believer that if you don't sing the anthem of the country you are playing for - you should never play for the country again. Here that Tamou and Semi!!!!!

 

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^ Well said NT. There is racism on both sides and discrimination on both sides. Many choose to fan the flames, as Joe Williams seems keen to do on this subject.

Just wondering what his thoughts would be if people turned their backs on the indigenous elders who perform the "welcome to country" ceremonies at big league and union games? Would he be OK with that?

Maybe you could head out to the Simpson Desert and ask him.

Be a waste of time wouldn't it? He would more likely be found in a trendy pub or parking his flash car in the driveway of his fancy house. Oh that's right he's "oppressed" so he wouldn't have any mod-cons.
Just another wannabe Mundine who pushes his political wheelbarrow using sport as his smokescreen.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

No one asked or invited the first settlors to migrate here, this migration has effected every generation of Indigenous people whose life is influenced and determined by this take over of the island.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

Are you saying that you're going to leave Australia, as your family has exacerbated the problems caused by the invasion, and you have no right living on somebody else's land? That would be the honorable thing to do, given your feelings on the matter.

Or do you just like talking for the sake of talking?

Sorry BBF, but it sounds like you want to put a guilt trip on us all.
I', like most of us , am not a racist.
I grew up in a NSWTown , where I had as many aboriginal mates as white ones.
I worked with a lot of different colours and Nationalities in an electrical apprenticeship in the Railways in Sydney, in the Sixtys.
I went to Cabramatta High school for two years, when there was hardly any Australian kids there.
I don't care what colour someone is, but a DHead is a D Head, no matter what colour he is.
Myself and my family didn't didn't invade anyone ,in fact one of them, my Daughter, works in a job where she helps aboriginals kids to get into Uni courses.
None of the people who will be at the GF , invaded Australia either, as far as I know.
Maybe Joe would be doing a bit more good if he didn't show so much disrespect to the same people who , in a lot of cases try to help aboriginals who need it
All of us that live here , are not responsible for his problems about who came here a couple of centuries ago.
But a lot of people have spent a lot of time and money to try and improve the lives of Aboriginals and will continue to do that, despite Joes attempts to stir up protests , when some of his own people are trying to watch a game that ironically, does a lot to bring us all together

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Its a free country … if Joe wants to disrespect the Anthem then he can.

And if people want to call him an a_--hole or a moron, then they are free to do that also.

That's what makes Australia great.

It is so easy to protest. Many people spend their life about protesting against anything they can find. It is so much more difficult to really do something to help people than to just protest for the sake of it, ie. how many of these protesters actually go out of their way to really help people by volunteeriing their own precious time?

This is a question for you Byron Bay.

Struth stryker, I would not trust your tips at Randwick if this is the best you can come up with.

Protesting is only a quick media grab, though with big processions like Hiroshima Day we would do posters for months in advance. Protests can be very effective use of limited resources and time. I still get people mentioning my protests that took place about 30 years ago (only last night at club this happened).

Don't mention b.oody volunteering, probably done tens of thousands of hours. I taught chess for 8 years for nix, my teams were undefeated and were against professional coaches. I done Vinnies for years when was a believer. Was an altar boy when even an atheist - beat that. Did plant out of trees for the new sports centre at BB. Help bore hole for water supply for community gardens at Mullum - all the ruddy arvo under hot sun that was. Meals on wheels for years. Years of work for political party. Done a complete philosophical type magazine for couple of years - the whole show. Used to drive the old Catholic mons (priest) round for last rites etc. when I was already a raving atheist. (used to live next door to Church for yonks and we were friends). Help out the local youth community centres when ever. Join the volunteers to look after schoolies for about 5 years, few weeks each year full on.

Your comment here is exactly like when a reporter asked Gough Whitlam what qualification did he possess to head the cultural division of the UN - his response was like "Dear, you and me know that we don't have enough time to list all my qualifications for this job".

By the way did you like my protest at Grand Final about 1977 - that was a beauty.

 

[upthetigers]

one step forward, two steps backwards

Bit like the Tigers.

 

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What was your 1977 GF protest about ByronBay?

 

[stryker]

What was your 1977 GF protest about ByronBay?

Probably upset he didn't have tickets for the replay

 

[wmlmaster]

Frankly, this has nothing to do with my Tigers. So who cares?

 

[Kavi]

Frankly, this has nothing to do with my Tigers. So who cares?

LOL

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

What was your 1977 GF protest about ByronBay?

Probably upset he didn't have tickets for the replay

Actually it was the replay that is how come there were tickets and maybe even discounted I cannot remember. F2B have told this story earlier but maybe was a first ever protest at a GF so a second run.
We had just had the big Hiroshima Day march, that worked extremely hard for making posters, posting them etc etc.. Then the silly Chinese decide to detonate another nuke bomb and we were always accused of protesting only against Western nuke bombs and not commo ones (the Western countries started the nuke arms race). So I decided we will also protest against the commos. Being too tired to organise a big demo I conned my mate, Ken Higgs, to jump on back of motor bike with big multi-coloured protest banner and off to the GF we went - sort of the Mountain going to Mohammad.

I forget what teams they were but whenever a try was scored winning fans would see their own colours on the banner and slap us on the back and yell beauty mate. Well after half an hour or so they woke up to us (pretty smart RL fans) and began throwing cans of beer at us and cursing us. So the cops come and escorted us into the in field around to where there was an exit, so did the circuit with our big banner and copping cans of beer the whole way. Luckily I had the crash helmet but Ken never (he later became a born again Christian fanatic).

I did a similar gig for the Pope's visit in about 1994 that copped the same reception - was nailed by swiss guards there, the rotten mongrels made me eat dirt.

That's life, we only live once so we have to enjoy it.

Now if we are meeting Souths in the GF next year I promise a similar gig with something about RF on it.

 

[guyofthetiger]

There's a wonderful doco called Kanyini, which never fails to change people's perspectives on the struggles Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities face. It may come up on Youtube again at some point in the future.

Father Bob Randall, a Yankunytjatjara elder from Mutitjulu near Uluru, now deceased, discusses the compounding trauma of losing connection to country, spiritual beliefs, culture, family and community - one by one - over time.

How could we ever imagine a relationship to the Earth that has developed over 50,000 years - let alone understanding what it would mean to lose that. 200 years is barely the blink of an eye.

The effects of the White Australia Policy, such as the Stolen Generation and the massacres of tens of thousands of people, strongly affect Indigenous people today.

Most Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders would be the first to ignore and shrug off racism.

What most fight against is institutionalised racism. What most fight for is to find a way to be a part of the mainstream, and to overcome the traumatic legacy of colonisation and the White Australia Policy and go forward with a foot in both worlds.

Yes, a lot of money goes into Indigenous communities but unfortunately, for the most part, that simply supports a white workforce across remote Australia. Where you can get paid 120k to work in a shop, or 300k as an Administrator.