Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[The_Patriot]

So your solution, if a coach can’t improve the side’s ladder position after an average first season, is to punt the coach in the third season?

Pretty much. It's quite obvious we're heading backwards, not forwards. There has been no progress, no improvement. He can't get us competing.

Haha good luck to the next bloke then. He gets 1 year's grace to take over from Madge, 1 legitimate year where he is measured, gets cut start of the third year if not surpassing the 2nd year inside 5 rounds.

You do recall of course, last time we course-corrected the coach in the first few rounds of his third year, all our best players left?

Do you really think he's a drawcard as a coach? We haven't really made any big signings since he's arrived - I don't think replacing him would harm our recruitment in any way. Additionally, objectively looking at our performances do you think we are heading in the right direction on the field? If not, what is the catalyst to turn it around? It appears to me as though things are getting worse and he has no answers to any of the questions.

We are in a lot of trouble if we can't make this work with Madge, what coach of any standing or with any ambition is going to come here if we sack Madge?

I don't rate him as high as others. I think the game has evolved and I don't believe he's evolved with it. I hope i'm wrong but I can't see this ending well.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time, I think he has a style he likes to play and expects his squad to adapt to that style and is unable to adapt his style to suit the squad. I think the new rules have made his style less effective as well.

The problem is we have a history of turning over coaches and having coaches come here to see their career die, so we need to put the support in around Madge to make this work as **we will not attract a quality coach and will be left gambling on another rookie and we can't afford to gamble.**

Pretty simple from where i stand.

Either Madge starts gambling on the **rookies** he brought to the club or he goes down with the ship.

We cant afford to just keep rewarding mediocrity. We cant afford to let the team list be dictated by fears of losing the dressing room.

Drop the big names and run with the youth he invested in.

Team list will be very very interesting. Will soon find out if he wants to stake his career on the likes of Brooks and Mybe.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

John Morris has gone well at the Sharks under difficult circumstances. He also had a lot of involvement in the very successful pathways at the Sharks. Listen to him at his press conferences and he communicates well and has some history at WTs under Sheens.

 

[The_Patriot]

John Morris has gone well at the Sharks under difficult circumstances. He also had a lot of involvement in the very successful pathways at the Sharks. Listen to him at his press conferences and he communicates well and has some history at WTs under Sheens.

Would be a good day to day coach with someone like Maguire above him as head of football. Ie Gould and Brown.

 

[TigerWest]

So your solution, if a coach can’t improve the side’s ladder position after an average first season, is to punt the coach in the third season?

Pretty much. It's quite obvious we're heading backwards, not forwards. There has been no progress, no improvement. He can't get us competing.

Haha good luck to the next bloke then. He gets 1 year's grace to take over from Madge, 1 legitimate year where he is measured, gets cut start of the third year if not surpassing the 2nd year inside 5 rounds.

You do recall of course, last time we course-corrected the coach in the first few rounds of his third year, all our best players left?

Do you really think he's a drawcard as a coach? We haven't really made any big signings since he's arrived - I don't think replacing him would harm our recruitment in any way. Additionally, objectively looking at our performances do you think we are heading in the right direction on the field? If not, what is the catalyst to turn it around? It appears to me as though things are getting worse and he has no answers to any of the questions.

We are in a lot of trouble if we can't make this work with Madge, what coach of any standing or with any ambition is going to come here if we sack Madge?

I don't rate him as high as others. I think the game has evolved and I don't believe he's evolved with it. I hope i'm wrong but I can't see this ending well.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time, I think he has a style he likes to play and expects his squad to adapt to that style and is unable to adapt his style to suit the squad. I think the new rules have made his style less effective as well.

The problem is we have a history of turning over coaches and having coaches come here to see their career die, so we need to put the support in around Madge to make this work as we will not attract a quality coach and will be left gambling on another rookie and we can't afford to gamble.

What's wrong with expecting highly paid players to adapt to the coaches play book, nearly all knew this before they signed?

 

[cochise]

John Morris has gone well at the Sharks under difficult circumstances. He also had a lot of involvement in the very successful pathways at the Sharks. Listen to him at his press conferences and he communicates well and has some history at WTs under Sheens.

I quite like John, his involvement in the pathways at Cronulla is highly respected.

 

[avocadoontoast]

John Morris has gone well at the Sharks under difficult circumstances. He also had a lot of involvement in the very successful pathways at the Sharks. Listen to him at his press conferences and he communicates well and has some history at WTs under Sheens.

Are you thinking a Morris/Sheens combo?

 

[cochise]

So your solution, if a coach can’t improve the side’s ladder position after an average first season, is to punt the coach in the third season?

Pretty much. It's quite obvious we're heading backwards, not forwards. There has been no progress, no improvement. He can't get us competing.

Haha good luck to the next bloke then. He gets 1 year's grace to take over from Madge, 1 legitimate year where he is measured, gets cut start of the third year if not surpassing the 2nd year inside 5 rounds.

You do recall of course, last time we course-corrected the coach in the first few rounds of his third year, all our best players left?

Do you really think he's a drawcard as a coach? We haven't really made any big signings since he's arrived - I don't think replacing him would harm our recruitment in any way. Additionally, objectively looking at our performances do you think we are heading in the right direction on the field? If not, what is the catalyst to turn it around? It appears to me as though things are getting worse and he has no answers to any of the questions.

We are in a lot of trouble if we can't make this work with Madge, what coach of any standing or with any ambition is going to come here if we sack Madge?

I don't rate him as high as others. I think the game has evolved and I don't believe he's evolved with it. I hope i'm wrong but I can't see this ending well.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time, I think he has a style he likes to play and expects his squad to adapt to that style and is unable to adapt his style to suit the squad. I think the new rules have made his style less effective as well.

The problem is we have a history of turning over coaches and having coaches come here to see their career die, so we need to put the support in around Madge to make this work as we will not attract a quality coach and will be left gambling on another rookie and we can't afford to gamble.

What's wrong with expecting highly paid players to adapt to the coaches play book, nearly all knew this before they signed?

Because sometimes the players are not capable of playing in that style or playbook, sometimes the game moves past that style. Especially when the game is going through a great deal of change.

There hasn't been much change in the game recently has there?

 

[WT2K]

John Morris has gone well at the Sharks under difficult circumstances. He also had a lot of involvement in the very successful pathways at the Sharks. Listen to him at his press conferences and he communicates well and has some history at WTs under Sheens.

Are you thinking a Morris/Sheens combo?

Yes I am.

 

[cochise]

John Morris has gone well at the Sharks under difficult circumstances. He also had a lot of involvement in the very successful pathways at the Sharks. Listen to him at his press conferences and he communicates well and has some history at WTs under Sheens.

Are you thinking a Morris/Sheens combo?

Yes I am.

I don't think Sheens is the answer.

 

[Devon Head]

John Morris has gone well at the Sharks under difficult circumstances. He also had a lot of involvement in the very successful pathways at the Sharks. Listen to him at his press conferences and he communicates well and has some history at WTs under Sheens.

Are you thinking a Morris/Sheens combo?

Yes I am.

From memory Sheens' divorce with the Tigers was a rather messy one. I'd say that bridge has been burned.

 

[TigerWest]

Well, I don't think (if true) that, that was a place or time to discuss it either, however they did turn it around a bit in the second half

I didn't want to do the whole "anonymous source" thing, but it's so frustrating to watch.

I have a very good source saying that there were huge issues last year with senior players disagreeing with him, questioning him on the handling of things etc This is why players left. There were high hopes that things would change but apparently they haven't.

I'm not sure about Tamou, but it wouldn't surprise me.

What things exactly..that's a pretty broad statement..

I know it's broad, which is why I was in two minds about saying it. I'm just frustrated though as after watching the game on the weekend it's obvious that the team doesn't play for him.

The major issue I heard what that there isn't clear communication, players are often confused, left in the dark. On top of this, the training is ridiculously hard, but geared towards a game plan that they don't believe in.

Then when things don't go to plan, they get worked even harder. Thats a tough spot to be in as a player.

There were incidents where players spoke up about this, and it didn't go down well.

I'm not going to say any more as I can't verify the source. **I'm not friends with Aloiai, just a frustrated fan wanting the best for the team.**

Sorry mate, but that last comment of yours makes it suspect.

 

[TillLindemann]

John Morris has gone well at the Sharks under difficult circumstances. He also had a lot of involvement in the very successful pathways at the Sharks. Listen to him at his press conferences and he communicates well and has some history at WTs under Sheens.

Are you thinking a Morris/Sheens combo?

Yes I am.

I don't think Sheens is the answer.

We can try, and if that's not the answer maybe we can give Mick Potter a go?

 

[WT2K]

John Morris has gone well at the Sharks under difficult circumstances. He also had a lot of involvement in the very successful pathways at the Sharks. Listen to him at his press conferences and he communicates well and has some history at WTs under Sheens.

Are you thinking a Morris/Sheens combo?

Yes I am.

From memory Sheens' divorce with the Tigers was a rather messy one. I'd say that bridge has been burned.

Unfortunate but most likely right

 

[Bigscreentv]

Well, I don't think (if true) that, that was a place or time to discuss it either, however they did turn it around a bit in the second half

I didn't want to do the whole "anonymous source" thing, but it's so frustrating to watch.

I have a very good source saying that there were huge issues last year with senior players disagreeing with him, questioning him on the handling of things etc This is why players left. There were high hopes that things would change but apparently they haven't.

I'm not sure about Tamou, but it wouldn't surprise me.

What things exactly..that's a pretty broad statement..

I know it's broad, which is why I was in two minds about saying it. I'm just frustrated though as after watching the game on the weekend it's obvious that the team doesn't play for him.

The major issue I heard what that there isn't clear communication, players are often confused, left in the dark. On top of this, the training is ridiculously hard, but geared towards a game plan that they don't believe in.

Then when things don't go to plan, they get worked even harder. Thats a tough spot to be in as a player.

There were incidents where players spoke up about this, and it didn't go down well.

I'm not going to say any more as I can't verify the source. **I'm not friends with Aloiai, just a frustrated fan wanting the best for the team.**

Sorry mate, but that last comment of yours makes it suspect.

Haha, I only said that as a previous post suggested I was friends with Aloiai...sorry i should have commented their post too.

 

[mike]

John Morris has gone well at the Sharks under difficult circumstances. He also had a lot of involvement in the very successful pathways at the Sharks. Listen to him at his press conferences and he communicates well and has some history at WTs under Sheens.

Are you thinking a Morris/Sheens combo?

Yes I am.

From memory Sheens' divorce with the Tigers was a rather messy one. I'd say that bridge has been burned.

That would be my take as well. Wasn’t their a lawsuit to get what was owed to Sheens? Can’t see him coming back.

 

[WT2K]

John Morris has gone well at the Sharks under difficult circumstances. He also had a lot of involvement in the very successful pathways at the Sharks. Listen to him at his press conferences and he communicates well and has some history at WTs under Sheens.

Are you thinking a Morris/Sheens combo?

Yes I am.

I don't think Sheens is the answer.

We can try, and if that's not the answer maybe we can give Mick Potter a go?

Jason Taylor perhaps after Mick if that doesn't work

 

[cochise]

Well, I don't think (if true) that, that was a place or time to discuss it either, however they did turn it around a bit in the second half

I didn't want to do the whole "anonymous source" thing, but it's so frustrating to watch.

I have a very good source saying that there were huge issues last year with senior players disagreeing with him, questioning him on the handling of things etc This is why players left. There were high hopes that things would change but apparently they haven't.

I'm not sure about Tamou, but it wouldn't surprise me.

What things exactly..that's a pretty broad statement..

I know it's broad, which is why I was in two minds about saying it. I'm just frustrated though as after watching the game on the weekend it's obvious that the team doesn't play for him.

The major issue I heard what that there isn't clear communication, players are often confused, left in the dark. On top of this, the training is ridiculously hard, but geared towards a game plan that they don't believe in.

Then when things don't go to plan, they get worked even harder. Thats a tough spot to be in as a player.

There were incidents where players spoke up about this, and it didn't go down well.

I'm not going to say any more as I can't verify the source. **I'm not friends with Aloiai, just a frustrated fan wanting the best for the team.**

Sorry mate, but that last comment of yours makes it suspect.

To be fair, I think that was in response to me asking if he was one of Aloiai's friends after what has happened hear in the past 6 months. Aloiai did leave the club but he was solely motivated by money.

 

[Devon Head]

John Morris has gone well at the Sharks under difficult circumstances. He also had a lot of involvement in the very successful pathways at the Sharks. Listen to him at his press conferences and he communicates well and has some history at WTs under Sheens.

I quite like John, his involvement in the pathways at Cronulla is highly respected.

He has done well with a very out of whack roster. Big name players on big $$ who are regularly out injured long term.

 

[TigerWest]

So your solution, if a coach can’t improve the side’s ladder position after an average first season, is to punt the coach in the third season?

Pretty much. It's quite obvious we're heading backwards, not forwards. There has been no progress, no improvement. He can't get us competing.

Haha good luck to the next bloke then. He gets 1 year's grace to take over from Madge, 1 legitimate year where he is measured, gets cut start of the third year if not surpassing the 2nd year inside 5 rounds.

You do recall of course, last time we course-corrected the coach in the first few rounds of his third year, all our best players left?

Do you really think he's a drawcard as a coach? We haven't really made any big signings since he's arrived - I don't think replacing him would harm our recruitment in any way. Additionally, objectively looking at our performances do you think we are heading in the right direction on the field? If not, what is the catalyst to turn it around? It appears to me as though things are getting worse and he has no answers to any of the questions.

We are in a lot of trouble if we can't make this work with Madge, what coach of any standing or with any ambition is going to come here if we sack Madge?

I don't rate him as high as others. I think the game has evolved and I don't believe he's evolved with it. I hope i'm wrong but I can't see this ending well.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time, I think he has a style he likes to play and expects his squad to adapt to that style and is unable to adapt his style to suit the squad. I think the new rules have made his style less effective as well.

The problem is we have a history of turning over coaches and having coaches come here to see their career die, so we need to put the support in around Madge to make this work as we will not attract a quality coach and will be left gambling on another rookie and we can't afford to gamble.

What's wrong with expecting highly paid players to adapt to the coaches play book, nearly all knew this before they signed?

Because sometimes the players are not capable of playing in that style or playbook, sometimes the game moves past that style. Especially when the game is going through a great deal of change.

There hasn't been much change in the game recently has there?

I take your point, but both he and Hartigan signed a lot of these blokes, did no one including the players do any research on who we signed?

 

[cochise]

John Morris has gone well at the Sharks under difficult circumstances. He also had a lot of involvement in the very successful pathways at the Sharks. Listen to him at his press conferences and he communicates well and has some history at WTs under Sheens.

Are you thinking a Morris/Sheens combo?

Yes I am.

From memory Sheens' divorce with the Tigers was a rather messy one. I'd say that bridge has been burned.

That would be my take as well. Wasn’t their a lawsuit to get what was owned to Sheens? Can’t see him coming back.

I think if Sheens was offered a role at any club right now he would jump at it.