Lack of quality assistants

@the_patriot said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1360845) said:
Good discussion.

We really need an injection of youth and new thoughts.

Question is can the board ceo people over madgr identify this and do it delicately ?
 
@needaname said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1360766) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1360720) said:
@tigerstar said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1360649) said:
We are having one of our worst seasons ever, tactically we seem to be behind a lot of teams with our structures etc.

Looking over other clubs coaching rosters the top clubs seem to have assistants with head coach experience or highly regarded future first grade coaches.

I believe this is an area we can and need to improve on. For what ever reason we have no name guys that aren't cutting the mustard our attack and defence sucks. We need results and the best possible coaches available to help Madge.

The footy department need to open there wallets and get the club some tactical minds to help Madge out. Guys like John Morris or even Geoff Toovey should be sounded out to bring in some fresh ideas. Your thoughts?

Seibold available?

Nope working with the Knights.

Thank god. Last thing we need is that soft sook around the club.
"People don't like me because I'm an academic". What sort of blouse says something like that?
 
@earl said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1360879) said:
@crazycat said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1360818) said:
Former club Captain always wressling. Always challenging the players. Always pushing them harder.

I know for a fact we have a wrestling coach who pushes them. The guy is as hard as nails.

He is a mate and we talk about the team and about their wrestling. He reckons they should train even harder but he is a nut.

Fighters tend to over train with the belief that the fight should be easy compared to the training. The thing is they fight every couple of months rather than play a game every week.

Judging by their performances I would've thought our wrestling sessions would've looked something like this
![99443174-portrait-of-a-laughing-young-couple-having-pillow-fight-on-bed-at-home.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1620871239526-99443174-portrait-of-a-laughing-young-couple-having-pillow-fight-on-bed-at-home.jpg)
 
@demps said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1360774) said:
Morris would be the best available assistant... surely.

Wouldn't being an assistant at the Tigers for any assistant be like something you wouldn't want on your resume .....

CEO : So I see you have a gap in your resume from 2017-2019 .....

Assistant Coach : I took a sabbatical from the game lol
 
We definitely need some youth and fresh ideas. Not just for the sake of it though. We did have Webster and he didn't seem to do much for us. But the game has changed a lot and the guys we have are all grumpy old men that don't seem to be able to connect with our players.
 
@balmain-boy said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1360947) said:
We definitely need some youth and fresh ideas. Not just for the sake of it though. We did have Webster and he didn't seem to do much for us. But the game has changed a lot and the guys we have are all grumpy old men that don't seem to be able to connect with our players.

Bellamy is a grumpy old man ,Bennett is a grumpy old man ,Gould .......

We just gotta get the right grumpy old men ...as long as they have moved with the times
 
@fade-to-black said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1360939) said:
@earl said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1360879) said:
@crazycat said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1360818) said:
Former club Captain always wressling. Always challenging the players. Always pushing them harder.

I know for a fact we have a wrestling coach who pushes them. The guy is as hard as nails.

He is a mate and we talk about the team and about their wrestling. He reckons they should train even harder but he is a nut.

Fighters tend to over train with the belief that the fight should be easy compared to the training. The thing is they fight every couple of months rather than play a game every week.

Judging by their performances I would've thought our wrestling sessions would've looked something like this
![99443174-portrait-of-a-laughing-young-couple-having-pillow-fight-on-bed-at-home.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1620871239526-99443174-portrait-of-a-laughing-young-couple-having-pillow-fight-on-bed-at-home.jpg)

I can guarantee that it wouldn't be like that.
 
@wounded_magpie said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1360930) said:
Andrew Webster was let go by the Tigers as an assistant.
He seems to be having some success now at Penrith

See, everything Ivan touches turns to gold.😁
 
@tigerstar said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1360649) said:
We are having one of our worst seasons ever, tactically we seem to be behind a lot of teams with our structures etc.

Looking over other clubs coaching rosters the top clubs seem to have assistants with head coach experience or highly regarded future first grade coaches.

I believe this is an area we can and need to improve on. For what ever reason we have no name guys that aren't cutting the mustard our attack and defence sucks. We need results and the best possible coaches available to help Madge.

The footy department need to open there wallets and get the club some tactical minds to help Madge out. Guys like John Morris or even Geoff Toovey should be sounded out to bring in some fresh ideas. Your thoughts?

Problems is we have let our coaches in the lower grades go instead of grooming them into First Grade coaches at our own club

Hodgson and Payten come to mind

Madge wanted his own people and they are as one eyed as him

Ronnie Palmer and Simon Dwyer are there but i doubt they have any influence other than looking at videos and running out water with instructions
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1360971) said:
@demps said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1360774) said:
Morris would be the best available assistant... surely.

Morris is a head coach. Bring him over and watch the playing group respond.

I think he's likeable and can convey messages really well.

I'm all for it.
 
We all can see that this team has no direction ..no form or function in A or D .There obviously is a breakdown in the coaching chain ,I do not know squat about the assistant coaches who they are or there qualifications.
All I see is a footy team with no idea and this has been for a couple of seasons so yes I would be leaning towards the Quality of the assistants that the coach is surrounding himself with .
 
So back to my original question is who’s good and why are they good ...
 
@geo said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1361117) said:
So back to my original question is who’s good and why are they good ...

Well if a team has form/function and looks well drilled and motivated they would be good coaches ...who is good ? that is for the head coach to decide with whom he surrounds himself with .
At this juncture you can only make the assumption that the assistants that the coach has around him are not that flash ..case point watching what is presented each week on the field !
 
@snake said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1361120) said:
@geo said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1361117) said:
So back to my original question is who’s good and why are they good ...

Well if a team has form/function and looks well drilled and motivated they would be good coaches ...who is good ? that is for the head coach to decide with whom he surrounds himself with .
At this juncture you can only make the assumption that the assistants that the coach has around him are not that flash ..case point watching what is presented each week on the field !

Well you need more than 5 NRL standard players in your team to work with...that’s not excusing anybody as they put the squad together...

Maybe that’s what all this shuffling of selections is about.. they have the players but can’t work out what positions to play them in
 
@geo said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1361129) said:
@snake said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1361120) said:
@geo said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1361117) said:
So back to my original question is who’s good and why are they good ...

Well if a team has form/function and looks well drilled and motivated they would be good coaches ...who is good ? that is for the head coach to decide with whom he surrounds himself with .
At this juncture you can only make the assumption that the assistants that the coach has around him are not that flash ..case point watching what is presented each week on the field !

Well you need more than 5 NRL standard players in your team to work with...that’s not excusing anybody as they put the squad together...

Maybe that’s what all this shuffling of selections is about.. they have the players but can’t work out what positions to play them in

Yep I think you've answered your own question here from a few posts ago: who is good and what makes them good?
The biggest factor is the quality of player they are working with, we have seen this time and again but for some reason some people still debunk the theory.
Exhibit A: Trent Barrett. Every man and his dog had a half mongrel over him when he was the Panthers attack coach.....'wow look at what Baz has done to supercharge their attack!' Fast forward a season or 2 to where he is now: he couldn't coach a choko vine over a backyard dunny at the moment. Why is that? Put simply he had super talented players at Penrith. He doesn't have that luxury at Canterbury and his results reflect this.
I can't really think of any assistant coach, attack or defence, that has improved his playing group immensely without having a star-studded roster.
 
@fade-to-black said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1361223) said:
@geo said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1361129) said:
@snake said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1361120) said:
@geo said in [Lack of quality assistants](/post/1361117) said:
So back to my original question is who’s good and why are they good ...

Well if a team has form/function and looks well drilled and motivated they would be good coaches ...who is good ? that is for the head coach to decide with whom he surrounds himself with .
At this juncture you can only make the assumption that the assistants that the coach has around him are not that flash ..case point watching what is presented each week on the field !

Well you need more than 5 NRL standard players in your team to work with...that’s not excusing anybody as they put the squad together...

Maybe that’s what all this shuffling of selections is about.. they have the players but can’t work out what positions to play them in

Yep I think you've answered your own question here from a few posts ago: who is good and what makes them good?
The biggest factor is the quality of player they are working with, we have seen this time and again but for some reason some people still debunk the theory.
Exhibit A: Trent Barrett. Every man and his dog had a half mongrel over him when he was the Panthers attack coach.....'wow look at what Baz has done to supercharge their attack!' Fast forward a season or 2 to where he is now: he couldn't coach a choko vine over a backyard dunny at the moment. Why is that? Put simply he had super talented players at Penrith. He doesn't have that luxury at Canterbury and his results reflect this.
I can't really think of any assistant coach, attack or defence, that has improved his playing group immensely without having a star-studded roster.

Not enough quality players in the competition Its so obvious. Half backs on ridiculous money hardly any are consistent and every club is desperate for them. Luke Lewis on the ABC said the other week - players make coaches and I believe that is why good players wont come to us because our roster atm just does not cut it
 
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