Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

[Steve_k]

Ivan is a myth and we will get more of the same next year with his crappy signings in marshall and farah.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

what's the reason ivan is being so coy.

Is it something to do with nathan contact NEG or his leaving??

Maybe he's fed up with journos asking the same questions he's answered before…. Looks to me like a man that doesn't suffer fools.
Many on this forum call out the media for what they really are.... and when it suits them, side with them

I reckon that's exactly what it is. He's probably over it and is just treating the media with contempt.

more to it than that

Thanks for clearing that up, Ivan. Do you know anything more than the rest of us? If so pony up?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Only the Tigers Board would be able to clear this up, if they came out and confirmed/denied that Ivan went to them seeking a release then we would know that Nathan is staying at the panthers and blood is thicker than water or Ivan is not sincere in his statements as he looks to unite with Nathan over there.
In any case Ivan is not a good communicator and appears to be harbouring discontent through his body language and demeanour.
The Board will not disclose for fear of a backlash so we won’t know anything until something happens - essentially maintain face in the face of adversity.
I guess this ‘FANTASY’ of Nathan making his decision as he blows out his birthday candles will bring it all to a head, it will be constant conjecture until then.
Personally I say cut Ivan loose and move on, you can leed a horse to water but can’t make it drink.

So you are basicaly saying Ivan is a liar

Pretty sure it's been widely reported by the club that he had not asked for a release.

Officially. That doesn't mean he didn't test the waters.

So he still officially didn't ask for a release? Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Joel Helmes]

I have a gut feeling either the Tigers or Panthers are going to implode soon - there’s too much unease at the moment.

Question marks over our coach, no new signings for us (despite every man and his dog knowing we are looking like going backwards next year), no new coach on horizon for Panthers, something has to give.

 

[The_Patriot]

I have said that I am going to trust that Ivan is a man of his word, and I am standing by that - but it is definitely strange that he is playing semantics. All he needs to say is, “look guys, I will be honouring my contract and will be here for the next 2 years at least.” For whatever reason, he has not said that emphatically.

Thing is, he has said that. Almost exactly in those words.

But sensationalist media and people with an IQ below 100 keep harping on and on about the same crap. I'd be impatient and abrupt if I kept having to answer the questions of morons too

No he hasnt. Every statement has been carefully worded.

He is saying he will honour his contractual obligations. All he is really saying is that while the Wests Tigers are asking him to fulfill his contract he will.

If thats good enough for you high IQ guys than so be it, just be ready for the I told you so that will be coming🙂

**He hasn't even gone that far, with "intend" being the limit of his commitment to WT and not a word on any discussion at either club.**

Scott Morrison stated words to the same effect recently, but of course, nothing to see there either. People avoid questioning and refer to previous bland non descriptive statements so that they do not get caught lying, simple.

Yeah as i said earlier, hope these guys standing up for him are ok with a few i told you so's :slight_smile:

 

[dazza65]

Benji says IC is staying….. 😱pen_mouth:

 

[jirskyr]

I have said that I am going to trust that Ivan is a man of his word, and I am standing by that - but it is definitely strange that he is playing semantics. All he needs to say is, “look guys, I will be honouring my contract and will be here for the next 2 years at least.” For whatever reason, he has not said that emphatically.

Thing is, he has said that. Almost exactly in those words.

But sensationalist media and people with an IQ below 100 keep harping on and on about the same crap. I'd be impatient and abrupt if I kept having to answer the questions of morons too

The media are buzzing around Ivan because there are certain facts they are aware of:
* Ivan was having secret meetings at Penrith
* Griffin was told he was sacked because Ivan will be coach next year- from Griffin himself..
* Buzz claimed that at one of those secret meetings Penrith posed a move for Ivan in the future and he said he wanted to fast track it to next year.
These are a questions that not been answered, that’s why the journos are circling.
Obviously as fans we are not privy to what actually transpired but it looks certain that Ivan is desperate to link up with Nathan asap so one can assume it won’t be here.
Everyone is entitled to their own read on this but until these points are categorically denied the journos will keep pressing so we can’t afford to be naive and assume that everything is sweet smelling.
In any case the tigers board are denying Ivan any such move so if he wants to go he will need to continue the sulking.

They aren't facts Tony, not one of them. Cleary had a meeting at Penrith but no indication it was secret. Griffin may have said he was being replaced by Ivan but that's not been verified by any other source, so it's just heresay. Buzz claims XYZ - also not a fact.

Trust me journos will drop this like a hot potato once the finals stop and Tigers disappear from the news - unless Cleary actually does make some move.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Thing is, he has said that. Almost exactly in those words.

But sensationalist media and people with an IQ below 100 keep harping on and on about the same crap. I'd be impatient and abrupt if I kept having to answer the questions of morons too

No he hasnt. Every statement has been carefully worded.

He is saying he will honour his contractual obligations. All he is really saying is that while the Wests Tigers are asking him to fulfill his contract he will.

If thats good enough for you high IQ guys than so be it, just be ready for the I told you so that will be coming🙂

**He hasn't even gone that far, with "intend" being the limit of his commitment to WT and not a word on any discussion at either club.**

Scott Morrison stated words to the same effect recently, but of course, nothing to see there either. People avoid questioning and refer to previous bland non descriptive statements so that they do not get caught lying, simple.

Yeah as i said earlier, hope these guys standing up for him are ok with a few i told you so's :slight_smile:

I am not fussed whether he stays or goes and don't see myself as attacking him in any way, nor do I care if many want to continue "standing up for him". Still, I cannot cop those with English as their first language that continue to state Cleary has put the matter to bed, when Ivan has not even gotten the sheets out.

 

[The_Patriot]

yeah those with them done IQ's over 100 speak more languages than English

 

[innsaneink]

Thing is, he has said that. Almost exactly in those words.

But sensationalist media and people with an IQ below 100 keep harping on and on about the same crap. I'd be impatient and abrupt if I kept having to answer the questions of morons too

No he hasnt. Every statement has been carefully worded.

He is saying he will honour his contractual obligations. All he is really saying is that while the Wests Tigers are asking him to fulfill his contract he will.

If thats good enough for you high IQ guys than so be it, just be ready for the I told you so that will be coming🙂

**He hasn't even gone that far, with "intend" being the limit of his commitment to WT and not a word on any discussion at either club.**

Scott Morrison stated words to the same effect recently, but of course, nothing to see there either. People avoid questioning and refer to previous bland non descriptive statements so that they do not get caught lying, simple.

Yeah as i said earlier, hope these guys standing up for him are ok with a few i told you so's :slight_smile:

You're like a kid hanging out fo Xmas… Whatever makes you feel good.
Some here seem like they have an urgent need to be proved correct... One massive pissing contest.
Body language experts, English language experts... I'm just a footy fan that will wait until whatever happens happens

 

[The_Patriot]

No he hasnt. Every statement has been carefully worded.

He is saying he will honour his contractual obligations. All he is really saying is that while the Wests Tigers are asking him to fulfill his contract he will.

If thats good enough for you high IQ guys than so be it, just be ready for the I told you so that will be coming🙂

**He hasn't even gone that far, with "intend" being the limit of his commitment to WT and not a word on any discussion at either club.**

Scott Morrison stated words to the same effect recently, but of course, nothing to see there either. People avoid questioning and refer to previous bland non descriptive statements so that they do not get caught lying, simple.

Yeah as i said earlier, hope these guys standing up for him are ok with a few i told you so's :slight_smile:

You're like a kid hanging out fo Xmas… Whatever makes you feel good.
Some here seem like they have an urgent need to be proved correct... One massive pissing contest.
Body language experts, English language experts... I'm just a footy fan that will wait until whatever happens happens

Nice impersonal post, not playing the man at all.

Not like you Ink

 

[Guest]

I have said that I am going to trust that Ivan is a man of his word, and I am standing by that - but it is definitely strange that he is playing semantics. All he needs to say is, “look guys, I will be honouring my contract and will be here for the next 2 years at least.” For whatever reason, he has not said that emphatically.

Thing is, he has said that. Almost exactly in those words.

But sensationalist media and people with an IQ below 100 keep harping on and on about the same crap. I'd be impatient and abrupt if I kept having to answer the questions of morons too

The media are buzzing around Ivan because there are certain facts they are aware of:
* Ivan was having secret meetings at Penrith
* Griffin was told he was sacked because Ivan will be coach next year- from Griffin himself..
* Buzz claimed that at one of those secret meetings Penrith posed a move for Ivan in the future and he said he wanted to fast track it to next year.
These are a questions that not been answered, that’s why the journos are circling.
Obviously as fans we are not privy to what actually transpired but it looks certain that Ivan is desperate to link up with Nathan asap so one can assume it won’t be here.
Everyone is entitled to their own read on this but until these points are categorically denied the journos will keep pressing so we can’t afford to be naive and assume that everything is sweet smelling.
In any case the tigers board are denying Ivan any such move so if he wants to go he will need to continue the sulking.

They aren't facts Tony, not one of them. Cleary had a meeting at Penrith but no indication it was secret. Griffin may have said he was being replaced by Ivan but that's not been verified by any other source, so it's just heresay. Buzz claims XYZ - also not a fact.

Trust me journos will drop this like a hot potato once the finals stop and Tigers disappear from the news - unless Cleary actually does make some move.

Tony has made enough posts in this thread to clearly indicate he wouldn't know a fact if he read one.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

No he hasnt. Every statement has been carefully worded.

He is saying he will honour his contractual obligations. All he is really saying is that while the Wests Tigers are asking him to fulfill his contract he will.

If thats good enough for you high IQ guys than so be it, just be ready for the I told you so that will be coming🙂

**He hasn't even gone that far, with "intend" being the limit of his commitment to WT and not a word on any discussion at either club.**

Scott Morrison stated words to the same effect recently, but of course, nothing to see there either. People avoid questioning and refer to previous bland non descriptive statements so that they do not get caught lying, simple.

Yeah as i said earlier, hope these guys standing up for him are ok with a few i told you so's :slight_smile:

You're like a kid hanging out fo Xmas… Whatever makes you feel good.
Some here seem like they have an urgent need to be proved correct... One massive pissing contest.
Body language experts, English language experts... I'm just a footy fan that will wait until whatever happens happens

X100

 

[Black_n_White]

**He hasn't even gone that far, with "intend" being the limit of his commitment to WT and not a word on any discussion at either club.**

Scott Morrison stated words to the same effect recently, but of course, nothing to see there either. People avoid questioning and refer to previous bland non descriptive statements so that they do not get caught lying, simple.

Yeah as i said earlier, hope these guys standing up for him are ok with a few i told you so's :slight_smile:

You're like a kid hanging out fo Xmas… Whatever makes you feel good.
Some here seem like they have an urgent need to be proved correct... One massive pissing contest.
Body language experts, English language experts... I'm just a footy fan that will wait until whatever happens happens

Nice impersonal post, not playing the man at all.

Not like you Ink

not really patriot…. you lined yourself up to rub it in if he goes. I dont have a horse in the Cleary stays or goes race, but rest assured if he sticks around, you will hear about it often.

 

[jirskyr]

Tony has made enough posts in this thread to clearly indicate he wouldn't know a fact if he read one.

FACT

 

[The_Patriot]

Yeah as i said earlier, hope these guys standing up for him are ok with a few i told you so's :slight_smile:

You're like a kid hanging out fo Xmas… Whatever makes you feel good.
Some here seem like they have an urgent need to be proved correct... One massive pissing contest.
Body language experts, English language experts... I'm just a footy fan that will wait until whatever happens happens

Nice impersonal post, not playing the man at all.

Not like you Ink

not really patriot…. you lined yourself up to rub it in if he goes. I dont have a horse in the Cleary stays or goes race, but rest assured if he sticks around, you will hear about it often.

Haha

Join the club.

Now if anyone wants to get back to doing what we are supposed to do on a forum and argue a persons point im happy to hear how Ivan has used words that categorically deny he will be leaving.

 

[851]

You're like a kid hanging out fo Xmas… Whatever makes you feel good.
Some here seem like they have an urgent need to be proved correct... One massive pissing contest.
Body language experts, English language experts... I'm just a footy fan that will wait until whatever happens happens

Nice impersonal post, not playing the man at all.

Not like you Ink

not really patriot…. you lined yourself up to rub it in if he goes. I dont have a horse in the Cleary stays or goes race, but rest assured if he sticks around, you will hear about it often.

Haha

Join the club.

Now if anyone wants to get back to doing what we are supposed to do on a forum and argue a persons point im happy to hear how Ivan has used words that categorically deny he will be leaving.

If Ivan would use those words you speak of, the media circus would stop, instead he uses carefully scripted answers. I like Ivan, I haven't bagged him yet, but he has not gone even close to putting this penrith stuff to bed yet.

 

[innsaneink]

https://www.facebook.com/foxnrl/videos/923518267848050/

 

[TonyTiger]

Thing is, he has said that. Almost exactly in those words.

But sensationalist media and people with an IQ below 100 keep harping on and on about the same crap. I'd be impatient and abrupt if I kept having to answer the questions of morons too

The media are buzzing around Ivan because there are certain facts they are aware of:
* Ivan was having secret meetings at Penrith
* Griffin was told he was sacked because Ivan will be coach next year- from Griffin himself..
* Buzz claimed that at one of those secret meetings Penrith posed a move for Ivan in the future and he said he wanted to fast track it to next year.
These are a questions that not been answered, that’s why the journos are circling.
Obviously as fans we are not privy to what actually transpired but it looks certain that Ivan is desperate to link up with Nathan asap so one can assume it won’t be here.
Everyone is entitled to their own read on this but until these points are categorically denied the journos will keep pressing so we can’t afford to be naive and assume that everything is sweet smelling.
In any case the tigers board are denying Ivan any such move so if he wants to go he will need to continue the sulking.

They aren't facts Tony, not one of them. Cleary had a meeting at Penrith but no indication it was secret. Griffin may have said he was being replaced by Ivan but that's not been verified by any other source, so it's just heresay. Buzz claims XYZ - also not a fact.

Trust me journos will drop this like a hot potato once the finals stop and Tigers disappear from the news - unless Cleary actually does make some move.

Tony has made enough posts in this thread to clearly indicate he wouldn't know a fact if he read one.

? weeping willow … at least you’re reading them before you delete them.

 

[magpiecol]

Death where is thy sting?