Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

If it is true that some ‘senior’ players have their noses out of joint then it would be good to know exactly which ones. This info always gets conveniently left out.
Is it senior as in age/experience like Roberts, BJ, Tamou or is it guys who have been at the club a long time like Brooks and Nofo?
To be honest, out of that lot, there’s not many who have playing out of the box.
Maybe just an excuse to cover their poor form.
 
@snake said in [Sack Madge](/post/1333885) said:
@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1333877) said:
@spud_murphy said in [Sack Madge](/post/1333829) said:
Sack Madge and get who? I honestly don’t think even Bellamy or Bennett could improve this mob. Every coach we’ve had since Sheens left has struggled to get anything out of this team. The roster changes but the results never do.

We could get Morris cheap as he will be looking for a club

I would give Madge to mid season if nothing improves get rid of him ... Sign Morris! lets face facts one day a coach will,work out .

Great philosophy - race is half over, we aren't in front, let's go back to the start.

Did a great job on the weekend - beaten by an 18 year old kid!
 
@geo said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335611) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335600) said:
@speed2burn said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335596) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335583) said:
@bigscreentv said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335581) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335579) said:
@watersider said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335574) said:
Just having a think about our problems I'd suggest the following issues:

1. Liddle and Brooks stifle attack. As our main organisers they often look a little lost. You see them change direction, stop halfway and cause errors in other players with high risk thoughtless options. They should be building our sets, but there doesn't seem to be a sense of where they want to go. It is noticeable the different in class between Farah, Grant and Marshall to these two now that they are gone. In contrast, you watch Doueihi and even though he sometimes gets stuck with the ball he's pretty smooth and simple in his play and players around him play off him well.

2. Edge defenders aren't good. Joe O, in his first game out there looked a little lost, Garner before him hasn't been good and on the other side Luciano and Joey got themselves confused. This is magnified by issue three.

3. Just tackling. We suck at it. You see the way Penrith hold a man up and get three or four in the tackle which allows for good line speed and pressure, it's just really hard to match. We get dominated in the tackle with our markers struggling to get square and this leads to quick play the balls and lots of one on one tackles, which compounds our problems. Because we can't stop momentum there's very little pressure on the opposition and a lot of strain on us. You see this particularly on our own line, where simple passes after quick play the balls lead to easy tries and players are able to offload because we're on the backfoot. This all leads to lacklustre effort in attack as well.

Above everything else we need to tackle better. We have never been good at this as a club. 20 years and we've never been a strong tackling team.

I don't think the issue is the coach, I'm just trying to identify what the issues actually are.


I think you are on the money.

For me I'd start with dropping Liddle. All attack stems from DH and he has been abysmal. See what comes from that.

Who's responsibility is it to make sure forwards aren't one out? This is a serious question. To me it's patterns at training. They shouldn't be winging it on the field, surely?


A big part of the forwards play is confidence. They have to know where they are running and that they are going to get good ball.

There was one time in the second half, Liddle picks up from DH on the left, just inside our half and from memory it was Joffa running hard onto it. Liddle picked the ball up, took a few slow steps, waited and gave it to Joffa about a 1m before he got to the defence and he was BELTED. Did well to hang onto the ball. Couldnt have planned it bettter to get one of your forwards smashed. It was staggering.

I think you’re talking about Twal, unless there was one with Joffa that I missed

Twal was steaming onto the ball, liddle takes two steps and a shimmy, which causes twal to stutter & second guess his run. Liddle follows through and throws a low percentage forward pass


No it wasnt that one. It wasnt a forward pass, it was a hospital pass. Liddle passing left to right, stood up, a few slow steps for no purpose, waited, waited, gave it to (I think) Joffa immediately before he got belted.

I was thinking about this today..You know what we also miss a 9 that has some semblance of a long kicking game out of dummy half..Jacob never has not sure on Simpkin but haven't seen it in reggies yet..doesn't have to be dominate because as it is now you know a kick is only comming from the halves..


You have to admit we are definitely missing Robbies kicking game as an extra prong of attack.

You also have to wonder about Liddle's passing game which really seams to be off this year and it makes me think back to the story about Lucy and Jacob having a punch up at training about Jacob's passing.

Don't get me wrong, I've always been a supporter of both Jacob and Lucy, but for the most part, they both need to have a good look at their passing game.
 
@cktiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335854) said:
If it is true that some ‘senior’ players have their noses out of joint then it would be good to know exactly which ones. This info always gets conveniently left out.
Is it senior as in age/experience like Roberts, BJ, Tamou or is it guys who have been at the club a long time like Brooks and Nofo?
To be honest, out of that lot, there’s not many who have playing out of the box.
Maybe just an excuse to cover their poor form.

I guess you've got to ask if it's chicken or the egg?

Players who've been at the club for a while.

Let's hope we can start well on the weekend and build from it.
 
I've refrained from posting after Sunday, but I can't help it at this point.

How easy would it have been to be a coach this week in terms of motivation. An all-time legend passes away, sold out crowd, massive build up, club does plenty of good things in the lead up (except for Lee to hold the jersey up, he's only chairman for his own self interest), and we produce THAT. We conceded 34 points to a Ron Massey Cup backline.

Now Payten may have out-coached us, but that's not the issue here. If Madge couldn't get them up for that, something's wrong. Very wrong. His new coaching staff was lauded as the backroom changes we needed, but we've gone backwards. Webster heads to Penrith and look how they're travelling, and I've never rated the bloke. Josh Hannay has done plenty for Cronulla's defensive resilience, same goes for Cameron Ciraldo at Penrith, and yet Wayne Collins, and Madge (who everyone has always said is a defence-oriented coach) have done zero for us. We had 6 months of pre-season and weren't able to count numbers at any point last Sunday. Those early shifts by the Cowboys made me sick.

James Roberts unfortunately is a ghost of his former self. The selection of Ofahengaue in the back row was questionable to say the least and to say that his bench rotation has been robotic for the past 3 years is the understatement of the century.

Very torn at the moment. I always wanted Madge to succeed but we need an internal review sooner rather than later before this gets even worse. We finally have our pathways and depth in a good place, with an array of excellent young talent that is on the verge of hitting the top grade, and they're either going to leave or not hit their straps like Brooks unless we work out what's going on in there. If that ends in Madge leaving, I won't be disappointed if it means we have someone that can rally the troops. This has gone on far too long.
 
@geo said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335777) said:
@twentyforty said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335722) said:
@tigerblood93 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335702) said:
I’m sick of sacking coaches every few years, but the question is if the rumours are true, this is not a good thing for us.

If Tamou a veteran of the game who’s played for his country, state and over 250games and only just come to our club has the need to chat to the coach at half time because the team and him believe the game plan isn’t working. Gets punished for it aswell... This only sounds like the rumours we heard last year about egg shells, bad communication and lost the room.. somethings up!

Why was tamou hooked after just 25ish mins.. Madge was coy about it during the post game interview.

Secondly benji hinted at similar things, Josh aloia also said stuff happened Behind the scenes, also contracts being offered but not being registered for McIntyre.

Madge is the kiwi coach and somehow can’t recruit any top stars? Watching the Shaun Johnson interview it’s clear players talk to other players about the coach. What are players saying about our coach? We haven’t signed anyone major and we have premiership winning coach.

Madge is supposed to be a defence coach but somehow our last 12ish games we have let in over 20 points.. why do we have no line speed this early in the comp? The players shouldn’t be fatigued already. We know Madge is old school do we think he can adapt to what is relevant now days? You can’t treat every player the same, the game has changed in regards to rules. Old techniques don’t work and you need to adapt? Is madges game plan outdated?
Does Madge train them too hard during the week that by game day the boys aren’t 100% up for it. (Sure seems that way)

if we get rid of Madge is there anyone better on the market?
( we put a clause in the contract funnily enough just incase there was a mutiny)

Maybe we can hire someone like Morris to work between the coach and players.. will be hard if Madge is as hard nosed as reported

Long read I know but at the end of the day, I don’t want this to stall us anymore, I don’t want to lose players because of it. Talau, Simpkin Blor, Laurie, Tuki. If it’s the players or the coac, I choose the playe

“if we get rid of Madge is there anyone better on the market?
( we put a clause in the contract funnily enough just incase there was a mutiny) “

Are the players also aware of this?

Well they are now it was in the paper


Would be more believable if it was on Facebook.
 
I think Maguire is on shaky ground and this situation seems to be one of 2 things.

a/ Maguire is coaching the team not to do what every other team is doing eg move up quick in defence and the other things most people here mention in criticism of the teams performance each week.

b/ He is coaching those things and the players are not doing it on the field on the day.

If its the coaching what on earth is their master plan and why isnt it working and changes made?

If its the players again thinking theyre better than the coach. Turf each and every one out on their ear with no contract termination payment. let them fight it in court.
 
@tigerwest said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335707) said:
@dazza65 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335595) said:
@tigerwest said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335035) said:
@tigerdave said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335022) said:
@davey_farrell said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335013) said:
the rumour going round is Tamou confronted Madge in dressing room at half time about how wrong the game plan was and they had a blow up, hence why Tamou didnt play any of the 2nd half

Yeah saw that posted on Facebook. Hate these rumours.

I can't see how any sort of plan involved the players not making tackles.

Interesting, none of the main journo's have got on to it, how legit is facebook with this stuff?

Seriously asking if Facebook is legit??????

Yes I am, I have never used it.


Well, considering Facebook is the major purveyor of dis-information around vaccination, 5G, chemtrails and other associated nutbag conspiracy theories.... I would say nah......
 
@jrtiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335861) said:
I've refrained from posting after Sunday, but I can't help it at this point.

How easy would it have been to be a coach this week in terms of motivation. An all-time legend passes away, sold out crowd, massive build up, club does plenty of good things in the lead up (except for Lee to hold the jersey up, he's only chairman for his own self interest), and we produce THAT. We conceded 34 points to a Ron Massey Cup backline.

Now Payten may have out-coached us, but that's not the issue here. If Madge couldn't get them up for that, something's wrong. Very wrong. His new coaching staff was lauded as the backroom changes we needed, but we've gone backwards. Webster heads to Penrith and look how they're travelling, and I've never rated the bloke. Josh Hannay has done plenty for Cronulla's defensive resilience, same goes for Cameron Ciraldo at Penrith, and yet Wayne Collins, and Madge (who everyone has always said is a defence-oriented coach) have done zero for us. We had 6 months of pre-season and weren't able to count numbers at any point last Sunday. Those early shifts by the Cowboys made me sick.

James Roberts unfortunately is a ghost of his former self. The selection of Ofahengaue in the back row was questionable to say the least and to say that his bench rotation has been robotic for the past 3 years is the understatement of the century.

Very torn at the moment. I always wanted Madge to succeed but we need an internal review sooner rather than later before this gets even worse. We finally have our pathways and depth in a good place, with an array of excellent young talent that is on the verge of hitting the top grade, and they're either going to leave or not hit their straps like Brooks unless we work out what's going on in there. If that ends in Madge leaving, I won't be disappointed if it means we have someone that can rally the troops. This has gone on far too long.

Ciraldo is to the Sharks.

Play positive attacking football. We've one of the most dangerous fullbacks in the game. Let's use him off LL and with in goal kicks from Brooks. Get the Jet involved.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335874) said:
@jrtiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335861) said:
I've refrained from posting after Sunday, but I can't help it at this point.

How easy would it have been to be a coach this week in terms of motivation. An all-time legend passes away, sold out crowd, massive build up, club does plenty of good things in the lead up (except for Lee to hold the jersey up, he's only chairman for his own self interest), and we produce THAT. We conceded 34 points to a Ron Massey Cup backline.

Now Payten may have out-coached us, but that's not the issue here. If Madge couldn't get them up for that, something's wrong. Very wrong. His new coaching staff was lauded as the backroom changes we needed, but we've gone backwards. Webster heads to Penrith and look how they're travelling, and I've never rated the bloke. Josh Hannay has done plenty for Cronulla's defensive resilience, same goes for Cameron Ciraldo at Penrith, and yet Wayne Collins, and Madge (who everyone has always said is a defence-oriented coach) have done zero for us. We had 6 months of pre-season and weren't able to count numbers at any point last Sunday. Those early shifts by the Cowboys made me sick.

James Roberts unfortunately is a ghost of his former self. The selection of Ofahengaue in the back row was questionable to say the least and to say that his bench rotation has been robotic for the past 3 years is the understatement of the century.

Very torn at the moment. I always wanted Madge to succeed but we need an internal review sooner rather than later before this gets even worse. We finally have our pathways and depth in a good place, with an array of excellent young talent that is on the verge of hitting the top grade, and they're either going to leave or not hit their straps like Brooks unless we work out what's going on in there. If that ends in Madge leaving, I won't be disappointed if it means we have someone that can rally the troops. This has gone on far too long.

Ciraldo is to the Sharks.

Play positive attacking football. We've one of the most dangerous fullbacks in the game. Let's use him off LL and with in goal kicks from Brooks. Get the Jet involved.

I know Ciraldo isn't coming here, just saying that our backroom staff don't hold a candle to him. I agree on the fact that we don't use our strike players enough, the only one that gets sufficient ball is Luch. Our structures are slow and lifeless. When we hit Laurie out the back teams have already numbered up. Brooks is very good with the ball in hand (7 try assists in 5 games), but can't lead a team around to save his life. Unless something changes soon in that department I don't see him as our halfback for much longer unfortunately.
 
I can understand the frustrations and the passion from fans.
My issue is we were genuinely hoping that all our 50-50 buys paid off.
Here's an alternative view
For the first time that I can remember our reserves and our junior teams are booming. This if done correctly gives us first crack to keep them.
It's also along time since we had people in the lower grades we have been genuinely excited for and that can pressure the top grade.
We have had limited cap space and taken some low risk high reward swings at players. Said players are all on team friendly contracts.
Jtj, bugger all money huge upside. Hasn't really offere we alot
Joey, has been a beast in the past sign for a decent contract but with team opitions. Hasn't lives up to the hype.
James tamou, brought in to lead a very young pack on smallish money. Achieving how I thought he would. Will slowly be lowering his minutes but will hopefully teach the younger fellas professionalism.
Joffa another purchase with broncs paying a chunk of his salary. Personally think he has been a good buy playing solid.
I'll leave out the others like ad, Lucy etc.

Now we literally have a tonne of cap coming up as well. So overall we are heading in the right direction and it may be a case of madge builds the infrastructure and someone comes in to finish the job but I have been impressed with our overall direction. We are not a big market club and I doubt a big market player joins us. we need a strong core group and add a future junior star to that mix.
That looks like the plan in place to me.


So I guess this sucks but it was always the potential as we have gambled the short term on 50-50 player as we couldn't jagg the laterals addo Carr's etc
 
@leonard-day said in [Sack Madge](/post/1333887) said:
last time i looked, theres 13 against 13, thats even to start a game, it then depends on the coaches defence structures and attack structures to make a difference for your team, i know having some good cattle makes a difference, but alot of the good cattle have been taught properly by there coach to make them better players, you look at holbrook and hook they came into teams who were going bad and they have turned them around, to be agood coach you have to be a good listener and put good people around you to have different opinions and to be open to your players and be able to change when things are going wrong, you cant have things set in concrete so you cant change things

Great post mate just what is Maguire’s job if not to get the team to improve I have been asking this question for 2 season just to get screamed down by some
 
@hodgo said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335886) said:
I can understand the frustrations and the passion from fans.
My issue is we were genuinely hoping that all our 50-50 buys paid off.
Here's an alternative view
For the first time that I can remember our reserves and our junior teams are booming. This if done correctly gives us first crack to keep them.
It's also along time since we had people in the lower grades we have been genuinely excited for and that can pressure the top grade.
We have had limited cap space and taken some low risk high reward swings at players. Said players are all on team friendly contracts.
Jtj, bugger all money huge upside. Hasn't really offere we alot
Joey, has been a beast in the past sign for a decent contract but with team opitions. Hasn't lives up to the hype.
James tamou, brought in to lead a very young pack on smallish money. Achieving how I thought he would. Will slowly be lowering his minutes but will hopefully teach the younger fellas professionalism.
Joffa another purchase with broncs paying a chunk of his salary. Personally think he has been a good buy playing solid.
I'll leave out the others like ad, Lucy etc.

Now we literally have a tonne of cap coming up as well. So overall we are heading in the right direction and it may be a case of madge builds the infrastructure and someone comes in to finish the job but I have been impressed with our overall direction. We are not a big market club and I doubt big market club is doubt we sign a super star we need a strong core and add a future junior star and we are having a crack at that.


So I guess this sucks but it was always the potential as we have gambled the short term on 50-50 player as we couldn't jagg the laterals addo Carr's etc

Our recruitment policy for youngsters has been excellent since Hartigan came into the fold, and our depth is certainly in a great spot, but when it comes to first grade our recruitment has been poor. Wests Tigers need high percentage players that do their job week in week out to turn the view of the club around. Momirovski, Thompson, Eisenhuth & ET were all good examples of this and they've left recently. In their place are low percentage players in Leilua, Roberts, Kepaoa, Mikaele and Joffa who on their day can produce anything, but the difference between their best and worst is leagues apart. Imagine Thompson and Momo defending our left edge? ET playing 13? Huth on the bench to shore up the middle?

We don't need a marquee that is going to cost millions and set the world alight, we need good honest players that are consistent. Braidon Burns is one of them. Reuben Garrick is another. Throw the bank at Dale Finucane. Players that do their jobs. We don't have many of those this year.
 
@furious1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335819) said:
@rah53 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335785) said:
@furious1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335757) said:
Interesting to read about the training intensity. I'm all for it, but apart from Round 1 against the Raiders i have made comment to my family every week that we look gassed early in the games. It stands out like dogs balls. We always hear about the the ruthless off-season stuff and expect to see a really fit side turned out in the premiership, so why do they always look so tired so early in games? It is certainly reflected in line speed and attack.

If they're gassed, it's not from fitness training, but more of their own lifestyle choices and/or recovery outside of football, eg diet & nutrition, sleep. Sometimes, it's a partner or family matter.

Roberts & Nofa weren't in the right place on Sunday, mind wise & body. Were they on the sauce or up all night playing PlayStation, being that they're housemates? Who, but themselves, knows exactly. But it looks like to me their lives outside of football is affecting their performances on the field.

They're human like everyone else and have the right to live a life. But like anyone else, if it affects your job, that's an issue.

I dunno mate. You are referring to two players on the weekend. Ive seen this from most of the team every week. I'm all for the intense training, but you don't run a marathon before a marathon. I'm sure the staff know what they are doing, it's just an observation from an uneducated outsider looking in.

I just pick those as an example, cause from where I was with my mates, Roberts looked hungover. And Nofa had a poor start too.

Madge has been around athletes for a while & he himself, is a very fit person. He'd definitely know the recovery period before an event is just as important as the training itself. Even the trainer, Ronnie Palmer is 1 of the fittest guys around the rugby league circle. He'd even say something to Madge if the training was too much for the players.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335850) said:
@twentyforty said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335844) said:
I honestly think our players are fitter and more highly skilled than what they are showing us.

I honestly think this is the best team we have had for almost ten years. It is not apparent on the field though.

Centres and wings are not 1st gde standard, the forwards FB, and haives are not the problem. We have no backline attack or defence. Too many people blaming the wrong people.
 
@hank37w said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335840) said:
@geo said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335466) said:
@851 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335428) said:
@bd_benny said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335414) said:
Live by the sword....

Flicks our best hard working honest players - Thompson, Mommos, Benji.
For troubled players
What are you running Madge, Betty Ford clinic or a footy team

You had me until Benji

everyone forgets Eisenhuth..


...............and E.T.

Eisenhuth has gone backwards since his departure...
Literally every carry !
No loss at all ..

ET would be handy right now .
 
@jrtiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335861) said:
I've refrained from posting after Sunday, but I can't help it at this point.

How easy would it have been to be a coach this week in terms of motivation. An all-time legend passes away, sold out crowd, massive build up, club does plenty of good things in the lead up (except for Lee to hold the jersey up, he's only chairman for his own self interest), and we produce THAT. We conceded 34 points to a Ron Massey Cup backline.

Now Payten may have out-coached us, but that's not the issue here. If Madge couldn't get them up for that, something's wrong. Very wrong. His new coaching staff was lauded as the backroom changes we needed, but we've gone backwards. Webster heads to Penrith and look how they're travelling, and I've never rated the bloke. Josh Hannay has done plenty for Cronulla's defensive resilience, same goes for Cameron Ciraldo at Penrith, and yet Wayne Collins, and Madge (who everyone has always said is a defence-oriented coach) have done zero for us. We had 6 months of pre-season and weren't able to count numbers at any point last Sunday. Those early shifts by the Cowboys made me sick.

James Roberts unfortunately is a ghost of his former self. The selection of Ofahengaue in the back row was questionable to say the least and to say that his bench rotation has been robotic for the past 3 years is the understatement of the century.

Very torn at the moment. I always wanted Madge to succeed but we need an internal review sooner rather than later before this gets even worse. We finally have our pathways and depth in a good place, with an array of excellent young talent that is on the verge of hitting the top grade, and they're either going to leave or not hit their straps like Brooks unless we work out what's going on in there. If that ends in Madge leaving, I won't be disappointed if it means we have someone that can rally the troops. This has gone on far too long.

I believe Madge is too insecure to have assistant coach like Neil Henry or a John Morris
 
@hodgo said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335886) said:
I can understand the frustrations and the passion from fans.
My issue is we were genuinely hoping that all our 50-50 buys paid off.
Here's an alternative view
For the first time that I can remember our reserves and our junior teams are booming. This if done correctly gives us first crack to keep them.
It's also along time since we had people in the lower grades we have been genuinely excited for and that can pressure the top grade.
We have had limited cap space and taken some low risk high reward swings at players. Said players are all on team friendly contracts.
Jtj, bugger all money huge upside. Hasn't really offere we alot
Joey, has been a beast in the past sign for a decent contract but with team opitions. Hasn't lives up to the hype.
James tamou, brought in to lead a very young pack on smallish money. Achieving how I thought he would. Will slowly be lowering his minutes but will hopefully teach the younger fellas professionalism.
Joffa another purchase with broncs paying a chunk of his salary. Personally think he has been a good buy playing solid.
I'll leave out the others like ad, Lucy etc.

Now we literally have a tonne of cap coming up as well. So overall we are heading in the right direction and it may be a case of madge builds the infrastructure and someone comes in to finish the job but I have been impressed with our overall direction. We are not a big market club and I doubt a big market player joins us. we need a strong core group and add a future junior star to that mix.
That looks like the plan in place to me.


So I guess this sucks but it was always the potential as we have gambled the short term on 50-50 player as we couldn't jagg the laterals addo Carr's etc

Excellent post.
 
@sunnycoast_tiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335924) said:
@jrtiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335861) said:
I've refrained from posting after Sunday, but I can't help it at this point.

How easy would it have been to be a coach this week in terms of motivation. An all-time legend passes away, sold out crowd, massive build up, club does plenty of good things in the lead up (except for Lee to hold the jersey up, he's only chairman for his own self interest), and we produce THAT. We conceded 34 points to a Ron Massey Cup backline.

Now Payten may have out-coached us, but that's not the issue here. If Madge couldn't get them up for that, something's wrong. Very wrong. His new coaching staff was lauded as the backroom changes we needed, but we've gone backwards. Webster heads to Penrith and look how they're travelling, and I've never rated the bloke. Josh Hannay has done plenty for Cronulla's defensive resilience, same goes for Cameron Ciraldo at Penrith, and yet Wayne Collins, and Madge (who everyone has always said is a defence-oriented coach) have done zero for us. We had 6 months of pre-season and weren't able to count numbers at any point last Sunday. Those early shifts by the Cowboys made me sick.

James Roberts unfortunately is a ghost of his former self. The selection of Ofahengaue in the back row was questionable to say the least and to say that his bench rotation has been robotic for the past 3 years is the understatement of the century.

Very torn at the moment. I always wanted Madge to succeed but we need an internal review sooner rather than later before this gets even worse. We finally have our pathways and depth in a good place, with an array of excellent young talent that is on the verge of hitting the top grade, and they're either going to leave or not hit their straps like Brooks unless we work out what's going on in there. If that ends in Madge leaving, I won't be disappointed if it means we have someone that can rally the troops. This has gone on far too long.

I believe Madge is too insecure to have assistant coach like Neil Henry or a John Morris

Madge needs to do what is best for this organisation, and should be told by Hartigan, Pascoe or Lee (god forbid) that he will do so. If it means an internal review that could cost him his job, tough luck. If that means having notable and respected coaching staff, do it. If it means having someone above him to oversee operations like a Gould or a Bellamy, do it. If it means stepping aside, do it. Enough's enough.
 
@jrtiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335895) said:
@hodgo said in [Sack Madge](/post/1335886) said:
I can understand the frustrations and the passion from fans.
My issue is we were genuinely hoping that all our 50-50 buys paid off.
Here's an alternative view
For the first time that I can remember our reserves and our junior teams are booming. This if done correctly gives us first crack to keep them.
It's also along time since we had people in the lower grades we have been genuinely excited for and that can pressure the top grade.
We have had limited cap space and taken some low risk high reward swings at players. Said players are all on team friendly contracts.
Jtj, bugger all money huge upside. Hasn't really offere we alot
Joey, has been a beast in the past sign for a decent contract but with team opitions. Hasn't lives up to the hype.
James tamou, brought in to lead a very young pack on smallish money. Achieving how I thought he would. Will slowly be lowering his minutes but will hopefully teach the younger fellas professionalism.
Joffa another purchase with broncs paying a chunk of his salary. Personally think he has been a good buy playing solid.
I'll leave out the others like ad, Lucy etc.

Now we literally have a tonne of cap coming up as well. So overall we are heading in the right direction and it may be a case of madge builds the infrastructure and someone comes in to finish the job but I have been impressed with our overall direction. We are not a big market club and I doubt big market club is doubt we sign a super star we need a strong core and add a future junior star and we are having a crack at that.


So I guess this sucks but it was always the potential as we have gambled the short term on 50-50 player as we couldn't jagg the laterals addo Carr's etc

Our recruitment policy for youngsters has been excellent since Hartigan came into the fold, and our depth is certainly in a great spot, but when it comes to first grade our recruitment has been poor. Wests Tigers need high percentage players that do their job week in week out to turn the view of the club around. Momirovski, Thompson, Eisenhuth & ET were all good examples of this and they've left recently. In their place are low percentage players in Leilua, Roberts, Kepaoa, Mikaele and Joffa who on their day can produce anything, but the difference between their best and worst is leagues apart. Imagine Thompson and Momo defending our left edge? ET playing 13? Huth on the bench to shore up the middle?

We don't need a marquee that is going to cost millions and set the world alight, we need good honest players that are consistent. Braidon Burns is one of them. Reuben Garrick is another. Throw the bank at Dale Finucane. Players that do their jobs. We don't have many of those this year.

I agree and disagree. If you are building your team around thomo, huth, and et you literally are struggiling they are depth players tops. They can't be your core. Momo the jury is still out I think we will regret letting him go even though he us top 5 in errors this year. I agree that we need to build a solid consistant team that we can introduce our juniors to
 
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