Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Geo]

Madge wasnt to blame for poor leadership and descissions on the feild in 22.

The players and the salary cap henlanded with would cripple Bennett or Bellamy.

The thing i respect most about Madge is the Hard work and Practice ethic.

We do the stuff on the practice feild and then execute in a game. Its simple.

I would lke to see Madge judged on 2023 and not on 2022.

Madge wasnt to blame for poor leadership and descissions on the feild in 22.

The players and the salary cap henlanded with would cripple Bennett or Bellamy.

The thing i respect most about Madge is the Hard work and Practice ethic.

We do the stuff on the practice feild and then execute in a game. Its simple.

I would lke to see Madge judged on 2023 and not on 2022.

"22 hasn't even kicked off yet ...bit hard to judge how we will go on the field decision wise..

 

[TrueTiger]

I do feel for Madge, he is in a no win situation. Failure is on him, success will be a result of Sheens being brought in.

This narrative is already unfolding when it comes to 2022 recruitment.

Sheens can now capitalize on the work Madge put in and clearing the deck,obviously Sheens will get the credit,while he sat in England waiting to come here,Madge was getting belted from pillar to post trying to field a competative team and righting the cap....

 

[Spartan117]

Madge wasnt to blame for poor leadership and descissions on the feild in 22.
The players and the salary cap henlanded with would cripple Bennett or Bellamy.
The thing i respect most about Madge is the Hard work and Practice ethic.
We do the stuff on the practice feild and then execute in a game. Its simple.
I would lke to see Madge judged on 2023 and not on 2022.

"22 hasn’t even kicked off yet …bit hard to judge how we will go on the field decision wise…

Based on 21, our recruitment, the perceived progress of our competitors. I think its pretty clear that were in the bottom part of the curve in terms of rebuild.

Im thinking that 22 will be rough with rays of sunshine

 

[TigerWest]

I honestly think the club can challenge for the 8, but not with Maguire in charge. He has proven time and again
* that he coaches the team he wants not the team he has;
* is unable to draw effort out of the players;
* his game plans are rigid and set for 2014 style of play not 2022;
* he doesn't hold players accountable for sub standard performances; ( e.g.Nofo lets in 2.3 tries for every one he scores)
* for the forwards he recruits the same player focusing on size, strength and not stamina or line speed (Stefano not included)

Sheenius isn't the answer (those of us that are old enough know why), Gardiner is to inexperienced, they need to look at Morris, Cartwright, Furner, Ciraldo, Henry or Parrish. If the management of the club haven't started looking for Madges replacement, then they are part of the problem.

They have a side that may challenge the eight because of Madge.
Firstly he took over a side that was full of old, hasbeen players on long contracts. That was not Madge's fault. Madge did what he had to do , clean out the dead wood , which he did. The pathways was a complete mess prior to Madge, look at Pathways now, our lower grades are the best they have been prior to JT turning up at the club. Last year he got together a team that was basically, the most young, inexperienced team in the competition, have hardly played a game together, . Of course they look like a team with no cohesion, that was expected, however a lot of our young players improved, look at Laurie, Stefano, Blore, Douehie, Talau, Luciano (all have improved under Madge), these players were not even first graders or at least regular first graders, before they came here, then you have Liddle, coming back from a horrific injury, he will be even better this year.
You wankers that get on board the Tele and Fox express, and believe in the dribble and constant crap. They try to derail the Wests Tigers constantly, and some of you people get blinded by it. Honestly your not supporters your just baggers.

Good post, expectations need to be realistic.

 

[Spartan117]

I honestly think the club can challenge for the 8, but not with Maguire in charge. He has proven time and again
* that he coaches the team he wants not the team he has;
*

Great point but I look at it differently. He wants them to play the way that is sustainable, the way that wins and the way that everyone wants this club to play. If the players can't put in the effort, they can be moved on. And now with a proper coaching pathway as well, junior coaches can nurture the juniors in that way too.

On the other hand, great coaches like Bennett and Hasler are able to get the best out of the team in front of them, whereas Madge definitely hasn't.

I doubt any of the great coaches would have faired better with this roster or our facilities.

The players lacked premium talent and the right attitude.

Our squad was made of youngsters, prospects or paycheck players

Think about how many of our team would make the squad at the roosters, Penrith or storm??

Maybe 2....

 

[KH1988]

I honestly think the club can challenge for the 8, but not with Maguire in charge. He has proven time and again
* that he coaches the team he wants not the team he has;
*

Great point but I look at it differently. He wants them to play the way that is sustainable, the way that wins and the way that everyone wants this club to play. If the players can't put in the effort, they can be moved on. And now with a proper coaching pathway as well, junior coaches can nurture the juniors in that way too.

On the other hand, great coaches like Bennett and Hasler are able to get the best out of the team in front of them, whereas Madge definitely hasn't.

I doubt any of the great coaches would have faired better with this roster or our facilities.

The players lacked premium talent and the right attitude.

Our squad was made of youngsters, prospects or paycheck players

Think about how many of our team would make the squad at the roosters, Penrith or storm??

Maybe 2....

Maguire largely assembled that roster

 

[aturkey]

Poor Madge Magoober. I wish we had a coach I didn't have to feel sorry for. Poor Madge. Woe is Madge. Just get us into the 8 you 'top tier coach.'

 

[Spartan117]

I honestly think the club can challenge for the 8, but not with Maguire in charge. He has proven time and again
* that he coaches the team he wants not the team he has;
*

Great point but I look at it differently. He wants them to play the way that is sustainable, the way that wins and the way that everyone wants this club to play. If the players can't put in the effort, they can be moved on. And now with a proper coaching pathway as well, junior coaches can nurture the juniors in that way too.

On the other hand, great coaches like Bennett and Hasler are able to get the best out of the team in front of them, whereas Madge definitely hasn't.

I doubt any of the great coaches would have faired better with this roster or our facilities.

The players lacked premium talent and the right attitude.

Our squad was made of youngsters, prospects or paycheck players

Think about how many of our team would make the squad at the roosters, Penrith or storm??

Maybe 2....

Maguire largely assembled that roster

Yes he did, He had 15 years of baggage, Salary cap issue and no one wanting to come here.

 

[earl]

I honestly think the club can challenge for the 8, but not with Maguire in charge. He has proven time and again
* that he coaches the team he wants not the team he has;
*

Great point but I look at it differently. He wants them to play the way that is sustainable, the way that wins and the way that everyone wants this club to play. If the players can't put in the effort, they can be moved on. And now with a proper coaching pathway as well, junior coaches can nurture the juniors in that way too.

On the other hand, great coaches like Bennett and Hasler are able to get the best out of the team in front of them, whereas Madge definitely hasn't.

I doubt any of the great coaches would have faired better with this roster or our facilities.

The players lacked premium talent and the right attitude.

Our squad was made of youngsters, prospects or paycheck players

Think about how many of our team would make the squad at the roosters, Penrith or storm??

Maybe 2....

Maguire largely assembled that roster

Yes he did, He had 15 years of baggage, Salary cap issue and no one wanting to come here.

It's all well and good to state Madge assembled that roster. I'm sure if he could pick from every player he'd have a better team.

 

[KH1988]

I honestly think the club can challenge for the 8, but not with Maguire in charge. He has proven time and again
* that he coaches the team he wants not the team he has;
*

Great point but I look at it differently. He wants them to play the way that is sustainable, the way that wins and the way that everyone wants this club to play. If the players can't put in the effort, they can be moved on. And now with a proper coaching pathway as well, junior coaches can nurture the juniors in that way too.

On the other hand, great coaches like Bennett and Hasler are able to get the best out of the team in front of them, whereas Madge definitely hasn't.

I doubt any of the great coaches would have faired better with this roster or our facilities.

The players lacked premium talent and the right attitude.

Our squad was made of youngsters, prospects or paycheck players

Think about how many of our team would make the squad at the roosters, Penrith or storm??

Maybe 2....

Maguire largely assembled that roster

Yes he did, He had 15 years of baggage, Salary cap issue and no one wanting to come here.

From all reports he has been one of the reasons that players have been reluctant to come here over the last 3 years

 

[pawsandclaws1]

We should reflect on Sheens' comment in his interview with Phil Rothfield.

Madge has got to improve us. Simple as that.

 

[twentyforty]

We should reflect on Sheens' comment in his interview with Phil Rothfield.

Madge has got to improve us. Simple as that.

Paws, we could also reflect on Sheens’ complete answer to Buzz’s question..

"Of course we need to do better but for me it’s not just about making the eight. Not unless when you make the eight you’re a chance of winning the comp. You run eighth and then go out the back door week one," Sheens said.

"Everyone is under pressure. It’s a results-driven business and there are a lot of NRL coaches under pressure. The expectations of every club is to be successful. (North Queensland’s) Todd (Payten) and (Canterbury’s) Trent (Barrett) are under pressure. You actually embrace it but don’t coach or act that way. You can’t panic. Madge has got to improve us. Simple as that."

Sure, it’s imperative we improve, but what are we measuring? How can we know when we have sustainable improvement? Can it be measured in half a season?

 

[tig_prmz]

I honestly think the club can challenge for the 8, but not with Maguire in charge. He has proven time and again
* that he coaches the team he wants not the team he has;
*

Great point but I look at it differently. He wants them to play the way that is sustainable, the way that wins and the way that everyone wants this club to play. If the players can't put in the effort, they can be moved on. And now with a proper coaching pathway as well, junior coaches can nurture the juniors in that way too.

On the other hand, great coaches like Bennett and Hasler are able to get the best out of the team in front of them, whereas Madge definitely hasn't.

I doubt any of the great coaches would have faired better with this roster or our facilities.

The players lacked premium talent and the right attitude.

Our squad was made of youngsters, prospects or paycheck players

Think about how many of our team would make the squad at the roosters, Penrith or storm??

Maybe 2....

They may have, we don't know..

Think of almost every single senior player at the club in the last 3 years.. Packer, Brooks, Noffa, Roberts, Leilua, , Tamou.. no one has played even close to their best under Madge.

The only people who seem to have gotten better are Twal and Douehi. Laurie and Stefano are still rookies. Matterson hit his peak with us but had troubles with Madge.

The team has struggled to play together but even individually majority of players have had a poor time under Madge.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

We should reflect on Sheens' comment in his interview with Phil Rothfield.

Madge has got to improve us. Simple as that.


Paws, we could also reflect on Sheens’ complete answer to Buzz’s question..

"Of course we need to do better but for me it’s not just about making the eight. Not unless when you make the eight you’re a chance of winning the comp. You run eighth and then go out the back door week one," Sheens said.

"Everyone is under pressure. It’s a results-driven business and there are a lot of NRL coaches under pressure. The expectations of every club is to be successful. (North Queensland’s) Todd (Payten) and (Canterbury’s) Trent (Barrett) are under pressure. You actually embrace it but don’t coach or act that way. You can’t panic. Madge has got to improve us. Simple as that."

Sure, it’s imperative we improve, but what are we measuring? How can we know when we have sustainable improvement? Can it be measured in half a season?

Was it Sheens elsewhere who said words similar to a coach usually gets 3 years? This is Maguire's fourth.

 

[TigerWest]

I honestly think the club can challenge for the 8, but not with Maguire in charge. He has proven time and again
* that he coaches the team he wants not the team he has;
*

Great point but I look at it differently. He wants them to play the way that is sustainable, the way that wins and the way that everyone wants this club to play. If the players can't put in the effort, they can be moved on. And now with a proper coaching pathway as well, junior coaches can nurture the juniors in that way too.

On the other hand, great coaches like Bennett and Hasler are able to get the best out of the team in front of them, whereas Madge definitely hasn't.

I doubt any of the great coaches would have faired better with this roster or our facilities.

The players lacked premium talent and the right attitude.

Our squad was made of youngsters, prospects or paycheck players

Think about how many of our team would make the squad at the roosters, Penrith or storm??

Maybe 2....

Maguire largely assembled that roster

Yes he did, He had 15 years of baggage, Salary cap issue and no one wanting to come here.

From all reports he has been one of the reasons that players have been reluctant to come here over the last 3 years

What reports are those? I have never heard a player say anything bad against him?

 

[twentyforty]

I honestly think the club can challenge for the 8, but not with Maguire in charge. He has proven time and again
* that he coaches the team he wants not the team he has;
*

Great point but I look at it differently. He wants them to play the way that is sustainable, the way that wins and the way that everyone wants this club to play. If the players can't put in the effort, they can be moved on. And now with a proper coaching pathway as well, junior coaches can nurture the juniors in that way too.

On the other hand, great coaches like Bennett and Hasler are able to get the best out of the team in front of them, whereas Madge definitely hasn't.

I doubt any of the great coaches would have faired better with this roster or our facilities.

The players lacked premium talent and the right attitude.

Our squad was made of youngsters, prospects or paycheck players

Think about how many of our team would make the squad at the roosters, Penrith or storm??

Maybe 2....

They may have, we don't know..

Think of almost every single senior player at the club in the last 3 years.. Packer, Brooks, Noffa, Roberts, Leilua, , Tamou.. no one has played even close to their best under Madge.

The only people who seem to have gotten better are Twal and Douehi. Laurie and Stefano are still rookies. Matterson hit his peak with us but had troubles with Madge.

The team has struggled to play together but even individually majority of players have had a poor time under Madge.

It’s inevitable that when you try to throw out the garbage, it seems to start breeding season for white ants. What I can see is the players you’ve mentioned are steadily increasing in number.

 

[KH1988]

I honestly think the club can challenge for the 8, but not with Maguire in charge. He has proven time and again
* that he coaches the team he wants not the team he has;
*

Great point but I look at it differently. He wants them to play the way that is sustainable, the way that wins and the way that everyone wants this club to play. If the players can't put in the effort, they can be moved on. And now with a proper coaching pathway as well, junior coaches can nurture the juniors in that way too.

On the other hand, great coaches like Bennett and Hasler are able to get the best out of the team in front of them, whereas Madge definitely hasn't.

I doubt any of the great coaches would have faired better with this roster or our facilities.

The players lacked premium talent and the right attitude.

Our squad was made of youngsters, prospects or paycheck players

Think about how many of our team would make the squad at the roosters, Penrith or storm??

Maybe 2....

Maguire largely assembled that roster

Yes he did, He had 15 years of baggage, Salary cap issue and no one wanting to come here.

From all reports he has been one of the reasons that players have been reluctant to come here over the last 3 years

What reports are those? I have never heard a player say anything bad against him?

Not sure if this is sarcasm

 

[twentyforty]

I honestly think the club can challenge for the 8, but not with Maguire in charge. He has proven time and again
* that he coaches the team he wants not the team he has;
*

Great point but I look at it differently. He wants them to play the way that is sustainable, the way that wins and the way that everyone wants this club to play. If the players can't put in the effort, they can be moved on. And now with a proper coaching pathway as well, junior coaches can nurture the juniors in that way too.

On the other hand, great coaches like Bennett and Hasler are able to get the best out of the team in front of them, whereas Madge definitely hasn't.

I doubt any of the great coaches would have faired better with this roster or our facilities.

The players lacked premium talent and the right attitude.

Our squad was made of youngsters, prospects or paycheck players

Think about how many of our team would make the squad at the roosters, Penrith or storm??

Maybe 2....

Maguire largely assembled that roster

Yes he did, He had 15 years of baggage, Salary cap issue and no one wanting to come here.

From all reports he has been one of the reasons that players have been reluctant to come here over the last 3 years

What reports are those? I have never heard a player say anything bad against him?

Joey Leilua didn’t speak too kindly of Madge as he left?
?

 

[TigerWest]

I honestly think the club can challenge for the 8, but not with Maguire in charge. He has proven time and again
* that he coaches the team he wants not the team he has;
*

Great point but I look at it differently. He wants them to play the way that is sustainable, the way that wins and the way that everyone wants this club to play. If the players can't put in the effort, they can be moved on. And now with a proper coaching pathway as well, junior coaches can nurture the juniors in that way too.

On the other hand, great coaches like Bennett and Hasler are able to get the best out of the team in front of them, whereas Madge definitely hasn't.

I doubt any of the great coaches would have faired better with this roster or our facilities.

The players lacked premium talent and the right attitude.

Our squad was made of youngsters, prospects or paycheck players

Think about how many of our team would make the squad at the roosters, Penrith or storm??

Maybe 2....

Maguire largely assembled that roster

Yes he did, He had 15 years of baggage, Salary cap issue and no one wanting to come here.

From all reports he has been one of the reasons that players have been reluctant to come here over the last 3 years

What reports are those? I have never heard a player say anything bad against him?

Joey Leilua didn’t speak too kindly of Madge as he left?
?

I would take blokes that left with not a lot of credibility, but the comment was”players have been reluctant to come here”?

I can’t recall any player saying this as the reason as to not come here?

 

[twentyforty]

I honestly think the club can challenge for the 8, but not with Maguire in charge. He has proven time and again
* that he coaches the team he wants not the team he has;
*

Great point but I look at it differently. He wants them to play the way that is sustainable, the way that wins and the way that everyone wants this club to play. If the players can't put in the effort, they can be moved on. And now with a proper coaching pathway as well, junior coaches can nurture the juniors in that way too.

On the other hand, great coaches like Bennett and Hasler are able to get the best out of the team in front of them, whereas Madge definitely hasn't.

I doubt any of the great coaches would have faired better with this roster or our facilities.

The players lacked premium talent and the right attitude.

Our squad was made of youngsters, prospects or paycheck players

Think about how many of our team would make the squad at the roosters, Penrith or storm??

Maybe 2....

Maguire largely assembled that roster

Yes he did, He had 15 years of baggage, Salary cap issue and no one wanting to come here.

From all reports he has been one of the reasons that players have been reluctant to come here over the last 3 years

What reports are those? I have never heard a player say anything bad against him?

Joey Leilua didn’t speak too kindly of Madge as he left?
?

I would take blokes that left with not a lot of credibility, but the comment was”players have been reluctant to come here”?

I can’t recall any player saying this as the reason as to not come here?

I've not read or heard a bad word about Madge from anyone other than a few posters here who don't produce any evidence. What we do know is the last two signings have played under Madge and obviously keen to reunite with the Premiership winning coach.