Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion

[Tiger5150]

Maybe its more appropriate to think where the big corporate dollar is backing various clubs, you will see increased attention / interest / favouritism by NRL HQ?

You "may" see, rather than you "will". Brisbane Broncos are by far the most corporate backed NRL club in the country, yet I don't really see an intentional favouritism from the NRL. Broncos get a lot of Friday night games because they pull 30K crowds, but that's really it.

That is a perfect example of favouritism. Broncos don’t get all Friday nights because they draw good crowds. That is the opposite of why they get Friday nights. If that was the reason they would never play Friday nights because Friday night on FTA detracts from crowds. Brisbane get Friday nights because it’s good for channel nine ratings. A whole capital city at home watching channel 9. THAT is why they get Friday nights and it obviously benefits the Broncos. Now extend this, do channel nine/fox, the paymasters of the NRL want their cash cows playing in October? If the NRL are prepared to completely and transparently rort the draw, to benefit a club to appease their masters, where does it end.? Refereeing decisions (does anyone remember a last minute dodgy decision involving broncos v Tigers)? Decisions regarding salary cap?


And it would be extremely naive for anyone to think that all clubs clubs aren't trying to lobby the NRL all the time, and some clubs may be better at it than others.

It is extremely naive to think that the NRL aren’t prepared to benefit the clubs that suit their paymasters

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Maybe its more appropriate to think where the big corporate dollar is backing various clubs, you will see increased attention / interest / favouritism by NRL HQ?

You "may" see, rather than you "will". Brisbane Broncos are by far the most corporate backed NRL club in the country, yet I don't really see an intentional favouritism from the NRL. Broncos get a lot of Friday night games because they pull 30K crowds, but that's really it.


That is a perfect example of favouritism. Broncos don’t get all Friday nights because they draw good crowds. That is the opposite of why they get Friday nights. If that was the reason they would never play Friday nights because Friday night on FTA detracts from crowds. Brisbane get Friday nights because it’s good for channel nine ratings. A whole capital city at home watching channel 9. THAT is why they get Friday nights and it obviously benefits the Broncos. Now extend this, do channel nine/fox, the paymasters of the NRL want their cash cows playing in October? If the NRL are prepared to completely and transparently rort the draw, to benefit a club to appease their masters, where does it end.? Refereeing decisions (does anyone remember a last minute dodgy decision involving broncos v Tigers)? Decisions regarding salary cap?


And it would be extremely naive for anyone to think that all clubs clubs aren't trying to lobby the NRL all the time, and some clubs may be better at it than others.

It is extremely naive to think that the NRL aren’t prepared to benefit the clubs that suit their paymasters

The integrity of the comp is paramount though ! Look at Serie A in Italy . Once the #1 domestic competition in the world , then with Juventus and Other teams like Palermo and Parma being hammered for match fixing , the external interest and general corporate backing is all but dries up.
In this same time , the EPL , once considered well below La liga and Serie A , is now pushing forward , due to sponsorship dollars , revenue , and tv rights . That wouldn’t be the case if it was EPL that were done for systematic match fixing .
Sure they have to look after the big end of town , but in the end the NRL still has to answer to its #1 shareholder .. the fans . If not then welcome to second tier sport with RU . Basketball in Aus is sooo lucky , players like Ben Simmons and Bogut have come along to draw up interest , to pull them out of the minor leagues .

 

[OzLuke]

Maybe its more appropriate to think where the big corporate dollar is backing various clubs, you will see increased attention / interest / favouritism by NRL HQ?

You "may" see, rather than you "will". Brisbane Broncos are by far the most corporate backed NRL club in the country, yet I don't really see an intentional favouritism from the NRL. Broncos get a lot of Friday night games because they pull 30K crowds, but that's really it.


That is a perfect example of favouritism. Broncos don’t get all Friday nights because they draw good crowds. That is the opposite of why they get Friday nights. If that was the reason they would never play Friday nights because Friday night on FTA detracts from crowds. Brisbane get Friday nights because it’s good for channel nine ratings. A whole capital city at home watching channel 9. THAT is why they get Friday nights and it obviously benefits the Broncos. Now extend this, do channel nine/fox, the paymasters of the NRL want their cash cows playing in October? If the NRL are prepared to completely and transparently rort the draw, to benefit a club to appease their masters, where does it end.? Refereeing decisions (does anyone remember a last minute dodgy decision involving broncos v Tigers)? Decisions regarding salary cap?


And it would be extremely naive for anyone to think that all clubs clubs aren't trying to lobby the NRL all the time, and some clubs may be better at it than others.

It is extremely naive to think that the NRL aren’t prepared to benefit the clubs that suit their paymasters

I think the problem there is that the NRL say the need a QLD game on every Friday night, and regardless of how the teams are travelling there are another 2 teams that don't get the same treatment.....

 

[Tiger5150]

Maybe its more appropriate to think where the big corporate dollar is backing various clubs, you will see increased attention / interest / favouritism by NRL HQ?

You "may" see, rather than you "will". Brisbane Broncos are by far the most corporate backed NRL club in the country, yet I don't really see an intentional favouritism from the NRL. Broncos get a lot of Friday night games because they pull 30K crowds, but that's really it.


That is a perfect example of favouritism. Broncos don’t get all Friday nights because they draw good crowds. That is the opposite of why they get Friday nights. If that was the reason they would never play Friday nights because Friday night on FTA detracts from crowds. Brisbane get Friday nights because it’s good for channel nine ratings. A whole capital city at home watching channel 9. THAT is why they get Friday nights and it obviously benefits the Broncos. Now extend this, do channel nine/fox, the paymasters of the NRL want their cash cows playing in October? If the NRL are prepared to completely and transparently rort the draw, to benefit a club to appease their masters, where does it end.? Refereeing decisions (does anyone remember a last minute dodgy decision involving broncos v Tigers)? Decisions regarding salary cap?


And it would be extremely naive for anyone to think that all clubs clubs aren't trying to lobby the NRL all the time, and some clubs may be better at it than others.

It is extremely naive to think that the NRL aren’t prepared to benefit the clubs that suit their paymasters


The integrity of the comp is paramount though ! Look at Serie A in Italy . Once the #1 domestic competition in the world , then with Juventus and Other teams like Palermo and Parma being hammered for match fixing , the external interest and general corporate backing is all but dries up.
In this same time , the EPL , once considered well below La liga and Serie A , is now pushing forward , due to sponsorship dollars , revenue , and tv rights . That wouldn’t be the case if it was EPL that were done for systematic match fixing .
Sure they have to look after the big end of town , but in the end the NRL still has to answer to its #1 shareholder .. the fans . If not then welcome to second tier sport with RU . Basketball in Aus is sooo lucky , players like Ben Simmons and Bogut have come along to draw up interest , to pull them out of the minor leagues .

All good points but even just by providing just one club basically a 7 day turnaround week in week out whereas every other club deals with 4-5 days turnaround, the integrity is already compromised. Again if they are prepared to be so obvious with this, where else are they doing it?

 

[Geo]

Wow here I thought something happened with Latrell ..instead it's a history of Souff Sidney and the Brisbane Donks..

 

[Newtown]

Wow here I thought something happened with Latrell ..instead it's a history of Souff Sidney and the Brisbane Donks..

Complete waste reading the last three pages completly unrelated to the thread subject.

 

[happy_tiger]

Wow here I thought something happened with Latrell ..instead it's a history of Souff Sidney and the Brisbane Donks..

Something did happen ...we all had a beer with Latrell and we gave him the thumbs up as a bloke

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Maybe its more appropriate to think where the big corporate dollar is backing various clubs, you will see increased attention / interest / favouritism by NRL HQ?

You "may" see, rather than you "will". Brisbane Broncos are by far the most corporate backed NRL club in the country, yet I don't really see an intentional favouritism from the NRL. Broncos get a lot of Friday night games because they pull 30K crowds, but that's really it.


That is a perfect example of favouritism. Broncos don’t get all Friday nights because they draw good crowds. That is the opposite of why they get Friday nights. If that was the reason they would never play Friday nights because Friday night on FTA detracts from crowds. Brisbane get Friday nights because it’s good for channel nine ratings. A whole capital city at home watching channel 9. THAT is why they get Friday nights and it obviously benefits the Broncos. Now extend this, do channel nine/fox, the paymasters of the NRL want their cash cows playing in October? If the NRL are prepared to completely and transparently rort the draw, to benefit a club to appease their masters, where does it end.? Refereeing decisions (does anyone remember a last minute dodgy decision involving broncos v Tigers)? Decisions regarding salary cap?


And it would be extremely naive for anyone to think that all clubs clubs aren't trying to lobby the NRL all the time, and some clubs may be better at it than others.

It is extremely naive to think that the NRL aren’t prepared to benefit the clubs that suit their paymasters


The integrity of the comp is paramount though ! Look at Serie A in Italy . Once the #1 domestic competition in the world , then with Juventus and Other teams like Palermo and Parma being hammered for match fixing , the external interest and general corporate backing is all but dries up.
In this same time , the EPL , once considered well below La liga and Serie A , is now pushing forward , due to sponsorship dollars , revenue , and tv rights . That wouldn’t be the case if it was EPL that were done for systematic match fixing .
Sure they have to look after the big end of town , but in the end the NRL still has to answer to its #1 shareholder .. the fans . If not then welcome to second tier sport with RU . Basketball in Aus is sooo lucky , players like Ben Simmons and Bogut have come along to draw up interest , to pull them out of the minor leagues .

All good points but even just by providing just one club basically a 7 day turnaround week in week out whereas every other club deals with 4-5 days turnaround, the integrity is already compromised. Again if they are prepared to be so obvious with this, where else are they doing it?

All contact sports do this for some reason though . The Dallas cowboys just lost on Thursday night with a 4 day turnaround. And RU in England regularly schedules 2 matches in the week due to domestic and European cup competitions . I do agree it’s bull , but I don’t think it’s corrupt per se . A second Bris team , really does open up that market to even out the schedule bias . Any ways , back to Lattrell ... done deal by Wednesday yeah ? Yea ? No ?

 

[OzLuke]

Maybe its more appropriate to think where the big corporate dollar is backing various clubs, you will see increased attention / interest / favouritism by NRL HQ?

You "may" see, rather than you "will". Brisbane Broncos are by far the most corporate backed NRL club in the country, yet I don't really see an intentional favouritism from the NRL. Broncos get a lot of Friday night games because they pull 30K crowds, but that's really it.


That is a perfect example of favouritism. Broncos don’t get all Friday nights because they draw good crowds. That is the opposite of why they get Friday nights. If that was the reason they would never play Friday nights because Friday night on FTA detracts from crowds. Brisbane get Friday nights because it’s good for channel nine ratings. A whole capital city at home watching channel 9. THAT is why they get Friday nights and it obviously benefits the Broncos. Now extend this, do channel nine/fox, the paymasters of the NRL want their cash cows playing in October? If the NRL are prepared to completely and transparently rort the draw, to benefit a club to appease their masters, where does it end.? Refereeing decisions (does anyone remember a last minute dodgy decision involving broncos v Tigers)? Decisions regarding salary cap?


And it would be extremely naive for anyone to think that all clubs clubs aren't trying to lobby the NRL all the time, and some clubs may be better at it than others.

It is extremely naive to think that the NRL aren’t prepared to benefit the clubs that suit their paymasters


The integrity of the comp is paramount though ! Look at Serie A in Italy . Once the #1 domestic competition in the world , then with Juventus and Other teams like Palermo and Parma being hammered for match fixing , the external interest and general corporate backing is all but dries up.
In this same time , the EPL , once considered well below La liga and Serie A , is now pushing forward , due to sponsorship dollars , revenue , and tv rights . That wouldn’t be the case if it was EPL that were done for systematic match fixing .
Sure they have to look after the big end of town , but in the end the NRL still has to answer to its #1 shareholder .. the fans . If not then welcome to second tier sport with RU . Basketball in Aus is sooo lucky , players like Ben Simmons and Bogut have come along to draw up interest , to pull them out of the minor leagues .

All good points but even just by providing just one club basically a 7 day turnaround week in week out whereas every other club deals with 4-5 days turnaround, the integrity is already compromised. Again if they are prepared to be so obvious with this, where else are they doing it?


All contact sports do this for some reason though . The Dallas cowboys just lost on Thursday night with a 4 day turnaround. And RU in England regularly schedules 2 matches in the week due to domestic and European cup competitions . I do agree it’s bull , but I don’t think it’s corrupt per se . A second Bris team , really does open up that market to even out the schedule bias . Any ways , back to Lattrell ... done deal by Wednesday yeah ? Yea ? No ?

won't it be done in 48 hours???

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Wow here I thought something happened with Latrell ..instead it's a history of Souff Sidney and the Brisbane Donks..

BORING .... are we there yet?

 

[jirskyr]

Actually pretty easy to say. Fulton did not and still does not meet the requirements of the NRL rules. It didn’t happen in a single incident in a single game, and there were previous injuries before the last contract that could reasonably expect to exacerbate the injury.

Hard to say whether or not NRL would interpret Fulton's situation differently in 2019 vs 2014.

Matai and Brett Stewart at Manly both had medical retirements rejected due to injuries suffered prior to last contract. Same rules that Burgess was supposedly assessed under.

Then clearly NRL have modified or changed the interpretation of how they are applying the medical retirement rules. Let not anyone pretend that Ben Mats did not have knee injury issues before he joined Tigers.

So what about the Inglis case. Not injured “forgoes” his contract $$$, doesn’t count on cap and then gets a “job” that equals his contract money. Is that a rort..? Compared to Farah?

It's not a rort if he foregoes his player salary. Whether or not the club decides to top up his earnings with a cushy job is something the NRL can't really police. The only mistake Tigers made was appearing to give Farah a guarantee of a job before he was forced out. If we'd kept that part quiet and announced the role only after he left, we'd have been sweet.

In that respect we were unlucky - I wouldn't say sloppy because there was no precedent - and in that bad luck, Souths were advantaged. The NRL showed their hand with Farahgate and Souths were therefore informed exactly how to manoeuvre to get Inglis sorted out.

 

[jirskyr]

infection from an old injury he had surgery on

The infection was new.

If Burgess had shoulder surgery and they pinched a nerve or something, or had some accident during surgery, had a bad reaction to the anaesthetic etc. that new outcome is the "injury" in question, not the surgery which he originally went in for.

Technicality, but that's how these things are.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Maybe its more appropriate to think where the big corporate dollar is backing various clubs, you will see increased attention / interest / favouritism by NRL HQ?

You "may" see, rather than you "will". Brisbane Broncos are by far the most corporate backed NRL club in the country, yet I don't really see an intentional favouritism from the NRL. Broncos get a lot of Friday night games because they pull 30K crowds, but that's really it.

And it would be extremely naive for anyone to think that all clubs clubs aren't trying to lobby the NRL all the time, and some clubs may be better at it than others.

Brisbane don’t get Friday night games because they pull a crowd. They get them because broadcasters want to broadcast to a Brisbane audience on a Friday night.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

Back on track guys I would say LM will either be with WTs or playing CC for the Rorters reasoning being that we have the cash the Rorters are not interested their used his sombrero space to resign and upgrade others on their roster I think its just a matter of time(probably this week)

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Back on track guys I would say LM will either be with WTs or playing CC for the Rorters reasoning being that we have the cash the Rorters are not interested their used his sombrero space to resign and upgrade others on their roster I think its just a matter of time(probably this week)

I think these are the most likely outcomes. If he’s playing CC at the Roosters, he’ll be gone by mid season.

 

[jirskyr]

That is a perfect example of favouritism. Broncos don’t get all Friday nights because they draw good crowds. That is the opposite of why they get Friday nights. If that was the reason they would never play Friday nights because Friday night on FTA detracts from crowds.

If you want to call 30K on a Friday night a "detracted" crowd, so be it.

When you actually look it up, Broncos don't get "all Friday nights". They got 7 in 2019, same as Melbourne. Tigers got 6, though I think 2 of ours were 6pm starts.

But if you are going to criticise Channel 9 and NRL for putting the highest-rating clubs on Friday nights, you've got it all backwards. They are paying $2B for that privilege.

Getting more TV coverage benefits the coffers, but it doesn't put the club in the finals, they still have to win, and that has nothing at all to do with TV audience. You'll make a reference to turnaround time here, but I have that data in a later post.

Does Channel 9 and NRL "want" Broncos to be playing in October? Quite possibly. But do they actually do anything to make that happen? I'm sure NRL would also love Warriors to become a tour de force, want Titans to become a Top 2 side, Storm to get 60K members etc.

Refereeing decisions - please, that's as random as they come. Yeah Tigers got a dodgy decision against Broncos last year, but there were lots of other random dodgy decisions.

 

[jirskyr]

I think the problem there is that the NRL say the need a QLD game on every Friday night, and regardless of how the teams are travelling there are another 2 teams that don’t get the same treatment…

Broncos got 7 Friday nights in 2019, Cowboys got 8.

And Cowboys also prefer home games on Saturday night, which benefits their supporters, and which they get.

 

[Geo]

PLEASE move Draw discussion here...

https://weststigersforum.com/topic/30258/nrl-2020-draw/131

Thank you..

 

[marzie]

So the latest rumour was that Latrell has a meeting scheduled with WT monday/tuesday and is expected to sign?

Can't wait to smash the f5 for the next 48hrs

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

It's useless whinging about who gets what because it all comes down to the GOLDEN RULE which is the person with the GOLD MAKES THE RULES in this case its CH9 and FOX and it will not change