Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion

[swag_tiger]

Something still makes me think he won't be a Rooster in 2020.

 

[Moh]

I didn't like the part in that interview where he suggested (after claiming to be the best centre in the game) that it was getting too easy for him.

It really does show in his performances that he goes in with that attitude.

Still want him, but his attitude really is terrible. Very much a coaster.

Also sounds like staying at the Roosters is a realistic outcome. I don't believe the stay and you'll play NSW cup angle.

 

[the_third]

Roosters have already spent his salary.

 

[Sco77y]

i dont think we should up the offer to get his signature. i say stick to the $3.8 for the 4 years.
reason why i say that is because , later on down the track
when we want to sign someone else , will they then run us through the same rings as Latrel
and his management have this time so we can up our offer to sign them aswell.

I agree. The offer was already fair, all things considered. Unfortunately just need to stay strong, if LM and his manager come back, good. If not, then I don’t think it’s worth it. We can’t have them put it over us, especially when they have no leverage, it’s ridiculous. I’m just of the belief that you can never win long term by taking poor value.

 

[jirskyr]

Funny how quick the decision was by the NRL regarding the Burgess cap.
Our one for Ben Mato took forever.

It is the offseason. Do you officially know how long it took between Tigers submitting Mats vs NRL decision? Did we submit before the GF?

I think they were all handled in adequate time - Tigers have had ample time to start putting Mats' money to use prior to 2020.

Time frame or no time frame the Burgess call is crap ...and it shows to me how stupid the NRL thinks we as fans are

Their own medico was the one saying that Burgess could be back by the 2022 ...what that didn't suit the poor ol Wabbits and Wusty's time frame

I'm fine with that. Why can't a player retire due to legitimate serious injury and not have to penalise the club for having signed them to a contract, take it off the salary cap?

 

[happy_tiger]

Funny how quick the decision was by the NRL regarding the Burgess cap.
Our one for Ben Mato took forever.

It is the offseason. Do you officially know how long it took between Tigers submitting Mats vs NRL decision? Did we submit before the GF?

I think they were all handled in adequate time - Tigers have had ample time to start putting Mats' money to use prior to 2020.

Time frame or no time frame the Burgess call is crap ...and it shows to me how stupid the NRL thinks we as fans are

Their own medico was the one saying that Burgess could be back by the 2022 ...what that didn't suit the poor ol Wabbits and Wusty's time frame

I'm fine with that. Why can't a player retire due to legitimate serious injury and not have to penalise the club for having signed them to a contract, take it off the salary cap?

I don't think you understand what I said .....Burgess will be fine to play again 2022 ......Rabbits don't want to fork out dead money for Burgess so they organize a post footy job for him

 

[jirskyr]

It is a Joke but NRL will alway look after the fav clubs… E,g, Burgess decision so quick.

I don't know how people say this, does everyone forget that the very same NRL cut the Rabbits from the comp for 2 years?

But suddenly Rabbits are in favour with NRL?

It was a very different NRL to the one that is running the game now.

I am surprised you have not noticed,

Mate it's a different NRL every 1-2 years; nothing stays the same.

The point I am making, which @Strongee already picked up, is that the strength of the club and decision-making of the administration ebbs and flows every season. I really don't believe in any persistent perceived "favouritism" because it all changes so quickly for clubs, even month to month. Success, finances, player movements etc.

As another example, I see this general idea of #penaltybroncos and comments that the NRL wants to try and manufacture circumstances to get Broncos to the finals every year, including a large run of Friday night games. And yet, from Broncos supporters you also get a regular opinion that they think the NRL is still NSW-centric and anti-QLD, anti-Broncos.

So why, or by what mechanism are Souths "favoured" by the NRL? They aren't an overly successful team, they don't sign rafts of elite players, nobody really suggests their salary cap isn't in order. They've got two famous owners who almost certainly spend most of their time NOT lobbying the NRL, and 25% owned by the members.

Basically they got Sam Burgess wiped off in good time. OK good on them. We also got Ben Mats wiped off, Broncos got Gillett, it's not as if NRL has made a habit of denying medical retirement in the last 3 months.

So if you submit that the NRL that cut the Bunnies isn't the same NRL as now, then fine, I would also submit that by the same reason, the NRL of Jan 2019 isn't the same NRL of Jan 2020. Where does the favouritism come in?

Probably more true, rather than pointing fingers at the NRL, is to ask why Tigers aren't "favoured" and what other clubs do better than us. Do they lobby better, manoeuvre smarter etc. Others have said this already.

 

[jirskyr]

Funny how quick the decision was by the NRL regarding the Burgess cap.
Our one for Ben Mato took forever.

It is the offseason. Do you officially know how long it took between Tigers submitting Mats vs NRL decision? Did we submit before the GF?

I think they were all handled in adequate time - Tigers have had ample time to start putting Mats' money to use prior to 2020.

Time frame or no time frame the Burgess call is crap ...and it shows to me how stupid the NRL thinks we as fans are

Their own medico was the one saying that Burgess could be back by the 2022 ...what that didn't suit the poor ol Wabbits and Wusty's time frame

I'm fine with that. Why can't a player retire due to legitimate serious injury and not have to penalise the club for having signed them to a contract, take it off the salary cap?

I don't think you understand what I said .....Burgess will be fine to play again 2022 ......Rabbits don't want to fork out dead money for Burgess so they organize a post footy job for him

No I understand and I'm fine with it. I don't think any team should have to fork out dead money on the salary cap, so long as the player gets his contract value. I don't think teams should be penalised on salary cap if a player decides to stop playing for any reason, be it legitimate injury, personal reasons etc. Why should you be forced to wear the cap penalty for a player who isn't even part of your playing group any more?

Why does a team have to cop the full salary cap if their player chooses to retire, for any reason? Whether or not his injury is legitimately career-ending or not. I'm not going to get into the nitty-gritty of medical opinions, but it's not as straightforward as "he'll be right to play in 2022". Medical opinions are guesses not guarantees. And even if it was that straightforward, we are talking about 24 months out of the game and trying to get back to elite performance / status?

I say open the floodgates, let teams organise post-footy cushy jobs for their players, because it's been happening for as long as rugby league has been a sport, not just GI and Burgess. You don't reckon Cooper Cronk knew he'd get a coaching job from Roosters after he retired? Before he even joined, perhaps.

 

[happy_tiger]

Funny how quick the decision was by the NRL regarding the Burgess cap.
Our one for Ben Mato took forever.

It is the offseason. Do you officially know how long it took between Tigers submitting Mats vs NRL decision? Did we submit before the GF?

I think they were all handled in adequate time - Tigers have had ample time to start putting Mats' money to use prior to 2020.

Time frame or no time frame the Burgess call is crap ...and it shows to me how stupid the NRL thinks we as fans are

Their own medico was the one saying that Burgess could be back by the 2022 ...what that didn't suit the poor ol Wabbits and Wusty's time frame

I'm fine with that. Why can't a player retire due to legitimate serious injury and not have to penalise the club for having signed them to a contract, take it off the salary cap?

I don't think you understand what I said .....Burgess will be fine to play again 2022 ......Rabbits don't want to fork out dead money for Burgess so they organize a post footy job for him

No I understand and I'm fine with it. I don't think any team should have to fork out dead money on the salary cap, so long as the player gets his contract value. I don't think teams should be penalised on salary cap if a player decides to stop playing for any reason, be it legitimate injury, personal reasons etc. Why should you be forced to wear the cap penalty for a player who isn't even part of your playing group any more?

Why does a team have to cop the full salary cap if their player chooses to retire, for any reason? Whether or not his injury is legitimately career-ending or not. I'm not going to get into the nitty-gritty of medical opinions, but it's not as straightforward as "he'll be right to play in 2022". Medical opinions are guesses not guarantees. And even if it was that straightforward, we are talking about 24 months out of the game and trying to get back to elite performance / status?

I say open the floodgates, let teams organise post-footy cushy jobs for their players, because it's been happening for as long as rugby league has been a sport, not just GI and Burgess. You don't reckon Cooper Cronk knew he'd get a coaching job from Roosters after he retired? Before he even joined, perhaps.

Gonna disagree big time ...if we continue this trend clubs will purposely over-sign players on contracts that they can't possibly meet

If you sign a player that chooses to retire because you purposely added two years to his contract to retain him ......God help the game

 

[2005magic]

It is a Joke but NRL will alway look after the fav clubs… E,g, Burgess decision so quick.

I don't know how people say this, does everyone forget that the very same NRL cut the Rabbits from the comp for 2 years?

But suddenly Rabbits are in favour with NRL?

It was a very different NRL to the one that is running the game now.

I am surprised you have not noticed,

Mate it's a different NRL every 1-2 years; nothing stays the same.

The point I am making, which @Strongee already picked up, is that the strength of the club and decision-making of the administration ebbs and flows every season. I really don't believe in any persistent perceived "favouritism" because it all changes so quickly for clubs, even month to month. Success, finances, player movements etc.

As another example, I see this general idea of #penaltybroncos and comments that the NRL wants to try and manufacture circumstances to get Broncos to the finals every year, including a large run of Friday night games. And yet, from Broncos supporters you also get a regular opinion that they think the NRL is still NSW-centric and anti-QLD, anti-Broncos.

So why, or by what mechanism are Souths "favoured" by the NRL? They aren't an overly successful team, they don't sign rafts of elite players, nobody really suggests their salary cap isn't in order. They've got two famous owners who almost certainly spend most of their time NOT lobbying the NRL, and 25% owned by the members.

Basically they got Sam Burgess wiped off in good time. OK good on them. We also got Ben Mats wiped off, Broncos got Gillett, it's not as if NRL has made a habit of denying medical retirement in the last 3 months.

So if you submit that the NRL that cut the Bunnies isn't the same NRL as now, then fine, I would also submit that by the same reason, the NRL of Jan 2019 isn't the same NRL of Jan 2020. Where does the favouritism come in?

Probably more true, rather than pointing fingers at the NRL, is to ask why Tigers aren't "favoured" and what other clubs do better than us. Do they lobby better, manoeuvre smarter etc. Others have said this already.

Maybe its more appropriate to think where the big corporate dollar is backing various clubs, you will see increased attention / interest / favouritism by NRL HQ?

 

[nrlcountrytiger]

From his interview, I took it that he’s bored of centre, wants a challenge, considers himself a fullback..based on that, I don’t think he’ll be at roosters come 2020..it’s ur or Souths

Thinking the same thing

 

[Tim Sheens]

Funny how quick the decision was by the NRL regarding the Burgess cap.
Our one for Ben Mato took forever.

It is the offseason. Do you officially know how long it took between Tigers submitting Mats vs NRL decision? Did we submit before the GF?

I think they were all handled in adequate time - Tigers have had ample time to start putting Mats' money to use prior to 2020.

Time frame or no time frame the Burgess call is crap ...and it shows to me how stupid the NRL thinks we as fans are

Their own medico was the one saying that Burgess could be back by the 2022 ...what that didn't suit the poor ol Wabbits and Wusty's time frame

I'm fine with that. Why can't a player retire due to legitimate serious injury and not have to penalise the club for having signed them to a contract, take it off the salary cap?

WT didn't get any dispensation for Liam Fulton and that was despite the game introducing the HIA system to protect player health, so how can this be okay?

 

[Sco77y]

Funny how quick the decision was by the NRL regarding the Burgess cap.
Our one for Ben Mato took forever.

It is the offseason. Do you officially know how long it took between Tigers submitting Mats vs NRL decision? Did we submit before the GF?

I think they were all handled in adequate time - Tigers have had ample time to start putting Mats' money to use prior to 2020.

Time frame or no time frame the Burgess call is crap ...and it shows to me how stupid the NRL thinks we as fans are

Their own medico was the one saying that Burgess could be back by the 2022 ...what that didn't suit the poor ol Wabbits and Wusty's time frame

I'm fine with that. Why can't a player retire due to legitimate serious injury and not have to penalise the club for having signed them to a contract, take it off the salary cap?

I don't think you understand what I said .....Burgess will be fine to play again 2022 ......Rabbits don't want to fork out dead money for Burgess so they organize a post footy job for him

I say open the floodgates, let teams organise post-footy cushy jobs for their players, because it's been happening for as long as rugby league has been a sport, not just GI and Burgess. You don't reckon Cooper Cronk knew he'd get a coaching job from Roosters after he retired? Before he even joined, perhaps.

It’s just a bit distasteful that Burgess comes out with a nice role at the club (something that had obviously been discussed at length, and motions put in place a long time prior you’d think), while we’re penalised heavily for the Robbie Farah situation. By the book, we did the wrong thing, but I felt it was pretty poor to be made an example of because we were easy pickings when there are much dodgier situations present in the game (funnily enough that would require more time and investigation to address). It’s just funny that the NRL choose to be black and white when it suits them, and other times taking on board the grey when that suits. Inconsistency = dodgy, because it appears that it isn’t a level playing field, even if that’s not the case.

 

[bigsiro]

From his interview, I took it that he’s bored of centre, wants a challenge, considers himself a fullback..based on that, I don’t think he’ll be at roosters come 2020..it’s ur or Souths

Thinking the same thing

Despite not being thrilled at centre, it definitely sounded to me like he would sacrifice position to be at the Roosters.

 

[cochise]

Funny how quick the decision was by the NRL regarding the Burgess cap.
Our one for Ben Mato took forever.

It is the offseason. Do you officially know how long it took between Tigers submitting Mats vs NRL decision? Did we submit before the GF?

I think they were all handled in adequate time - Tigers have had ample time to start putting Mats' money to use prior to 2020.

Time frame or no time frame the Burgess call is crap ...and it shows to me how stupid the NRL thinks we as fans are

Their own medico was the one saying that Burgess could be back by the 2022 ...what that didn't suit the poor ol Wabbits and Wusty's time frame

I'm fine with that. Why can't a player retire due to legitimate serious injury and not have to penalise the club for having signed them to a contract, take it off the salary cap?

I don't think you understand what I said .....Burgess will be fine to play again 2022 ......Rabbits don't want to fork out dead money for Burgess so they organize a post footy job for him

No I understand and I'm fine with it. I don't think any team should have to fork out dead money on the salary cap, so long as the player gets his contract value. I don't think teams should be penalised on salary cap if a player decides to stop playing for any reason, be it legitimate injury, personal reasons etc. Why should you be forced to wear the cap penalty for a player who isn't even part of your playing group any more?

Why does a team have to cop the full salary cap if their player chooses to retire, for any reason? Whether or not his injury is legitimately career-ending or not. I'm not going to get into the nitty-gritty of medical opinions, but it's not as straightforward as "he'll be right to play in 2022". Medical opinions are guesses not guarantees. And even if it was that straightforward, we are talking about 24 months out of the game and trying to get back to elite performance / status?

I say open the floodgates, let teams organise post-footy cushy jobs for their players, because it's been happening for as long as rugby league has been a sport, not just GI and Burgess. You don't reckon Cooper Cronk knew he'd get a coaching job from Roosters after he retired? Before he even joined, perhaps.

Gonna disagree big time ...if we continue this trend clubs will purposely over-sign players on contracts that they can't possibly meet

If you sign a player that chooses to retire because you purposely added two years to his contract to retain him ......God help the game

It could be argued we got the favourable outcome here, Ben gets his payout now and it comes of our cap. Sam takes 10 years to get his payout and has to do a token job to receive it!

 

[happy_tiger]

Funny how quick the decision was by the NRL regarding the Burgess cap.
Our one for Ben Mato took forever.

It is the offseason. Do you officially know how long it took between Tigers submitting Mats vs NRL decision? Did we submit before the GF?

I think they were all handled in adequate time - Tigers have had ample time to start putting Mats' money to use prior to 2020.

Time frame or no time frame the Burgess call is crap ...and it shows to me how stupid the NRL thinks we as fans are

Their own medico was the one saying that Burgess could be back by the 2022 ...what that didn't suit the poor ol Wabbits and Wusty's time frame

I'm fine with that. Why can't a player retire due to legitimate serious injury and not have to penalise the club for having signed them to a contract, take it off the salary cap?

I don't think you understand what I said .....Burgess will be fine to play again 2022 ......Rabbits don't want to fork out dead money for Burgess so they organize a post footy job for him

No I understand and I'm fine with it. I don't think any team should have to fork out dead money on the salary cap, so long as the player gets his contract value. I don't think teams should be penalised on salary cap if a player decides to stop playing for any reason, be it legitimate injury, personal reasons etc. Why should you be forced to wear the cap penalty for a player who isn't even part of your playing group any more?

Why does a team have to cop the full salary cap if their player chooses to retire, for any reason? Whether or not his injury is legitimately career-ending or not. I'm not going to get into the nitty-gritty of medical opinions, but it's not as straightforward as "he'll be right to play in 2022". Medical opinions are guesses not guarantees. And even if it was that straightforward, we are talking about 24 months out of the game and trying to get back to elite performance / status?

I say open the floodgates, let teams organise post-footy cushy jobs for their players, because it's been happening for as long as rugby league has been a sport, not just GI and Burgess. You don't reckon Cooper Cronk knew he'd get a coaching job from Roosters after he retired? Before he even joined, perhaps.

Gonna disagree big time ...if we continue this trend clubs will purposely over-sign players on contracts that they can't possibly meet

If you sign a player that chooses to retire because you purposely added two years to his contract to retain him ......God help the game

It could be argued we got the favourable outcome here, Ben gets his payout now and it comes of our cap. Sam takes 10 years to get his payout and has to do a token job to receive it!

But Souths have been allowed to retire a player who can make a comeback if he is prepared to got through hard work for the next 2 seasons

How long were we made to suffer with Simon Dwyer , Taniela Tuiaki

Dwyer's injury was virtually like a case by case situation ...some make it back , some don't but it is a TIME factor

Why does Souths get it differently ......

Sometime poo happens ....and when it does every one of the 16 clubs need to be treated EXACTLY the same

Comparing Matulino and Burgess is ridiculous ...they are completely different situations

 

[cochise]

But Souths have been allowed to retire a player who can make a comeback if he is prepared to got through hard work for the next 2 seasons
How long were we made to suffer with Simon Dwyer , Taniela Tuiaki
Dwyer’s injury was virtually like a case by case situation …some make it back , some don’t but it is a TIME factor
Why does Souths get it differently …
Sometime poo happens …and when it does every one of the 16 clubs need to be treated EXACTLY the same
Comparing Matulino and Burgess is ridiculous …they are completely different situations

So precedents set 10 years ago should be still clung to? The NRL has realised their mistake in those situations and has set in place procedures to allow players to still get paid and the clubs to not be adversely effected.

A 2 year injury is not an easy thing to get over and it is an incredible amount of work to back . Sam is obviously not to go through that anguish and work, so is retiring. He is not getting paid out his salary for the next 2 years he is getting a job at Souths that will take him 10 years to earn what he could have earnt over the remainder of his playing contract!

 

[Tiger5150]

It is a Joke but NRL will alway look after the fav clubs… E,g, Burgess decision so quick.

I don't know how people say this, does everyone forget that the very same NRL cut the Rabbits from the comp for 2 years?

But suddenly Rabbits are in favour with NRL?

It was a very different NRL to the one that is running the game now.

I am surprised you have not noticed,

Mate it's a different NRL every 1-2 years; nothing stays the same.

The point I am making, which @Strongee already picked up, is that the strength of the club and decision-making of the administration ebbs and flows every season. I really don't believe in any persistent perceived "favouritism" because it all changes so quickly for clubs, even month to month. Success, finances, player movements etc.

As another example, I see this general idea of #penaltybroncos and comments that the NRL wants to try and manufacture circumstances to get Broncos to the finals every year, including a large run of Friday night games. And yet, from Broncos supporters you also get a regular opinion that they think the NRL is still NSW-centric and anti-QLD, anti-Broncos.

So why, or by what mechanism are Souths "favoured" by the NRL? They aren't an overly successful team, they don't sign rafts of elite players, nobody really suggests their salary cap isn't in order. They've got two famous owners who almost certainly spend most of their time NOT lobbying the NRL, and 25% owned by the members.

Basically they got Sam Burgess wiped off in good time. OK good on them. We also got Ben Mats wiped off, Broncos got Gillett, it's not as if NRL has made a habit of denying medical retirement in the last 3 months.

So if you submit that the NRL that cut the Bunnies isn't the same NRL as now, then fine, I would also submit that by the same reason, the NRL of Jan 2019 isn't the same NRL of Jan 2020. Where does the favouritism come in?

Probably more true, rather than pointing fingers at the NRL, is to ask why Tigers aren't "favoured" and what other clubs do better than us. Do they lobby better, manoeuvre smarter etc. Others have said this already.

Maybe its more appropriate to think where the big corporate dollar is backing various clubs, you will see increased attention / interest / favouritism by NRL HQ?


bingo, bingo, bingo and add to that media who indirectly “own” the NRL.

 

[happy_tiger]

But Souths have been allowed to retire a player who can make a comeback if he is prepared to got through hard work for the next 2 seasons
How long were we made to suffer with Simon Dwyer , Taniela Tuiaki
Dwyer’s injury was virtually like a case by case situation …some make it back , some don’t but it is a TIME factor
Why does Souths get it differently …
Sometime poo happens …and when it does every one of the 16 clubs need to be treated EXACTLY the same
Comparing Matulino and Burgess is ridiculous …they are completely different situations

So precedents set 10 years ago should be still clung to? The NRL has realised their mistake in those situations and has set in place procedures to allow players to still get paid and the clubs to not be adversely effected.

A 2 year injury is not an easy thing to get over and it is an incredible amount of work to back . Sam is obviously not to go through that anguish and work, so is retiring. He is not getting paid out his salary for the next 2 years he is getting a job at Souths that will take him 10 years to earn what he could have earnt over the remainder of his playing contract!

So every club starts offering extra year contracts to near retired players (with TPA's )

Gee that's not going to get rorted by the clubs with more money and bigger chances of winning premierships

May as well shove the copper pipe and barbed wire up the WT's clackers now and remove the copper pipe

It's a full moon tonight isn't it

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Every club supporter base think they are victims. Even Roosters supporters.