Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Devon Head]

It has been said here that Ciraldo has overseen the best defensive team in the NRL but nobody knows how he would go with inferior players. As an example, look at the Penrith Parramatta final and you wouldn't see better defence than either side put up. Now, look at the assistants at those clubs and Ciraldo did really well but Parra had David Kidwell, who was a past defence coach at the Tigers and he did equally well in that game.
BUT Kidwell was a disaster as defence coach at the Wests Tigers. My point is that any reasonable coach can do well if he has a quality roster and it is the roster that needs improving under any future or present coach before we will have any success.

Yeah very good point.
Signing Ciraldo would be an enormous risk.

Every option is a large risk.

True but the green coaches are an unacceptable risk

Believe me I have thought that for a long time.

Taking on a Ciraldo or ESL coach is a risk because their experience in NRL as a head coach, with this squad is completely unknown.

Retaining Madge is a huge risk because his experience as a head coach of the Wests Tigers, with this squad is completely known.

One risk is unknown, the other is known. Past performance is the best indicator of future performances. Which do you hitch your wagon to?

I posted this earlier, all season I have thought to myself that I wanted to be confident of success if we made a coaching change because hope wasn't enough for me. After the season ended I am at the point that I think confidence is impossible so I will take hope.

My preference now would be to go with Ciraldo with really strong support around him, not because I will confident of success but just because it will give me hope for success and with Madge in charge I have none.

I hope that makes sense.

I like the idea of Ciraldo due to him being a young coach with more of a modern game take on the sport. He seems to be highly respected by players and will likely attract talent. Whether he can produce results on field remains to be seen however he's probably a gamble worth taking if there is a change.

 

[hank37w]

If we sign one of those pommy coaches, my god. Not only are we looking to the ESL because we can’t attract players, but now it’s also cos we can’t attract a coach. If those are our only options, stick with Madge.

Wolfe could be good

That's what they said about Madge.

 

[Geo]

If the reason for the roadblock to recruitment has been identified then the Board has no other course of action than to remove it.

That roadblock is Wests Tigers I’m afraid…

Elite players don’t want to play for us..you just need to look at the players who have left for your answer

 

[pawsandclaws1]

If the reason for the roadblock to recruitment has been identified then the Board has no other course of action than to remove it.

That roadblock is Wests Tigers I’m afraid…

Elite players don’t want to play for us..you just need to look at the players who have left for your answer

I'd be surprised if the review did not include discussions with player managers.

 

[mike]

It has been said here that Ciraldo has overseen the best defensive team in the NRL but nobody knows how he would go with inferior players. As an example, look at the Penrith Parramatta final and you wouldn't see better defence than either side put up. Now, look at the assistants at those clubs and Ciraldo did really well but Parra had David Kidwell, who was a past defence coach at the Tigers and he did equally well in that game.
BUT Kidwell was a disaster as defence coach at the Wests Tigers. My point is that any reasonable coach can do well if he has a quality roster and it is the roster that needs improving under any future or present coach before we will have any success.

Yeah very good point.
Signing Ciraldo would be an enormous risk.

Every option is a large risk.

Correct. Keeping Madge is also a huge risk.

Keeping Madge is the least risk and the way forward. The Board is the problem, not the coach.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

We need to hear something from the club in an official capacity today. We are being portrayed as a basket case in the media again. It is damaging the image of the club further. We need the club to stand up and officially state one way or another whether we are keeping Madge. We can’t let this circus go on for another day

 

[Canberratiger]

For years many on here and elsewhere were calling for a long-term rebuild rather than a quick fix, to stick with a coach to get it done, yet here we are again, replacing the coach. The only coach so far with the balls to rebuild the club properly.
I am aware that it is a results driven game, but sometimes things get worse before they get better. I would rather have another 3 years of being crap to then become a powerhouse rather than a quick fix to jag a spot in the 8. Now the club is in the typical position of looking ridiculous no matter which direction it heads in.
They should have stuck solid with Madge from the start of this review. Now there is too much noise around him.
I really hope that Ciraldo comes. He is inexperienced as a head coach but so was Bellamy when he took over the Storm.

 

[Tiger5150]

***We need t***o hear something from the club in an official capacity today. We are being portrayed as a basket case in the media again. It is damaging the image of the club further. We need the club to stand up and officially state one way or another whether we are keeping Madge. We can’t let this circus go on for another day

we need to get it right

 

[Geo]

If the reason for the roadblock to recruitment has been identified then the Board has no other course of action than to remove it.

That roadblock is Wests Tigers I’m afraid…

Elite players don’t want to play for us..you just need to look at the players who have left for your answer

I'd be surprised if the review did not include discussions with player managers.

Tedesco Papenhayzen Addo-Carr just to name 3 all had offers to stay at Wests Tigers all choose to leave for greener pastures.. this all predates Maguire and has everything to do with Wests Tigers attracting players to us..and building a roster..

Fans believe Laurie and Utiokamanu will be out the door 1st chance they get..

This board has always washed their hands of any of it.. they have always found a scapegoat.. Maguire is just the next poor snuck…never have they looked at themselves..

 

[pawsandclaws1]

If the reason for the roadblock to recruitment has been identified then the Board has no other course of action than to remove it.

That roadblock is Wests Tigers I’m afraid…

Elite players don’t want to play for us..you just need to look at the players who have left for your answer

I'd be surprised if the review did not include discussions with player managers.

Tedesco Papenhayzen Addo-Carr just to name 3 all had offers to stay at Wests Tigers all choose to leave for greener pastures.. this all predates Maguire and has everything to do with Wests Tigers attracting players to us..and building a roster..

Fans believe Laurie and Utiokamanu will be out the door 1st chance they get..

This board has always washed their hands of any of it.. they have always found a scapegoat.. Maguire is just the next poor snuck…never have they looked at themselves..

Please don't set Maguire up as the victim. Isn't 3 years of failure enough for you?

 

[Geo]

If the reason for the roadblock to recruitment has been identified then the Board has no other course of action than to remove it.

That roadblock is Wests Tigers I’m afraid…

Elite players don’t want to play for us..you just need to look at the players who have left for your answer

I'd be surprised if the review did not include discussions with player managers.

Tedesco Papenhayzen Addo-Carr just to name 3 all had offers to stay at Wests Tigers all choose to leave for greener pastures.. this all predates Maguire and has everything to do with Wests Tigers attracting players to us..and building a roster..

Fans believe Laurie and Utiokamanu will be out the door 1st chance they get..

This board has always washed their hands of any of it.. they have always found a scapegoat.. Maguire is just the next poor snuck…never have they looked at themselves..

Please don't set Maguire up as the victim. Isn't 3 years of failure enough for you?

Isn’t 20 years enough for you?

 

[mike]

If the reason for the roadblock to recruitment has been identified then the Board has no other course of action than to remove it.

That roadblock is Wests Tigers I’m afraid…

Elite players don’t want to play for us..you just need to look at the players who have left for your answer

I'd be surprised if the review did not include discussions with player managers.

Tedesco Papenhayzen Addo-Carr just to name 3 all had offers to stay at Wests Tigers all choose to leave for greener pastures.. this all predates Maguire and has everything to do with Wests Tigers attracting players to us..and building a roster..

Fans believe Laurie and Utiokamanu will be out the door 1st chance they get..

This board has always washed their hands of any of it.. they have always found a scapegoat.. Maguire is just the next poor snuck…never have they looked at themselves..

Please don't set Maguire up as the victim. Isn't 3 years of failure enough for you?

Isn’t 20 years enough for you?

22 actually

 

[Geo]

If the reason for the roadblock to recruitment has been identified then the Board has no other course of action than to remove it.

That roadblock is Wests Tigers I’m afraid…

Elite players don’t want to play for us..you just need to look at the players who have left for your answer

I'd be surprised if the review did not include discussions with player managers.

Tedesco Papenhayzen Addo-Carr just to name 3 all had offers to stay at Wests Tigers all choose to leave for greener pastures.. this all predates Maguire and has everything to do with Wests Tigers attracting players to us..and building a roster..

Fans believe Laurie and Utiokamanu will be out the door 1st chance they get..

This board has always washed their hands of any of it.. they have always found a scapegoat.. Maguire is just the next poor snuck…never have they looked at themselves..

Please don't set Maguire up as the victim. Isn't 3 years of failure enough for you?

Isn’t 20 years enough for you?

22 actually

I was being generous

 

[Swordy]

Not too many people have mentioned player managers. They play a huge roll in controlling what goes on at clubs.

The Tedesco, Moses, Brooks Woods thing was all about player manager and nothing else. People claiming the club played it poorly either dont know or have short memories. That player manager is supposedly no longer trading as you know.

But if you think its all about recruiting officers and coaches attracting people, youre sadly mistaken. At least half of what goes on has to do with player managers positioning themselves. Clubs missing out on players is not always about the club, its often about what else a player manager can squeeze out of everyone, and usually without a care for their main client either.

So, add some balance to the argument people. And the next coach, whoever that may be, will have the same issues.

 

[NJLM78]

We need to hear something from the club in an official capacity today. We are being portrayed as a basket case in the media again. It is damaging the image of the club further. We need the club to stand up and officially state one way or another whether we are keeping Madge. We can’t let this circus go on for another day

Agreed! There are players up for grabs who aren't world-beaters but who could certainly improve our side yet we are not negotiating with any of them while the coaching situation gets sorted. Seriously. They are all being linked to other clubs. This needs to be sorted out immediately.

 

[cktiger]

If the reason for the roadblock to recruitment has been identified then the Board has no other course of action than to remove it.

That roadblock is Wests Tigers I’m afraid…

Elite players don’t want to play for us..you just need to look at the players who have left for your answer

I'd be surprised if the review did not include discussions with player managers.

Tedesco Papenhayzen Addo-Carr just to name 3 all had offers to stay at Wests Tigers all choose to leave for greener pastures.. this all predates Maguire and has everything to do with Wests Tigers attracting players to us..and building a roster..

Fans believe Laurie and Utiokamanu will be out the door 1st chance they get..

This board has always washed their hands of any of it.. they have always found a scapegoat.. Maguire is just the next poor snuck…never have they looked at themselves..

Please don't set Maguire up as the victim. Isn't 3 years of failure enough for you?

Don't forget we've got 2 blokes who have been mucking about and failing in first grade, for 9 years each, who seem to get a free ride.
That's without even mentioning Pascoe or the board.
One out, all out.

 

[wonka]

If Madge is so passionate about the club why did he hire the worst coaching assistants.
Madge puts Madge first.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The obfuscation blaming the Board and anyone else except Maguire has reached new heights, even for this Forum.

 

[tigerfan59]

Why is Madge being punted and not the players with their poor performances who don’t want to play but want the cash.Daily Telegraph says Ciraldo won’t be taking up the opportunity so why not let Madge keep rebuilding what he’s started now that Ivans cash grabbers are gone.Club is making more of a mess now than what we are already in by punting Madge

 

[Tim Sheens]

Make the call now or possibly a few rounds into next season. Neither may eventuate, but if the second was to occur again five years post Taylor's removal, it would likely be disastrous.