you can't play for 3 comp points when normal games are worth 2…
Just scrap it..it's not Rocket science
Just scrap it..it's not Rocket science
Golden Point
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foreveratiger
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@Geo. said:
He's not saying 3 points, he is saying 2 points for the winner and 1 point for the loser, if it goes into extra time.
@foreveratiger said:
That's' 3 competition point for 1 game…It has been proposed before and knocked back ...
Tim Sheens
Well-known member
Bonus points in union which works, so see no reason why a draw awarded and then play for the additional point, as the maximum is still two.
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foreveratiger
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@Geo. said:
I understand that , but what do you see wrong with it ?
I'm not in favour of extra time at all and said that on a Thread a couple of years ago , but a minimum of 1 point for us on Friday night would of been a minimum reward for our effort , if we had that in place.
From the NRL….
NRL Mailbox: Golden point
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Wed 07 Mar, 2012, 9:00am
NRL
EMAIL PRINT
The NRL has received a number of emails and feedback questioning the use of golden point.
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We have received a lot of feedback from fans regarding Golden Point extra-time in regular season games. People are suggesting a Golden Try to replace Golden Point in extra-time, and also that both teams need to get awarded points, amongst other things.
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The first thing to note about Golden Point is that it is actually a continuation of the existing game. A field goal will determine the outcome of a game immediately before full-time and therefore has to be able to determine the outcome of a game immediately after full-time.
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One of the fundamental things to remember in all of this is the workload on the players. Player workload is one of the key issues in the game. When the NRL first looked at having an extended time period, the point that was made strongly by people close to clubs and players is that extending the game by five or 10 minutes on a mandatory basis risked too much pressure on the players themselves over a season.
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The nature of Golden Point is that it is meant to help produce a result in the shortest possible time frame. By nature, Golden Point games are games in which tries are not going to be easily produced. The concept of not determining the match until a try is scored could mean that a team is ahead on the scoreboard by having kicked a number of penalties or field goals but still loses the game.
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The NRL has looked at this issue in consultation with the clubs many times over. It does not favour altering the nature of the game by removing players from the field nor does it favour fixed time periods. The Golden Point period is designed to play the game in the same circumstances as it is being played in previously and in those circumstances, a penalty or field goal immediately before full-time would produce the result.
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**The issue of creating extra points for drawn matches is one that causes an imbalance in the competition. Every match over the year should be for the same amount of competition points to give every team the same chance of making the finals. As such the idea of each team getting a point for a draw and then the Golden Point winner getting an additional point will unfairly impact on other clubs in the competition.\
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Also, the fact a match is won in extra time does not make a team more worthy of a competition point than a team who won convincingly in normal time.\
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If this concept is varied so that all matches are worth three points or four points (as some have suggested) and one of those goes to the defeated team, then it means that the winning side in a Golden Point gets a lesser reward in the competition than the team that wins in normal time. The circumstances that can lead to a match going into extra time are too varied to allow a determination that the winner is either more or less deserving of competition points than other winners in that round**.
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Ultimately this debate comes down to whether you accept a draw is a preferable result to a period of ‘sudden death’ extra-time.
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What is hard to escape is that Golden Point has provided some memorable moments, whether it be Chris Sandow’s drop kick from halfway against the Roosters last season or Darren Lockyer during last year’s Finals Series. Few could forget Wayne Bennett’s reaction when the Broncos defeated Melbourne some years ago.
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These are the moments that are more memorable than where two teams walked away on equal points.
http://www.nrl.com/nrl-mailbox-golden-point/tabid/10874/newsid/66152/default.aspx
NRL Mailbox: Golden point
>
Wed 07 Mar, 2012, 9:00am
NRL
EMAIL PRINT
The NRL has received a number of emails and feedback questioning the use of golden point.
>
We have received a lot of feedback from fans regarding Golden Point extra-time in regular season games. People are suggesting a Golden Try to replace Golden Point in extra-time, and also that both teams need to get awarded points, amongst other things.
>
The first thing to note about Golden Point is that it is actually a continuation of the existing game. A field goal will determine the outcome of a game immediately before full-time and therefore has to be able to determine the outcome of a game immediately after full-time.
>
One of the fundamental things to remember in all of this is the workload on the players. Player workload is one of the key issues in the game. When the NRL first looked at having an extended time period, the point that was made strongly by people close to clubs and players is that extending the game by five or 10 minutes on a mandatory basis risked too much pressure on the players themselves over a season.
>
The nature of Golden Point is that it is meant to help produce a result in the shortest possible time frame. By nature, Golden Point games are games in which tries are not going to be easily produced. The concept of not determining the match until a try is scored could mean that a team is ahead on the scoreboard by having kicked a number of penalties or field goals but still loses the game.
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The NRL has looked at this issue in consultation with the clubs many times over. It does not favour altering the nature of the game by removing players from the field nor does it favour fixed time periods. The Golden Point period is designed to play the game in the same circumstances as it is being played in previously and in those circumstances, a penalty or field goal immediately before full-time would produce the result.
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**The issue of creating extra points for drawn matches is one that causes an imbalance in the competition. Every match over the year should be for the same amount of competition points to give every team the same chance of making the finals. As such the idea of each team getting a point for a draw and then the Golden Point winner getting an additional point will unfairly impact on other clubs in the competition.\
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Also, the fact a match is won in extra time does not make a team more worthy of a competition point than a team who won convincingly in normal time.\
\
If this concept is varied so that all matches are worth three points or four points (as some have suggested) and one of those goes to the defeated team, then it means that the winning side in a Golden Point gets a lesser reward in the competition than the team that wins in normal time. The circumstances that can lead to a match going into extra time are too varied to allow a determination that the winner is either more or less deserving of competition points than other winners in that round**.
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Ultimately this debate comes down to whether you accept a draw is a preferable result to a period of ‘sudden death’ extra-time.
>
What is hard to escape is that Golden Point has provided some memorable moments, whether it be Chris Sandow’s drop kick from halfway against the Roosters last season or Darren Lockyer during last year’s Finals Series. Few could forget Wayne Bennett’s reaction when the Broncos defeated Melbourne some years ago.
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These are the moments that are more memorable than where two teams walked away on equal points.
http://www.nrl.com/nrl-mailbox-golden-point/tabid/10874/newsid/66152/default.aspx
Paris_Cobbs
New member
I have always hated GP, and posted about it several times over the years. Mainly because it is completely unfair to the team that loses.
In the piece above by the NRL, there is the claim that thee circumstances of the extra time should be the same as the circumstances of the normal 80 minutes. This is precisely what GP does NOT provide, because in GP time the circumstances are profoundly different because whoever scores first wins, end of story. This creates an atmosphere of panic that does not exist in the normal 80 minutes. This panic produces rubbish football!
In the piece above by the NRL, there is the claim that thee circumstances of the extra time should be the same as the circumstances of the normal 80 minutes. This is precisely what GP does NOT provide, because in GP time the circumstances are profoundly different because whoever scores first wins, end of story. This creates an atmosphere of panic that does not exist in the normal 80 minutes. This panic produces rubbish football!
Ive never agreed with GP games being worth extra comp points…I dont know why people cannot see the imbalance the NRL say it would cause....you think its a mess now....this would be a shambles
Tim Sheens
Well-known member
WT being 4 - 10 from our GP games Is just about as pathetic as Farah's effort in the last play of regular time the other night. Brooks who had positioned himself behind the ruck, along with Mitchell ready on his right as an alternative, must have been thinking :wtf
The refs not penalising Pritchard for taking a step to the right to down Moses who was long odds on to regain his own kick was at a similar level of incompetence.
The refs not penalising Pritchard for taking a step to the right to down Moses who was long odds on to regain his own kick was at a similar level of incompetence.
Tigerdave
Well-known member
Ultimately this debate comes down to whether you accept a draw is a preferable result to a period of ‘sudden death’ extra-time.
a draw is preferable
What is hard to escape is that Golden Point has provided some memorable moments, whether it be Chris Sandow’s drop kick from halfway against the Roosters last season or Darren Lockyer during last year’s Finals Series. Few could forget Wayne Bennett’s reaction when the Broncos defeated Melbourne some years ago.
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These are the moments that are more memorable than where two teams walked away on equal points.
Not hard to escape at all, comparing what is not needed, results in regular games to needed results in finals games ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS!and winning in golden point off a penalty goal…...........yeah isn't that just awesome :unamused:, I'm sure the Storm supporters loved that....
Adding to that the players complain about "how long the season is" so the governing body still thinks it's a good idea to unnecessarily force players to play more.....
We don't need it for regular games, it wasn't asked for, there was no demand for it, it should be removed.
a draw is preferable
What is hard to escape is that Golden Point has provided some memorable moments, whether it be Chris Sandow’s drop kick from halfway against the Roosters last season or Darren Lockyer during last year’s Finals Series. Few could forget Wayne Bennett’s reaction when the Broncos defeated Melbourne some years ago.
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These are the moments that are more memorable than where two teams walked away on equal points.
Not hard to escape at all, comparing what is not needed, results in regular games to needed results in finals games ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS!and winning in golden point off a penalty goal…...........yeah isn't that just awesome :unamused:, I'm sure the Storm supporters loved that....
Adding to that the players complain about "how long the season is" so the governing body still thinks it's a good idea to unnecessarily force players to play more.....
We don't need it for regular games, it wasn't asked for, there was no demand for it, it should be removed.
@innsaneink said:
In what way?
Winner gets 2 points just like every other team that wins a match, and the GP loser gets 1 point for the draw after 80 mins.
Don't see what could be so shambolic and imbalanced about it at all. Not like the competition ladder is going to tip over onto its side if three points are issued for a GP game.
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Juro
Well-known member
If 3 points are given for the game that goes to extra time, instead of 2, there would be situations where this would benefit both teams, leading to the risk of collusion. MESS!!
Juro
Well-known member
If a draw is described as like kissing your sister, due to the bad taste in your mouth, how would you describe the bad taste after losing in golden point???
Juro
Well-known member
My preference is to only play extra time when a result is needed (finals). The rest of the time (even SOO), just have the draw. And no, I don't have a sister!
foreveratiger
New member
What about a field Competition 5 different positions on the field most field goals converted takes the points :mrgreen: .
That's what it comes down to .
You know what drives me absolutely bananas Refs blow the pea out of the whistle during the game but if there is 5 minutes to go in a game or during extra time , they will not blow a Penalty when it warrants one . :brick:
how many times you blatantly see players 1 metre or 2 racing up to put pressure on the field goal kicker .
That's what it comes down to .
You know what drives me absolutely bananas Refs blow the pea out of the whistle during the game but if there is 5 minutes to go in a game or during extra time , they will not blow a Penalty when it warrants one . :brick:
how many times you blatantly see players 1 metre or 2 racing up to put pressure on the field goal kicker .
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