Jackson Hastings #251

[pawsandclaws1]

Let's see if he can get out of his current contract first.

Then see how much the transfer fee is or what they want in return.

Personally hope Wigan keep him for the next ten years.

Spot on Russell. I don't want Hastings anywhere near the WTs.

You two happy to see us struggle every week because we have a dud halfback?
Oh, he’s a local junior... that changes everything.?

If you believe Hastings is the answer, the wrong question is being asked to the wrong inidivdual.

So what’s the answer?

We got it right in the first half against the Raiders. It was outstanding to watch the WTs' side have a real dig. This is how we should be playing.

 

[Cairnstigers]


I don't believe that post

 

[TCL]

This is going to be the issue for some fans when it comes to looking at a replacement for Brooks.

A higher than his true value opinion of Luke Brooks will only see them want the best halves in the game as replacements.

Never mind his position and influence on the team is bordering on toxic and unfixiable.

The start to the season has been frustrating and even i as a Brooks fan agree he has been off his game. But to suggest that Hastings is a step up from Brooks based on performances in the UK doesn’t work for me.

Also he may not have got us to a finals appearance but that doesn’t mean that he hasn’t done anything in his 150games. We had, Moses, teddy and woods in our team for a number of those years as well and still didn’t make the finals.

If your saying we have nothing but money to lose by getting him into our team over Brooks then that is view point that I can understand.

Something does need to change but I’m not sure JH is the man. I would rather Reynolds on the right money for 2yrs to guide madden in to first grade.

 

[Newtown]

A win this week makes this all go away. Another performance like last week and the club may as well stop building the CoE at Concord and start building it in Perth.

That’s the problem. Winning.

St. George wasn't used to winning and they won again tonight.

 

[hank37w]

Why didn’t they get him before he went to the UK ?
This club does everything arse about .

They had blind faith in brooks... took two weeks for that to come crashing down ?

If he comes back won’t he have to quarantine ?
I know we’re allowed to dance and sing next Monday ?

Yes, we'll all dance and sing on Monday if we beat Newcastle on Sunday.

 

[hank37w]

Who’s next Todd Carney? Julian O’Neill? Hoppa?

At least there are some bubbling personalities among that group.

 

[jirskyr]

I don’t get it and find it untimely news for us, it’s honestly knocked me for six that we’re already reworking our plans. I’ve only heard how on top of things the club are yet there’s this sudden decision which could potentially destabilise two clubs and possibly impact another.
Add in the fact how much unwanted attention this will attract to the club/team.
Don’t like how this looks at all.

Going off a bit early here Lauren? Several folks have already said Tigers have been interested in Hastings for some 6 months, there's nothing sudden about it. It's not even the first time this has gone public, Hastings has been named as a Tigers target before.

I don't see how it is unprofessional to be working on your roster all the time, trying to improve the roster all the time. It's actually the epitome of professionalism to do risk analysis on your roster and have multiple backup plans in the case your preferred or primary option doesn't work out. The alternative is to have no backup and look a fool if the primary plan fails.

Also - no confirmation from the club that anything has come through, and the talk of an "SOS" is newspaper talk only. Pure speculation at this stage.

If it does happen - I don't see why it destabilises the team. Extra players with ability is only a good thing. If he ends up coming and displacing Brooks, so be it, nobody can say Brooks hasn't been given fair chance. Nobody will be complaining if he's a better halfback or lock than what we have, and Tigers have not paid top dollar for a risky purchase since Ivan Cleary's time - it's no longer part of the strategy to take those kinds of gambles.

But all still pure speculation at this time, we needn't worry about it too much.

 

[cktiger]

I remember before we signed Cory Thompson there was about 0 people thinking he would start because he came from super league and had already had a stint in the NRL...

Don't write players off just cause they're from overseas. Plenty of ESL players have been making an impact over here lately

Corey Thompson had a bit of NRL experience prior to going to ESL. Many were surprised he wasn't picked up by another NRL club. No one was surprised Hastings went to ESL. I don't believe any club wanted the drama in their dressing sheds.

Rubbish.
No one except us wanted Thompson .. who had nowhere near the success that Hastings has had in Super League.

 

[Lauren]

I don’t get it and find it untimely news for us, it’s honestly knocked me for six that we’re already reworking our plans. I’ve only heard how on top of things the club are yet there’s this sudden decision which could potentially destabilise two clubs and possibly impact another.
Add in the fact how much unwanted attention this will attract to the club/team.
Don’t like how this looks at all.

Going off a bit early here Lauren? Several folks have already said Tigers have been interested in Hastings for some 6 months, there's nothing sudden about it. It's not even the first time this has gone public, Hastings has been named as a Tigers target before.

I don't see how it is unprofessional to be working on your roster all the time, trying to improve the roster all the time. It's actually the epitome of professionalism to do risk analysis on your roster and have multiple backup plans in the case your preferred or primary option doesn't work out. The alternative is to have no backup and look a fool if the primary plan fails.

Also - no confirmation from the club that anything has come through, and the talk of an "SOS" is newspaper talk only. Pure speculation at this stage.

If it does happen - I don't see why it destabilises the team. Extra players with ability is only a good thing. If he ends up coming and displacing Brooks, so be it, nobody can say Brooks hasn't been given fair chance. Nobody will be complaining if he's a better halfback or lock than what we have, and Tigers have not paid top dollar for a risky purchase since Ivan Cleary's time - it's no longer part of the strategy to take those kinds of gambles.

But all still pure speculation at this time, we needn't worry about it too much.

The off-season saw us testing a new spine combination and since then we've had yet another player join the club, so I'm therefore talking about the unexpected news or speculation included in this article about our current half back, think I've made it pretty obvious that it's about making forced changes - which doesn't just include Brooks but also, Madden, Laurie, Mbye or other potential halves.
That's the very definition of destabilising to cause unrest or disturbances.

Think I also mentioned it enough times to suggest I'm talking about it from a fan perspective to not want to hear this type of crap in the news right now.
My comments on management are obviously personal thoughts - but included facts - and just because you're not in agreeance with them or take offence, I think you're being quite rude to call it a blow up.
Thought the forum was a safe place to vent about anything Tigers related.

 

[TrueTiger]

Wigan don't want to release him apparently

That’s just them saying show us the money. They want a transfer fee which is fair enough.

Well that de-escalated quickly..

You reckon we’ll get him this year Geo?

Not sure..Hastings has been discussed for 6 months with a view to 2022..they hadn't approached Wigan for an early release at that stage at all

Chammas article is Sam Ayoub 101..timing is everything

Not sure apart from cash is in it for Wigan a pretty pivotal position they would need to find a replacement where halves are just as scarce in the ESL as they are in the NRL..

I don't get it and find it untimely news for us, it's honestly knocked me for six that we're already reworking our plans. I've only heard how on top of things the club are yet there's this sudden decision which could potentially destabilise two clubs and possibly impact another.
Add in the fact how much unwanted attention this will attract to the club/team.
Don't like how this looks at all.
Nothing against our target, as I don't even know who he is.
Poor Cowboys fans thought Ben Barba was the second coming of Jesus when signing him after his Man of Steel win. So think I'll reserve any judgement/opinion on how much a saviour he'll be.

Someone on here said we're in uncharted territory but I see the exact same storyline playing out.
It began with Scott Prince and Brett Hodgson and hasn't changed much at all since then - Tim Moltzen, Shannon McDonnell, Robert Lui, Luke Brooks, Jacob Liddle, James Tedesco, Tui Lolohea, Benjia Marshall, Robbie Farah, Moses Mbye, Adam Doueihi, Pita Godinet, Matt Ballin.
This club has a way of tempting fate.

Lauren,I dont know much about Hastings either,however something isnt right with Brooks...he has gotten worse since a bad year last year...people can blame the coach and any other reason,,,in my opinion and Johns and Fittler both agreed that the forwards did a heck of a lot of work in the lead up attack in the Roosters game and LUKE kicked the ball dead 3 times killing all momentum and giving them 7 tackle sets, no wonder the players were out on their feet come the last 15/20 mins...
BJ and AJ didnt help matters,but we have heard and said many times that Luke must guide and control this team....apparently Madge is at witts end about what to do,this is why the Hastings talk I would imagine....cheers mate...

Don't even want to get into the reasons sorry, think it's been dissected and discussed at length. I'm specifically talking about how unprofessional and indecisive we look as a club. That's all.
It's why I used all those players as examples. We're only good for bandaid solutions in that aspect and nothing seems well thought-out

Well sorry I tried to explain a couple of things Lauren,however we have been bandaiding lots of things within this club for years now not just this year..It always looks tough when the organisation goes through a culture change which this joint has needed for a long time....Rumours,speculation abounds year to year,this one about Hastings has been thrown around for months...lets wait and see what happens when and if the club makes an announcement...

 

[Lauren]

Wigan don't want to release him apparently

That’s just them saying show us the money. They want a transfer fee which is fair enough.

Well that de-escalated quickly..

You reckon we’ll get him this year Geo?

Not sure..Hastings has been discussed for 6 months with a view to 2022..they hadn't approached Wigan for an early release at that stage at all

Chammas article is Sam Ayoub 101..timing is everything

Not sure apart from cash is in it for Wigan a pretty pivotal position they would need to find a replacement where halves are just as scarce in the ESL as they are in the NRL..

I don't get it and find it untimely news for us, it's honestly knocked me for six that we're already reworking our plans. I've only heard how on top of things the club are yet there's this sudden decision which could potentially destabilise two clubs and possibly impact another.
Add in the fact how much unwanted attention this will attract to the club/team.
Don't like how this looks at all.
Nothing against our target, as I don't even know who he is.
Poor Cowboys fans thought Ben Barba was the second coming of Jesus when signing him after his Man of Steel win. So think I'll reserve any judgement/opinion on how much a saviour he'll be.

Someone on here said we're in uncharted territory but I see the exact same storyline playing out.
It began with Scott Prince and Brett Hodgson and hasn't changed much at all since then - Tim Moltzen, Shannon McDonnell, Robert Lui, Luke Brooks, Jacob Liddle, James Tedesco, Tui Lolohea, Benjia Marshall, Robbie Farah, Moses Mbye, Adam Doueihi, Pita Godinet, Matt Ballin.
This club has a way of tempting fate.

Lauren,I dont know much about Hastings either,however something isnt right with Brooks...he has gotten worse since a bad year last year...people can blame the coach and any other reason,,,in my opinion and Johns and Fittler both agreed that the forwards did a heck of a lot of work in the lead up attack in the Roosters game and LUKE kicked the ball dead 3 times killing all momentum and giving them 7 tackle sets, no wonder the players were out on their feet come the last 15/20 mins...
BJ and AJ didnt help matters,but we have heard and said many times that Luke must guide and control this team....apparently Madge is at witts end about what to do,this is why the Hastings talk I would imagine....cheers mate...

Don't even want to get into the reasons sorry, think it's been dissected and discussed at length. I'm specifically talking about how unprofessional and indecisive we look as a club. That's all.
It's why I used all those players as examples. We're only good for bandaid solutions in that aspect and nothing seems well thought-out

Well sorry I tried to explain a couple of things Lauren,however we have been bandaiding lots of things within this club for years now not just this year..It always looks tough when the organisation goes through a culture change which this joint has needed for a long time....Rumours,speculation abounds year to year,this one about Hastings has been thrown around for months...**lets wait and see what happens** when and if the club makes an announcement...

Sorry that wasn't directed at you @TrueTiger.
Thanks for making the effort as I genuinely appreciate your manner.
I more than agree and once again thanks for clearing it up.

 

[rustycage]

I like the idea of having him as a ball playing lock - although I think that is just cover to not say that they dont have faith in Brooks tbh. He is slower than Doueihi which is why I dont mind the idea of having him at lock. It would be one of the slowest half pairings in the world lol.

Slowest half pairings?...
But he has such fast hair-cuts...?
That's why Poopen-Sheisen is so quick... It's coz he looks like Sonic The Hedgehog...
Our squad needs a new barber.
One who specialises in the Eye of the Tiger Cut!


hopefully we get a dedicated space in the centre of eggcellence.

You spelt eggshells wrong

 

[clontarfkid]

Early days,but both big bucks props are both shaping up as Packer 2.0
Madge chose em,and its his job to motivate them

I disagree a bit. Tamou is on 350k per year. I have no idea about Joe O but I doubt it's too much as he wouldn't have been upgraded on his Broncos contract.

They both though don't look like being anywhere near our top middle forwards this year. I don't think they are anywhere near Packer level in contract dollars, length of contract and output. I though Joe O was pretty good both games.

Not buying the $350 Tamou one little bit tbh..that figure was clubspin..his $$ were what triggered Aloi out of the club
Joffa heaviliy subsidised this year ,but SOO forwards dont come cheap obgoing .Not seeing the aggression and impact that say Souths served up to Easts last nite,and think youlll see a lot more from Musgrave Sunday who has a simliiar role
The 2 seniors got rolled by Roosters reserve grade pack whatever we paid them,and the effort was nowhere near good enuff

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I remember before we signed Cory Thompson there was about 0 people thinking he would start because he came from super league and had already had a stint in the NRL...

Don't write players off just cause they're from overseas. Plenty of ESL players have been making an impact over here lately

Corey Thompson had a bit of NRL experience prior to going to ESL. Many were surprised he wasn't picked up by another NRL club. No one was surprised Hastings went to ESL. I don't believe any club wanted the drama in their dressing sheds.

Rubbish.
No one except us wanted Thompson .. who had nowhere near the success that Hastings has had in Super League.

With all the success Hastings has had in the UK and considering the position he plays is in demand in the NRL, clubs appear to be avoiding him. Why is that CK?

Corey Thompson has enjoyed a very good NRL career.

 

[Twodogs]

Why didn’t they get him before he went to the UK ?
This club does everything arse about .

Read the fluff articles saying it's Brooks team and his time to shine. Now reality has hit them right between the eyes.

But it was his time to shine. He simply failed. Time to cut our losses.

 

[tigerbenji]

Think the stumbling block with Hastings was a 200000 quid transfer fee to break his contract,which gets counted against our cap and is essentially dead money
But were a dead and buried club in 2021 unless we get a defence coach AND an organising half,and neither Brooks nor Douhi nor Mbye are the latter
Madge has to roll the dice on Hastings to save his own coaching career IMO...he's bought more deadwood than Ivan tbh, with only Lucy and Laurie having a crack and looking like NRL contenders.
Joffa/Tamou/Douhi/JoeyL and Koepa either underperforming or just dont have sufficient skills to make it,and JtJ too early to tell whether he still has it
I like Madge,but so far Im VERY underwhelmed.Needs stronger recruitment and retention plus player indivudual skill development (most are going backwards),and new approaches to fire up motivation and ownership ,particularly in defence
Were heading for an armwrestle with the Broncos for the spoonspoon unless something changes..fast
Madge deserves better,but he gotta deliver as I dont want another 3 years of this rubbish


Transfer fees dont count against the cap. The player doesnt get the money.

You are spot on mate.

 

[rihannafan1]

Early days,but both big bucks props are both shaping up as Packer 2.0
Madge chose em,and its his job to motivate them

I disagree a bit. Tamou is on 350k per year. I have no idea about Joe O but I doubt it's too much as he wouldn't have been upgraded on his Broncos contract.

They both though don't look like being anywhere near our top middle forwards this year. I don't think they are anywhere near Packer level in contract dollars, length of contract and output. I though Joe O was pretty good both games.

Not buying the $350 Tamou one little bit tbh..that figure was clubspin..his $$ were what triggered Aloi out of the club
Joffa heaviliy subsidised this year ,but SOO forwards dont come cheap obgoing .Not seeing the aggression and impact that say Souths served up to Easts last nite,and think youlll see a lot more from Musgrave Sunday who has a simliiar role
The 2 seniors got rolled by Roosters reserve grade pack whatever we paid them,and the effort was nowhere near good enuff

lol sure sure that's why Aloiai left. What did we offer him, since you know so much about the situation? Was it close to the 600k Manly offered? Because from the outside that's what really seemed to get him to move.

 

[voice_of_reason]

I wonder if the Roosters suddenly come into the equation with Keary out for the year.

 

[tigerbenji]

I don’t get it and find it untimely news for us, it’s honestly knocked me for six that we’re already reworking our plans. I’ve only heard how on top of things the club are yet there’s this sudden decision which could potentially destabilise two clubs and possibly impact another.
Add in the fact how much unwanted attention this will attract to the club/team.
Don’t like how this looks at all.

Going off a bit early here Lauren? Several folks have already said Tigers have been interested in Hastings for some 6 months, there's nothing sudden about it. It's not even the first time this has gone public, Hastings has been named as a Tigers target before.

I don't see how it is unprofessional to be working on your roster all the time, trying to improve the roster all the time. It's actually the epitome of professionalism to do risk analysis on your roster and have multiple backup plans in the case your preferred or primary option doesn't work out. The alternative is to have no backup and look a fool if the primary plan fails.

Also - no confirmation from the club that anything has come through, and the talk of an "SOS" is newspaper talk only. Pure speculation at this stage.

If it does happen - I don't see why it destabilises the team. Extra players with ability is only a good thing. If he ends up coming and displacing Brooks, so be it, nobody can say Brooks hasn't been given fair chance. Nobody will be complaining if he's a better halfback or lock than what we have, and Tigers have not paid top dollar for a risky purchase since Ivan Cleary's time - it's no longer part of the strategy to take those kinds of gambles.

But all still pure speculation at this time, we needn't worry about it too much.

Your talking to much sense, be careful, Lol.

 

[earl]

Not buying the $350 Tamou one little bit tbh…that figure was clubspin…his $$ were what triggered Aloi out of the club

I understand a different perspective on players but this is a rewriting of history. Aloiai
is though significantly a better player than Tamou and Joe O. I just think Aloiai on 600k is not as good a deal as those two guys even though I have no idea how much Joe O is on.

I'm pretty confident the club didn't pay Tamou more than 350k. He is at the back end of his career.