FITZHENRY YOUR THOUGHTS

[crouching_tiger]

And just to think…if WT had Fitzhenry on the bench in that crucial game against Parramatta last year...WT would likely have been playing finals footy last season..

 

[innsaneink]

And just to think…if WT had Fitzhenry on the bench in that crucial game against Parramatta last year...WT would likely have been playing finals footy last season..

Must be one of the serious posts….''ifs & likely's" ...a 10 year olds mentality

 

[Golden]

What's the point of having him on the bench to come on for 5 mins at the end of the game.
And don't give me this utility garbage, he can rove in at hooker…well that's pointless because we have one of the best hookers in the game.
He can play wing adequately, why would you replace a winger during the game?
I think our team would be versatile enough to cover injuries in the other positions.

I hate it when people call out other supporters on what makes a true fan.
I saw a tigers fan beat the crap out of another tigers fan on Monday night. He didn't boo Fitzy though when his named was called out so he must be a better fan than me.

why would you replace a winger you ask?? well the one time we didnt have a winger on the bench both our wingers went down with injury leading 8-0 up

 

[westTAHger]

My thoughts - he's a Tigers player so I support him all the way.

Why we need to bag our own so much always frustrates me. why not a hundred threads about what a tosser Watmough is, or a whinger Jamie Lyon is etc etc?

I agree.
Have any of the people on this forum, who are disgruntled with Fitzy being at wests-tigers actually ever contacted the club, and told management, or the coaching staff.
Or have they ever approached Fitzy himself and spoken to him one on one.

 

[Guest]

My thoughts - he's a Tigers player so I support him all the way.

Why we need to bag our own so much always frustrates me. why not a hundred threads about what a tosser Watmough is, or a whinger Jamie Lyon is etc etc?

I agree.
Have any of the people on this forum, who are disgruntled with Fitzy being at wests-tigers actually ever contacted the club, and told management, or the coaching staff.
Or have they ever approached Fitzy himself and spoken to him one on one.

Of course not. That would require some form of courage, which these people clearly lack.

 

[Yossarian]

My thoughts - he's a Tigers player so I support him all the way.

Why we need to bag our own so much always frustrates me. why not a hundred threads about what a tosser Watmough is, or a whinger Jamie Lyon is etc etc?

I agree.
Have any of the people on this forum, who are disgruntled with Fitzy being at wests-tigers actually ever contacted the club, and told management, or the coaching staff.
Or have they ever approached Fitzy himself and spoken to him one on one.

Well this is it isn't it? Instead of questioning the decision to sign him or to pick him people just attack the bloke himself. I don't mind criticism of someone who has a bad game but the level of vitriol some people put towards a guy who has been a very loyal servant of this club is pathetic.

Whatever you think about his playing ability he doesn't deserve to be booed during the team announcement by some of our so called fans.

 

[REHAB]

And just to think…if WT had Fitzhenry on the bench in that crucial game against Parramatta last year...WT would likely have been playing finals footy last season..

So then we can also say if TNT didn't get injured or if we won all the close games…

 

[REHAB]

My thoughts - he's a Tigers player so I support him all the way.

Why we need to bag our own so much always frustrates me. why not a hundred threads about what a tosser Watmough is, or a whinger Jamie Lyon is etc etc?

I agree.
Have any of the people on this forum, who are disgruntled with Fitzy being at wests-tigers actually ever contacted the club, and told management, or the coaching staff.
Or have they ever approached Fitzy himself and spoken to him one on one.

Of course not. That would require some form of courage, which these people clearly lack.

Ummm did we all forget last year when sheens moved benji from 6 to 7 and was a terrible mistake and the fans kicked up a stink then after one good game sheens said something along the lines the fans don't no what we are talking about… The club won't listen to criticisim and if sheens was right on benj in 7 then why is he in 6 this year. A perfect example of why would fans bother going to have there say. You criticise they don't want to no, you give praise they suck it up. I personally think it's wrong, coz when they move on from the club we are still here supporting.

 

[weststigers]

Gee I don't know, maybe if one our wingers say severely injured their ankle???? In any case what type of bench are you proposing? It's all very good to play 4 forwards off the bench if nobody gets hurt but if a back goes down who do you propose plays in the backline? Can say Liam Fulton really cover if Moltzen had to come off early game? If any backline member gets injured Fitzy can cover that either directly or by taking the place of someone else moved (say Moltzen moving to half if Lui came off). Sure the flip side is one of your subs may not get much time but that's the call Sheens needs to make.

So you pick a bench spot based on the probability a winger breaks their ankle. That might happen once a year (touch wood it doesn't) so it impedes the other 23 games of the year.

I am satisfied with Moors, Flanagan and Cayless for my bench.
I would rather give the coveted number 17 to blood youth if it's only going to be used 10 minutes here and there.
For example, someone like Taumata (who I thought would be on the bench from the get go) or even Lazarus to expose them to the big time.
I don't really understand what Fitzy offers. "Utility" is a myth and passion for the club doesn't translate into skill.

I don't doubt the value of having experience at training and around juniors but not in the first 17.

No I'm saying it does happen (and more than once a year - I remember Hanbury getting a lot of game time as a replacement some games) and as a coach Sheens needs to decide whether its worth risking playing 70 minutes with a backrower to play 4 forwards on the bench.

Taumata certainly hasn't shown he warrants a top grade spot and Lazarus has played one competition game in the last 3 seasons. Utility a myth? Look I'm no fan of Fitzy (I'd describe myself as neutral) but the fact is the guy has played fullback, centre, wing, 5/8 and hooker at top grade level. If you can't see the benefits of having someone like that on the bench well we're wasting our time discussing this. Again I'm not saying you HAVE to put someone like that on the bench but it is a legitimate option.

Taumata looked very sharp for Balmain on the weekend. He was in good company with Blake Lazarus who looked good too, but I still think Blake is a little skinny for first grade. As you said, Blake is coming off some bad injury luck and hasn't played footy in a while, but he is still young and he'll get his chance. He looks like he's handling his time with the big boys quite well.

Taumata, on the other hand, has shown what he can do in first-grade and QLD/NSW cup and he seems to be a fairly consistent player. I think the only thing holding him back from the 17 jumper is that Sheens will want to monitor his attitude and behaviour over the short-term to make sure he doesn't slip back into his old ways. I still don't see the need for a winger on the bench. The chances of losing BOTH wingers in a game are slim and if we lose one then Ayshford slides out and someone slots in to centre. If a winger does get injured I'd rather see:
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3\. Taumata
5\. Ayshford

than

3\. Ayshford
5\. Fitzhenry

Just my opinion of course, but I'll still be cheering for Fitzy to grab a hat-trick of 90 metre tries after diffusing 3 difficult Carney bombs :smiley:

 

[Mona_Lolesi]

why would you replace a winger you ask?? well the one time we didnt have a winger on the bench both our wingers went down with injury leading 8-0 up

Yeah brilliant, have a winger for the one off shot both our wingers go down..Might has well have a couple of extra halves in case they go down also.

Like I said, what happens once a season doesn't happen in 23 other games.

And Fitzy is not a utility. I don't care if he HAS played every position, he isn't up to scratch in any of them bar winger. In which refer to point 1 about having a replacement winger on the bench.

And to further prove my point, look at the other 15 teams picked this weekend. How many of them have a player that has played the majority of their career on the wing on their bench….

Exactly...

 

[Yossarian]

why would you replace a winger you ask?? well the one time we didnt have a winger on the bench both our wingers went down with injury leading 8-0 up

Yeah brilliant, have a winger for the one off shot both our wingers go down..Might has well have a couple of extra halves in case they go down also.

Like I said, what happens once a season doesn't happen in 23 other games.

And Fitzy is not a utility. I don't care if he HAS played every position, he isn't up to scratch in any of them bar winger. In which refer to point 1 about having a replacement winger on the bench.

And to further prove my point, look at the other 15 teams picked this weekend. How many of them have a player that has played the majority of their career on the wing on their bench….

Exactly...

Well that's your opinion isn't it? That he isn't up to scratch in anything else bar winger. It's not like he just filled in, he has been picked for a number of games in positions other than wing. It's no different than say picking Gerard Beale or Wade McKinnon for a bench spot.

 

[crouching_tiger]

And just to think…if WT had Fitzhenry on the bench in that crucial game against Parramatta last year...WT would likely have been playing finals footy last season..

So then we can also say if TNT didn't get injured or if we won all the close games…

Well it's no surprise with Fitzy on the bench, **WT won a close one last Monday without TNT** then is it…

 

[851]

why would you replace a winger you ask?? well the one time we didnt have a winger on the bench both our wingers went down with injury leading 8-0 up

Yeah brilliant, have a winger for the one off shot both our wingers go down..Might has well have a couple of extra halves in case they go down also.

Like I said, what happens once a season doesn't happen in 23 other games.

And Fitzy is not a utility. I don't care if he HAS played every position, he isn't up to scratch in any of them bar winger. In which refer to point 1 about having a replacement winger on the bench.

And to further prove my point, look at the other 15 teams picked this weekend. How many of them have a player that has played the majority of their career on the wing on their bench….

Exactly...

Well that's your opinion isn't it? That he isn't up to scratch in anything else bar winger. It's not like he just filled in, he has been picked for a number of games in positions other than wing. It's no different than say picking Gerard Beale or Wade McKinnon for a bench spot.

That is my opinion too,Fitzy might have played a lot of positions,but wing was the only one that was anywhere near NRL standard,so that argument of yours is flawed.
There are a quite a few players in the NRL who play a heap of positions,doesn't make them a utility if they can only play one well. 😢

 

[Yossarian]

Yeah brilliant, have a winger for the one off shot both our wingers go down..Might has well have a couple of extra halves in case they go down also.

Like I said, what happens once a season doesn't happen in 23 other games.

And Fitzy is not a utility. I don't care if he HAS played every position, he isn't up to scratch in any of them bar winger. In which refer to point 1 about having a replacement winger on the bench.

And to further prove my point, look at the other 15 teams picked this weekend. How many of them have a player that has played the majority of their career on the wing on their bench….

Exactly...

Well that's your opinion isn't it? That he isn't up to scratch in anything else bar winger. It's not like he just filled in, he has been picked for a number of games in positions other than wing. It's no different than say picking Gerard Beale or Wade McKinnon for a bench spot.

That is my opinion too,Fitzy might have played a lot of positions,but wing was the only one that was anywhere near NRL standard,so that argument of yours is flawed.
There are a quite a few players in the NRL who play a heap of positions,doesn't make them a utility if they can only play one well. 😢

But we're talking about picking someone on a bench who can adequately fill in for a number of positions. Once again, it's your opinion he can only play wing to an NRL standard, not a fact so It's not a flawed argument at all. It's a perfectly valid argument to suggest someone is capable of coming on and playing a range of positions to a fair degree. But it's all about how you rate their ability to do so - I think he's of a reasonable enough standard to play these positions, you don't.

You having a different opinion on this doesn't invalidate the argument at all.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

But we're talking about picking someone on a bench who can adequately fill in for a number of positions. Once again, it's your opinion he can only play wing to an NRL standard, not a fact so It's not a flawed argument at all. It's a perfectly valid argument to suggest someone is capable of coming on and playing a range of positions to a fair degree. But it's all about how you rate their ability to do so - I think he's of a reasonable enough standard to play these positions, you don't.

You having a different opinion on this doesn't invalidate the argument at all.

I'd love to know who else besides yourself, Tim Sheens and CT thinks that Fitzhenry is capable of playing the following positions to a fair degree:

Fullback
Five-eighth
Halfback
Hooker
Lock

Fitzhenry is not a utility. This is not an opinion, it's a fact.

 

[crouching_tiger]

But we're talking about picking someone on a bench who can adequately fill in for a number of positions. Once again, it's your opinion he can only play wing to an NRL standard, not a fact so It's not a flawed argument at all. It's a perfectly valid argument to suggest someone is capable of coming on and playing a range of positions to a fair degree. But it's all about how you rate their ability to do so - I think he's of a reasonable enough standard to play these positions, you don't.

You having a different opinion on this doesn't invalidate the argument at all.

I'd love to know who else besides yourself, Tim Sheens and CT thinks that Fitzhenry is capable of playing the following positions to a fair degree:

Fullback
Five-eighth
Halfback
Hooker
Lock

Fitzhenry is not a utility. This is not an opinion, it's a fact.

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I rest my case…

 

[hybrid_tiger]

I couldn't give a s**t that he was apparently a "utility" in England. One glimpse of him at hooker in the Foundation Cup throwing passes above peoples heads or at their bootlaces was enough to tell me he's not hooker.

He played five-eighth years ago when we were utter garbage. Hardly makes him a utility. He's an average winger, not a utility.

 

[crouching_tiger]

I couldn't give a s**t that he was apparently a "utility" in England. One glimpse of him at hooker in the Foundation Cup throwing passes above peoples heads or at their bootlaces was enough to tell me he's not hooker.

**He played five-eighth years ago when we were utter garbage. Hardly makes him a utility.** He's an average winger, not a utility.

Ummmm Fitzhenry played 5/8th the very next match **after** WT won a Premiership..and scored a try…
:laughing:

 

[hybrid_tiger]

One game. And that just sums up Sheens' ridiculous selection policy anyway, so hardly a point in your trolling argument.

 

[crouching_tiger]

One game. And that just sums up Sheens' ridiculous selection policy anyway, so hardly a point in your trolling argument.

Lucky for you hey…because you got your wish after his one game...John Morris for 3 years after that..