Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

[TYGA]

There are no conspiracies Cleary will be back at Penrith in 2021 and Nathan will sign there.
He will leave us in a better position than he started and we move on. He will resign Brooks, Marsters and bring in a few players.
We will be stronger and in a position to probably upgrade the coach.

IF that is the case , are we better off moving NOW and getting the best coach available NOW instead of seeing them all pinched off the market and being left with a lesser quality option at that stage

It's a tough question but it needs serious looking at and serious answers

No definitely not Cleary can attract talent even for 2-3 years. We should be a better team by then maybe better facilities someone within may be the option but we would be more attractive to coaches by then.
WT are trending upwards off the field.

 

[tigertye]

There are no conspiracies Cleary will be back at Penrith in 2021 and Nathan will sign there.
He will leave us in a better position than he started and we move on. He will resign Brooks, Marsters and bring in a few players.
We will be stronger and in a position to probably upgrade the coach.

IF that is the case , are we better off moving NOW and getting the best coach available NOW instead of seeing them all pinched off the market and being left with a lesser quality option at that stage

It's a tough question but it needs serious looking at and serious answers

It’s a million dollar question happy.

1\. Ivan sticks around and see’s out his contract, eventually signing on with Penrith. Does the job to the best of his ability and does his time amicably. Makes some progress, signs a couple of decent players and maybe we play some finals footy before he leaves to Penrith?

2\. Ivan seems like the sort of coach who players like to play for. Could we see Ivan line up a few of our up and comers and his favourites and take them with him to Penrith? Could leaving him in charge or recruitment/retention end up being a conflict of interest?

3\. His mind is elsewhere and the results follow. We end up having to flick him for poor performance and be financially worse off paying for a sacked coach and also have to pay a replacement?

4\. Ivan re-signs and all the talk of him leaving goes out the window?

5\. We let him go and achieve some form of compensation in doing so. Either player or financial compensation? We find a replacement now before the new season starts?

I think a inexperienced coach would fail.

Toovey is still around. There’s talk around Barrett, Flanagan, Arthur all moving on. Daley/Walters may consider a permanent role.

In my opinion the only coach available who could really keep us on the improve is Michael Maguire should Cleary leave.

The problem with waiting around for the answer is that this would surely be on players minds when it came to recruitment and a question most players would want some stability on.

Yes, we’re a proud club and expect Ivan to honour his contract. Yes, we won’t be pushed into releasing our coach….that’s all well and good, but by delaying the potentially inevitable are we actually worse off?

Could a a coach like Maguire come in and do the same job or better? We get some sort of compensation as an added incentive? Or do we risk missing out on a quality coach that’s available now hoping Cleary re-signs with us and we end up with a dud when Cleary walks?

Those are all the potential options I can see playing out. I just hope and trust that Pascoe and Go make the right call.

Myself. If he wants to go, get compensated and let him go. He’ll lose a tonne of credibility and go back to being Gould’s puppet. Hire Maguire and the show goes on. Experienced, tough, respected by players which will ease recruitment concerns, won a premiership and proven to get results quickly.

 

[Snake]

There are no conspiracies Cleary will be back at Penrith in 2021 and Nathan will sign there.
He will leave us in a better position than he started and we move on. He will resign Brooks, Marsters and bring in a few players.
We will be stronger and in a position to probably upgrade the coach.

IF that is the case , are we better off moving NOW and getting the best coach available NOW instead of seeing them all pinched off the market and being left with a lesser quality option at that stage

It's a tough question but it needs serious looking at and serious answers

It’s a million dollar question happy.

1\. Ivan sticks around and see’s out his contract, eventually signing on with Penrith. Does the job to the best of his ability and does his time amicably. Makes some progress, signs a couple of decent players and maybe we play some finals footy before he leaves to Penrith?

2\. Ivan seems like the sort of coach who players like to play for. Could we see Ivan line up a few of our up and comers and his favourites and take them with him to Penrith? Could leaving him in charge or recruitment/retention end up being a conflict of interest?

3\. His mind is elsewhere and the results follow. We end up having to flick him for poor performance and be financially worse off paying for a sacked coach and also have to pay a replacement?

4\. Ivan re-signs and all the talk of him leaving goes out the window?

5\. We let him go and achieve some form of compensation in doing so. Either player or financial compensation? We find a replacement now before the new season starts?

I think a inexperienced coach would fail.

Toovey is still around. There’s talk around Barrett, Flanagan, Arthur all moving on. Daley/Walters may consider a permanent role.

In my opinion the only coach available who could really keep us on the improve is Michael Maguire should Cleary leave.

The problem with waiting around for the answer is that this would surely be on players minds when it came to recruitment and a question most players would want some stability on.

Yes, we’re a proud club and expect Ivan to honour his contract. Yes, we won’t be pushed into releasing our coach….that’s all well and good, but by delaying the potentially inevitable are we actually worse off?

Could a a coach like Maguire come in and do the same job or better? We get some sort of compensation as an added incentive? Or do we risk missing out on a quality coach that’s available now hoping Cleary re-signs with us and we end up with a dud when Cleary walks?

Those are all the potential options I can see playing out. I just hope and trust that Pascoe and Go make the right call.

Myself. If he wants to go, get compensated and let him go. He’ll lose a tonne of credibility and go back to being Gould’s puppet. Hire Maguire and the show goes on. Experienced, tough, respected by players which will ease recruitment concerns, won a premiership and proven to get results quickly.

Your last paragraph is spot on ,I do not see the fascination about Cleary and the conjecture if he stays or moves on in two seasons .
The ball is in the clubs court here ..if he wants out good get the compo and go after Maguire,to be frank the capitulation of the team in the last month of the competition when there was a real chance to make the finals really showed to me Cleary is not the coach to take the team to the next level.

 

[supercoach]

Coaches like players are all replaceable. So when the time comes there will be plenty of people keen to take on the role. IMO I would be looking at the next generation of coaches rather than the tried and trusted. The bloke at Souths has done a brilliant job this year and last year he was a nobody.

In a way I hope the Panthers get knocked out this weekend so all this can be put to bed as you would think they would announce what coaching direction they are taking.

Anyway if he stays, and he is long odds he will, two years is a lifetime in the NRL and anything could happen. So I would not be worrying about what our coaching situation is two years down the track

 

[earl]

Coaches like players are all replaceable. So when the time comes there will be plenty of people keen to take on the role. IMO I would be looking at the next generation of coaches rather than the tried and trusted. The bloke at Souths has done a brilliant job this year and last year he was a nobody.

In a way I hope the Panthers get knocked out this weekend so all this can be put to bed as you would think they would announce what coaching direction they are taking.

Anyway if he stays, and he is long odds he will, two years is a lifetime in the NRL and anything could happen. So I would not be worrying about what our coaching situation is two years down the track

I'm not sure he is long odds to stay until the end of his contract. At the moment I'm assuming he will stay. He might sign elsewhere past that point and that is fine.

I don't see the need though to make this into some big deal. We are improving as a club but that isn't all on Ivan. I think it's more on Pascoe and Go. Ivan to me has been great but we aren't playing in the finals or being considered serious contenders for the title. I think often coaches have to be replaced as they become too aligned to certain players or the players just need to have a different look.

 

[Russell]

Coaches like players are all replaceable. So when the time comes there will be plenty of people keen to take on the role. IMO I would be looking at the next generation of coaches rather than the tried and trusted. The bloke at Souths has done a brilliant job this year and last year he was a nobody.

In a way I hope the Panthers get knocked out this weekend so all this can be put to bed as you would think they would announce what coaching direction they are taking.

Anyway if he stays, and he is long odds he will, two years is a lifetime in the NRL and anything could happen. So I would not be worrying about what our coaching situation is two years down the track

Spot on "supercoach" - a month is a lifetime in the NRL, let alone 2 years.

If he stays and I am sure he will (he said so), I believe he will do the job to the best of his ability. Whether he stays after his current contract is up, who knows.

If he doesn't stay after the two years, I would be hoping there are better options out there than Madge. At the moment there isn't and that is a concern.

Cleary will not do the wrong thing by us - I believe it is not in his nature to do stuff like that.

 

[fibrodreaming]

There are no conspiracies Cleary will be back at Penrith in 2021 and Nathan will sign there.
He will leave us in a better position than he started and we move on. He will resign Brooks, Marsters and bring in a few players.
We will be stronger and in a position to probably upgrade the coach.

IF that is the case , are we better off moving NOW and getting the best coach available NOW instead of seeing them all pinched off the market and being left with a lesser quality option at that stage

It's a tough question but it needs serious looking at and serious answers

Why are people so certain Cleary will be at Penrith in 2021 ? That would mean that Penrith will appoint a coach to keep the seat warm for two years. They have a roster capable of winning the premiership now. It doesn't make sense that they would not appoint the best man for the job for at least three years.

And what happens if the seat warmer wins Penrith two premierships ? Are they going to dump him anyway and appoint Cleary for 2021 ? Like supercoach says, two years is a long time in the NRL.

The only reason I can think of for Cleary and Penrith agreeing to take the position in 2021 would be to force the Tigers to release him now. Pascoe and Go have both said that Ivan will not be given a release. If so, then Penrith would be stuffed.

In any event, Ivan has already said in his statement that he has not received any offers from Penrith, so for the time being, I'm prepared to believe him.

 

[jadtiger]

Coaches like players are all replaceable. So when the time comes there will be plenty of people keen to take on the role. IMO I would be looking at the next generation of coaches rather than the tried and trusted. The bloke at Souths has done a brilliant job this year and last year he was a nobody.

In a way I hope the Panthers get knocked out this weekend so all this can be put to bed as you would think they would announce what coaching direction they are taking.

Anyway if he stays, and he is long odds he will, two years is a lifetime in the NRL and anything could happen. So I would not be worrying about what our coaching situation is two years down the track

Spot on "supercoach" - a month is a lifetime in the NRL, let alone 2 years.

If he stays and I am sure he will (he said so), I believe he will do the job to the best of his ability. Whether he stays after his current contract is up, who knows.

If he doesn't stay after the two years, I would be hoping there are better options out there than Madge. At the moment there isn't and that is a concern.

Cleary will not do the wrong thing by us - I believe it is not in his nature to do stuff like that.

x2

 

[HabboTiger]

Next year is key, need to see further improvement and must make top 6 (not just scrape in). If we can’t do this a new coach is needed anyway.

 

[Roar_Power]

Next year is key, need to see further improvement and must make top 6 (not just scrape in). If we can’t do this a new coach is needed anyway.

Top 6? Thats a stretch. And sacking the coach if it doesn't eventuate?

Have you seen our playing list versus the current top 6 teams?

A scrape into the top 8 and keeping the coach will be fine by me.

 

[happy_tiger]

There are no conspiracies Cleary will be back at Penrith in 2021 and Nathan will sign there.
He will leave us in a better position than he started and we move on. He will resign Brooks, Marsters and bring in a few players.
We will be stronger and in a position to probably upgrade the coach.

IF that is the case , are we better off moving NOW and getting the best coach available NOW instead of seeing them all pinched off the market and being left with a lesser quality option at that stage

It's a tough question but it needs serious looking at and serious answers

Why are people so certain Cleary will be at Penrith in 2021 ? That would mean that Penrith will appoint a coach to keep the seat warm for two years. They have a roster capable of winning the premiership now. It doesn't make sense that they would not appoint the best man for the job for at least three years.

And what happens if the seat warmer wins Penrith two premierships ? Are they going to dump him anyway and appoint Cleary for 2021 ? Like supercoach says, two years is a long time in the NRL.

The only reason I can think of for Cleary and Penrith agreeing to take the position in 2021 would be to force the Tigers to release him now. Pascoe and Go have both said that Ivan will not be given a release. If so, then Penrith would be stuffed.

In any event, Ivan has already said in his statement that he has not received any offers from Penrith, so for the time being, I'm prepared to believe him.

As I said to Ink I'm just putting it out there , if the club knows Cleary wants out , we might need to be pro active with the coaching market in the shape it currently is ,true ??

Might be far worse in two years time ??

 

[gallagher]

Next year is key, need to see further improvement and must make top 6 (not just scrape in). If we can’t do this a new coach is needed anyway.

Top 6? Thats a stretch. And sacking the coach if it doesn't eventuate?

Have you seen our playing list versus the current top 6 teams?

A scrape into the top 8 and keeping the coach will be fine by me.

If he can only assemble a team that scrapes in then he's not the man for the job.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

It looks like Cleary is not on the ‘ex-captain-born again WT’ approved list, as his supporters keep reminding us :deadhorse:

 

[Roar_Power]

Next year is key, need to see further improvement and must make top 6 (not just scrape in). If we can’t do this a new coach is needed anyway.

Top 6? Thats a stretch. And sacking the coach if it doesn't eventuate?

Have you seen our playing list versus the current top 6 teams?

A scrape into the top 8 and keeping the coach will be fine by me.

If he can only assemble a team that scrapes in then he's not the man for the job.

Fair enough but I dont think that is realistic for 2019\. I would be more confident about that in 2020.

 

[Geo]

There's that next years next year confidence in the heart of every Wests Tigers fan…..

As long as next year is not a drifting year...oh..

 

[bp_tiger]

this thing regarding peachey been on the tigers wish list should he get a release, is confusing. if now ivan thinks he would be good for the club then why where we not getting him before he signed with the titans. was it the fact ivan was hoping he would be at the panthers and wasnt worried about chasing him. just smells some what. the same goes for cory didnt chase him because ????, because as day follows night that deal was done a long time ago, got that from a friend at the dogs.

 

[jrtiger]

this thing regarding peachey been on the tigers wish list should he get a release, is confusing. if now ivan thinks he would be good for the club then why where we not getting him before he signed with the titans. was it the fact ivan was hoping he would be at the panthers and wasnt worried about chasing him. just smells some what. the same goes for cory didnt chase him because ????, because as day follows night that deal was done a long time ago, got that from a friend at the dogs.

Gotta remember the deal was done a long time ago. Brennan is close with a lot of Penrith players, hence why Cartwright and Rein made the trip, and we had Suli and Milne for depth on the left. It's different now with the need for a utility and the lack of depth in the centres and back row, hence why I'm sure we'd be looking at him now.

 

[Geo]

Magneto did it with a magic bullet. ..

 

[cochise]

this thing regarding peachey been on the tigers wish list should he get a release, is confusing. if now ivan thinks he would be good for the club then why where we not getting him before he signed with the titans. was it the fact ivan was hoping he would be at the panthers and wasnt worried about chasing him. just smells some what. the same goes for cory didnt chase him because ????, because as day follows night that deal was done a long time ago, got that from a friend at the dogs.

Who said we didn't chase the both of them?

 

[Russell]

this thing regarding peachey been on the tigers wish list should he get a release, is confusing. if now ivan thinks he would be good for the club then why where we not getting him before he signed with the titans. was it the fact ivan was hoping he would be at the panthers and wasnt worried about chasing him. just smells some what. the same goes for cory didnt chase him because ????, because as day follows night that deal was done a long time ago, got that from a friend at the dogs.

Who said we didn't chase the both of them?

Exactly!