JTs Presser..after Dogs game..

@tigerman80 said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
@hobbo2803 said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
The more i read this thread the more i realize the JT basher's are finding it harder and harder to complain about him given our record since the Raiders game, so have to resort to insignificant arguments like this. We're hardly paying Ballin a cent for god's sake. Get over it.

Before we all can "get over it " can you provide the pityfull monetary sum that we are paying Ballin ?

It's common sense. Ballin re-signed with Manly for 2 yrs. Afterwards Toovey is sacked and Barrett doesn't see him in his plans (sound familiar?). So we come along and offer to take him. With 2 yrs running on his contract, are we going pay all of it, or try and pay as little as possible knowing Manly already have an obligation and Barrett doesn't want him?

He would have re-signed for minimum $350k. Manly bought Tapau, Myles, Brown, Korasiuo, Walker, parcell, plus re signed cherry evans on 1.2 million. I highely doubt they could afford to pay most of his wages and stay under the cap. At best we would be paying half his wages if not more. What a waste of money, just admit it :slight_smile:

You ''highly doubt''. In other words ''i don't think they could have, but it's possible''.
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
The more i read this thread the more i realize the JT basher's are finding it harder and harder to complain about him given our record since the Raiders game, so have to resort to insignificant arguments like this. We're hardly paying Ballin a cent for god's sake. Get over it.

I'm willing to acknowledge that Taylor's coaching may be better than some of us have thought at various stages - though I'd like to see a proper run of good results against legitimately decent teams before proclaiming him the next super coach. But his roster management has been resolutely crap. Maybe things will improve with different personnel pulling the strings at executive level.
 
@tigerman80 said:
@Balmain Boy said:
Tigerman80\. Do you not understand that there is no way in hell that Liddle could have been in the top 25 this season? He was a 19 year old on an NYC contact and the 4/5th choice hooker at the club on an existing NYC contract. He would never have been in our top 25 earners unless we were already paying him massive overs (thank god we're not!).

Buchanan did leave which openend a spot for JJ, but realistically we aren't going to lose many top 25 players during the season.

Measure the success of Ballin at the end of next year. To sign an experienced and incredibly professional player is a good move for the club. He was expected and was on track to be back early in the season. Then complications arose as he was getting back into it. If we are paying him something crazy like 100k over 2 years for a role model of his calibre, then that's not too bad in itself. If he plays 15 games next season then we've come out on top in this deal.

Think how unprofessional our club has been on and off the field. We are rank amateurs in almost every manner and it shows. The more players that come in and help foster a new culture which can set us up for the next decade the better.

So what your saying is that you cant be in the top 25 players in a team if your only 19?? Why is that??? If Taylor had decided that Cherrington wasnt in his plans, then obviously Liddle was next in line. Id much rather him invest in Liddle at the start of the year then in Ballin. I didnt realise though that Ballin while in rehab and with limited training sessions with the first team had actually changed the whole culture of our club :crazy . The only ones defending Ballin are the guys who wont admit Ballin was nothing but a mindgame that JT tried to use on Farah to move him on.

So if Ballin is playing next year, and Farah is still here, Liddle is playing another year of reserve grade. Another masterstroke for our future. So Ballin and Farah retire at the end of next year, and Liddle takes over with no first grade experience, wow.

Hmm, not sure if you're more :question: or :brick: .

Liddle wasn't in our top 25 because he was our 4th or 5th choice hooker at the time. How many hookers do you expect the club to have in our top 25?

Cherrington was in JT's plans. Only over the course of the season has JT determined his preference for the future being Liddle > Cherry but contracts were already in effect and couldn't be changed at that point, unless someone left. Which they haven't. It's black and white.

Next year we can only hope that farah leaves so we can sign/re-sign the players we need to, and have a balanced squad.
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@hobbo2803 said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
The more i read this thread the more i realize the JT basher's are finding it harder and harder to complain about him given our record since the Raiders game, so have to resort to insignificant arguments like this. We're hardly paying Ballin a cent for god's sake. Get over it.

Before we all can "get over it " can you provide the pityfull monetary sum that we are paying Ballin ?

It's common sense. Ballin re-signed with Manly for 2 yrs. Afterwards Toovey is sacked and Barrett doesn't see him in his plans (sound familiar?). So we come along and offer to take him. With 2 yrs running on his contract, are we going pay all of it, or try and pay as little as possible knowing Manly already have an obligation and Barrett doesn't want him?

Well that was more spin than a politician :wink:
But carry on …..
 
@hobbo2803 said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
@hobbo2803 said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
The more i read this thread the more i realize the JT basher's are finding it harder and harder to complain about him given our record since the Raiders game, so have to resort to insignificant arguments like this. We're hardly paying Ballin a cent for god's sake. Get over it.

Before we all can "get over it " can you provide the pityfull monetary sum that we are paying Ballin ?

It's common sense. Ballin re-signed with Manly for 2 yrs. Afterwards Toovey is sacked and Barrett doesn't see him in his plans (sound familiar?). So we come along and offer to take him. With 2 yrs running on his contract, are we going pay all of it, or try and pay as little as possible knowing Manly already have an obligation and Barrett doesn't want him?

Well that was more spin than a politician :wink:
But carry on …..

You believe the opposite?
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@hobbo2803 said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
@hobbo2803 said:
Before we all can "get over it " can you provide the pityfull monetary sum that we are paying Ballin ?

It's common sense. Ballin re-signed with Manly for 2 yrs. Afterwards Toovey is sacked and Barrett doesn't see him in his plans (sound familiar?). So we come along and offer to take him. With 2 yrs running on his contract, are we going pay all of it, or try and pay as little as possible knowing Manly already have an obligation and Barrett doesn't want him?

Well that was more spin than a politician :wink:
But carry on …..

You believe the opposite?

I dont know , but you've been harping on for a while that our clubs contribution towards Ballin's salary is a meager pittance .
That's why I asked you for the figures .
 
@Balmain Boy said:
@tigerman80 said:
@Balmain Boy said:
Tigerman80\. Do you not understand that there is no way in hell that Liddle could have been in the top 25 this season? He was a 19 year old on an NYC contact and the 4/5th choice hooker at the club on an existing NYC contract. He would never have been in our top 25 earners unless we were already paying him massive overs (thank god we're not!).

Buchanan did leave which openend a spot for JJ, but realistically we aren't going to lose many top 25 players during the season.

Measure the success of Ballin at the end of next year. To sign an experienced and incredibly professional player is a good move for the club. He was expected and was on track to be back early in the season. Then complications arose as he was getting back into it. If we are paying him something crazy like 100k over 2 years for a role model of his calibre, then that's not too bad in itself. If he plays 15 games next season then we've come out on top in this deal.

Think how unprofessional our club has been on and off the field. We are rank amateurs in almost every manner and it shows. The more players that come in and help foster a new culture which can set us up for the next decade the better.

So what your saying is that you cant be in the top 25 players in a team if your only 19?? Why is that??? If Taylor had decided that Cherrington wasnt in his plans, then obviously Liddle was next in line. Id much rather him invest in Liddle at the start of the year then in Ballin. I didnt realise though that Ballin while in rehab and with limited training sessions with the first team had actually changed the whole culture of our club :crazy . The only ones defending Ballin are the guys who wont admit Ballin was nothing but a mindgame that JT tried to use on Farah to move him on.

So if Ballin is playing next year, and Farah is still here, Liddle is playing another year of reserve grade. Another masterstroke for our future. So Ballin and Farah retire at the end of next year, and Liddle takes over with no first grade experience, wow.

Hmm, not sure if you're more :question: or :brick: .

Liddle wasn't in our top 25 because he was our 4th or 5th choice hooker at the time. How many hookers do you expect the club to have in our top 25?

Cherrington was in JT's plans. Only over the course of the season has JT determined his preference for the future being Liddle Cherry but contracts were already in effect and couldn't be changed at that point, unless someone left. Which they haven't. It's black and white.

Next year we can only hope that farah leaves so we can sign/re-sign the players we need to, and have a balanced squad.

Okay Einstein, so Cherrington was in our Top 25 but after 2 rounds JT decided he wasnt. Ballin was in our Top 25 but wasnt able to play till Round 10, then went down again. My point is, which is pretty simple, read it slowwwlllly, is that we should have taken a punt on Liddle and he should have our 3rd in line hooker to begin with. Its bad roster management no matter which you spin it . :deadhorse:
 
Rarely, if ever have I read as much off topic crap in a page or few on this forum. Maybe time to change the title.

Regardless if a Farah lover/hater and one's medical opinion on Ballin or as a player/person, the words VERY FAVOURABLE TERMS, or words to that effect from our CEO should allow no room for bickering.

Of course if you don't agree, then you could just write …... na na na na na, I was right and knew it would happen .......
 
@tigerman80 said:
@Balmain Boy said:
@tigerman80 said:
@Balmain Boy said:
Tigerman80\. Do you not understand that there is no way in hell that Liddle could have been in the top 25 this season? He was a 19 year old on an NYC contact and the 4/5th choice hooker at the club on an existing NYC contract. He would never have been in our top 25 earners unless we were already paying him massive overs (thank god we're not!).

Buchanan did leave which openend a spot for JJ, but realistically we aren't going to lose many top 25 players during the season.

Measure the success of Ballin at the end of next year. To sign an experienced and incredibly professional player is a good move for the club. He was expected and was on track to be back early in the season. Then complications arose as he was getting back into it. If we are paying him something crazy like 100k over 2 years for a role model of his calibre, then that's not too bad in itself. If he plays 15 games next season then we've come out on top in this deal.

Think how unprofessional our club has been on and off the field. We are rank amateurs in almost every manner and it shows. The more players that come in and help foster a new culture which can set us up for the next decade the better.

So what your saying is that you cant be in the top 25 players in a team if your only 19?? Why is that??? If Taylor had decided that Cherrington wasnt in his plans, then obviously Liddle was next in line. Id much rather him invest in Liddle at the start of the year then in Ballin. I didnt realise though that Ballin while in rehab and with limited training sessions with the first team had actually changed the whole culture of our club :crazy . The only ones defending Ballin are the guys who wont admit Ballin was nothing but a mindgame that JT tried to use on Farah to move him on.

So if Ballin is playing next year, and Farah is still here, Liddle is playing another year of reserve grade. Another masterstroke for our future. So Ballin and Farah retire at the end of next year, and Liddle takes over with no first grade experience, wow.

Hmm, not sure if you're more :question: or :brick: .

Liddle wasn't in our top 25 because he was our 4th or 5th choice hooker at the time. How many hookers do you expect the club to have in our top 25?

Cherrington was in JT's plans. Only over the course of the season has JT determined his preference for the future being Liddle Cherry but contracts were already in effect and couldn't be changed at that point, unless someone left. Which they haven't. It's black and white.

Next year we can only hope that farah leaves so we can sign/re-sign the players we need to, and have a balanced squad.

Okay Einstein, so Cherrington was in our Top 25 but after 2 rounds JT decided he wasnt. Ballin was in our Top 25 but wasnt able to play till Round 10, then went down again. My point is, which is pretty simple, read it slowwwlllly, is that we should have taken a punt on Liddle and he should have our 3rd in line hooker to begin with. Its bad roster management no matter which you spin it . :deadhorse:

Manaia was and still is in our top 25\. He was rightfully considered well ahead of Liddle at the start of the year as an older and more complete player. A combination of performance, defence and injury has meant that Liddle has now moved ahead of him. Liddle was still young and raw at the start of the season, and most judges still had Cherry down as our future long term hooker.

Why would Liddle want to sign a deal if another young player had already been earmarked as the long term future in his position? You can't predict these things and pushing Manaia aside at the start of the season would have been a crazy move.

Also while Ballin was injured when we signed him, he'd never had a serious injury before and was known as one of the fittest and most professional players in the comp. How does one predict that he'll have complications? You say just based on age? Rubbish.

Your whole argument is reactionary, and based on a series of events which were unforeseeable at the time. Good night.
 
@Balmain Boy said:
@tigerman80 said:
@Balmain Boy said:
@tigerman80 said:
So what your saying is that you cant be in the top 25 players in a team if your only 19?? Why is that??? If Taylor had decided that Cherrington wasnt in his plans, then obviously Liddle was next in line. Id much rather him invest in Liddle at the start of the year then in Ballin. I didnt realise though that Ballin while in rehab and with limited training sessions with the first team had actually changed the whole culture of our club :crazy . The only ones defending Ballin are the guys who wont admit Ballin was nothing but a mindgame that JT tried to use on Farah to move him on.

So if Ballin is playing next year, and Farah is still here, Liddle is playing another year of reserve grade. Another masterstroke for our future. So Ballin and Farah retire at the end of next year, and Liddle takes over with no first grade experience, wow.

Hmm, not sure if you're more :question: or :brick: .

Liddle wasn't in our top 25 because he was our 4th or 5th choice hooker at the time. How many hookers do you expect the club to have in our top 25?

Cherrington was in JT's plans. Only over the course of the season has JT determined his preference for the future being Liddle Cherry but contracts were already in effect and couldn't be changed at that point, unless someone left. Which they haven't. It's black and white.

Next year we can only hope that farah leaves so we can sign/re-sign the players we need to, and have a balanced squad.

Okay Einstein, so Cherrington was in our Top 25 but after 2 rounds JT decided he wasnt. Ballin was in our Top 25 but wasnt able to play till Round 10, then went down again. My point is, which is pretty simple, read it slowwwlllly, is that we should have taken a punt on Liddle and he should have our 3rd in line hooker to begin with. Its bad roster management no matter which you spin it . :deadhorse:

Manaia was and still is in our top 25\. He was rightfully considered well ahead of Liddle at the start of the year as an older and more complete player. A combination of performance, defence and injury has meant that Liddle has now moved ahead of him. Liddle was still young and raw at the start of the season, and most judges still had Cherry down as our future long term hooker.

Why would Liddle want to sign a deal if another young player had already been earmarked as the long term future in his position? You can't predict these things and pushing Manaia aside at the start of the season would have been a crazy move.

Also while Ballin was injured when we signed him, he'd never had a serious injury before and was known as one of the fittest and most professional players in the comp. How does one predict that he'll have complications? You say just based on age? Rubbish.

Your whole argument is reactionary, and based on a series of events which were unforeseeable at the time. Good night.

Okay you win your right. It was a smart decision to have 5 hookers on our books, while our future hooker is stuck jn reservr grade. Especially with Ballin coming on board at age 32 after coming off a knee reconstruction, would possibly go wrong there. Lol ok you win.
 
Doesn't matter who is responsible for signing him or how favourable the contract was - it was and is a dud signing.
 
I personally think the caps are being used as an excuse.

We were told at the start of the year that we had no cap space.

Then we managed to sign Elijah Taylor.

We've not used many players outside the top 25 often either, so i find it hard to believe that we are at the limit of the second tier cap, yet Newcastle isn't.
 
@madunit said:
I personally think the caps are being used as an excuse.

We were told at the start of the year that we had no cap space.

Then we managed to sign Elijah Taylor.

We've not used many players outside the top 25 often either, so i find it hard to believe that we are at the limit of the second tier cap, yet Newcastle isn't.

X 2
I agree
 
@madunit said:
I personally think the caps are being used as an excuse.

We were told at the start of the year that we had no cap space.

Then we managed to sign Elijah Taylor.

We've not used many players outside the top 25 often either, so i find it hard to believe that we are at the limit of the second tier cap, yet Newcastle isn't.

The story about Liddle getting permission to play although we'd exceeded our 2nd tier cap was on the NRL website, so I think that's a safe bet.

With the main cap, there's always an element of balderdash.
 
@tigermac88 said:
@madunit said:
I personally think the caps are being used as an excuse.

We were told at the start of the year that we had no cap space.

Then we managed to sign Elijah Taylor.

We've not used many players outside the top 25 often either, so i find it hard to believe that we are at the limit of the second tier cap, yet Newcastle isn't.

X 2
I agree

We haven't used that many players. But if you add these 9 on top of our 17, then we are up to 26.
Ballin, Molone , Cherrington, Littlejohn, Sirro, Edwards, Hunt, Buc, MCK,
 
Ballin, cherrington, Sironen, Buchanan were all part of the top 25 and didn't use up the 2nd tier cap.

Id argue that most of Milone, Littlejohn, Edwards, chee kam and hunt were in top 25 squad as well.

Addo Carr wasnt in top 25\. Felise and Aloiai may not be either
 
:sunglasses:

@madunit said:
I personally think the caps are being used as an excuse.

We were told at the start of the year that we had no cap space.

Then we managed to sign Elijah Taylor.

We've not used many players outside the top 25 often either, so i find it hard to believe that we are at the limit of the second tier cap, yet Newcastle isn't.

Buchanan, Parahi and McConnachie were released and Lawrence restructured, there is some money there.
 
@jirskyr said:
:sunglasses:

@madunit said:
I personally think the caps are being used as an excuse.

We were told at the start of the year that we had no cap space.

Then we managed to sign Elijah Taylor.

We've not used many players outside the top 25 often either, so i find it hard to believe that we are at the limit of the second tier cap, yet Newcastle isn't.

Buchanan, Parahi and McConnachie were released and Lawrence restructured, there is some money there.

Add in Drinkwater Liolevave and Fine who were all top tier players…

As well as the Pamfers picking up some of Taylor's contract for this year...
 
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