Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[hobbo1]

Where do I sign to oust the board ?
Link ?

https://www.change.org/p/wests-tigers-rugby-league-football-club-removal-of-ceo-justin-pascoe-the-wests-tigers-board-members/f

Cheers mate

Done ✅

 

[Blake]

If Maguire is sacked than Brooks should go with him. His eagerness to stay at the club and not show any hunger for growth shows a lack of confidence or desire. His comfortable chair should be pulled out from underneath him for his sake and ours.

Brooks is one of the best halfback in the game, only Cleary is obviously better. Brooks keeps engaging the line and when he goes to pass there is no one there, everyone is just watching and he has to run himself. Anyone that thinks replacing Brooks with anyone but Cleary has no idea about the game and is just looking for a scapegoat.

We have the worst fullback in the comp. One day he may be the best but he is not at the moment.

Our other backs have not worked out as planned, we all had hope that Tommy, AJ, JTJ and BJ would be a threatening back line but for varying reasons they haven't.

Our forwards have been poor, none of them are making good metres.

Average running meters per game (middle forwards)
Payne Haas 163
David Klemmer 160
James Fisher-Harris 141
Thomas Burgess 149
Josh Aloiai 147
Paul Vaughn 141
Josh Papalii 141

Zane Musgrove 106
Alex Twal 104
Joe Ofahengaue 103
James Tamou 78
Stefano Utoikamanu 76
Thomas Mikale 59
Source: https://www.nrl.com/stats

Brooks, AD, Simpkin and Liddle are not the problem, they are doing their jobs. Laurie and Stefano are doing as well as can be expected. Luch is great.

The others are not showing the effort required to compete in the NRL.

Good to see we have the ‘second best’ half in the competition to lead us around.
How’s that working out for us?
PS The bloke who played halfback against us yesterday doesn’t agree with you... or the one the week before.

Brooks had no support yesterday. He competed hard, had a try assist and created several other opportunities, made 26 tackles, got some turnovers, nearly kicked a 40-20. DCE just gave the ball to Turbo then followed him. Do you watch other teams and see the impact that Paps, Tedesco, Turbo, Ponga, Latrell, Gutherson, Brimson, Edwards and even Kennedy have on a game?

Do you see the difference???

 

[TrueTiger]

Our salary cap has space for two marque players, four if you take Mbye and Packer out of it. Take Tom out of Manly today and that game plays out very differently (yep an excuse I get it

It doesn't really matter who we buy if they come into Madge's broken system.

Its not Madges broken system,its the clubs bickering and trying to be one better than the other...ok Wests Ashfield own about 80% of WestsTigers give or take,if they let people they employ do their job without factional interference which has gone on since day 1 of our imalgamation and treated it as a business from the start,maybe we would be in a far better position than we are now,the old boys club were in charge for years,jobs for friends and mates,bring back Benji after he got the craps,bring back Farah after he got the craps etc etc...
Madge has had a mountain to climb,if you fanboys of getting rid of Madge stop and think what really is the root cause of our problems then maybe you should give Madge some credit for at least trying to sort the rabble out and bring it into a positive perspective...
he is giving youth a go,he is trying to do the best he can with what he has....as far as the players saying that he is to hard,hello its the NRL and you play the whole 80 minutes,otherwise find another sport.its a hard game,rewarded by hard work...coach may not get the results he wants,but maybe the players dont earn the pay they demand.....

Do I smell some anti Wests sentiment

So much for the Wests v Balmain issues being gone

Maybe they were just buried ......lurking ...waiting

Absolutely not Hap...the past is the past in regard to our historical ties...my point was that apparently some of the board are having input to the playing ,coaching and staff...the board should leave the operations to the personnel employed in their various positions...
As in my industry we have a board and the Clubs NSW Act states that the board are not to be involved with the operations of the club..they are their to oversee the financial status and give directives to the CEO who then passes on directives to the employees of each of their sections...the board cant tell each section what to do or how to do it...

 

[TillLindemann]

honestly, bennet doesn't really coach anymore he player manages. His assistants do the bulk of the work

For a bit of a reminder:

https://www.change.org/p/newcastle-knights-rugby-league-club-sack-wayne-bennett-immediately

 

[WT2K]

From Hooper's blog:
It will cost the Wests Tigers upwards of $600,000 if the club decides it’s time to terminate Michael Maguire’s contract.

Madge signed an extension at Concord until the end of 2023 at the end of last year but like with all contracts these days there’s an exit settlement.

The terms of it? It’s 12-months pay. So if the Wests Tigers decide they want to move Maguire on at any stage, it’ll cost the club about $600,000.

 

[TillLindemann]

honestly, bennet doesn't really coach anymore he player manages. His assistants do the bulk of the work


For a bit of a reminder:

https://www.change.org/p/newcastle-knights-rugby-league-club-sack-wayne-bennett-immediately

And another one:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/no-helmets-required/2019/nov/12/great-britain-lions-coach-wayne-bennett-new-zealand

Not saying Bennett is necessarily a bad coach, but his record is more mixed than people like to think. And the very complaints made about Madge are complaints that have previously been made about Wayne.

The Tigers need to be very careful what they do here. If we sack Madge and the next one turns out to have no luck either, I fear for our club's survival. It is a very risky gamble.

 

[Furious1]

Does anyone actually know who's managing our defence? Seeing our wingers rush in to close down the space only to get outsmarted by a decent pass/kick/smile every week is depressing. We've got to stop this rushing in and laving opponents unmarked rubbish.

Whomever is our defensive coach must be sacked effective immediately.

Madges mate. Trust me, players talk and it is common knowledge we have no defensive structure, nor are we taught it.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

honestly, bennet doesn't really coach anymore he player manages. His assistants do the bulk of the work


For a bit of a reminder:

https://www.change.org/p/newcastle-knights-rugby-league-club-sack-wayne-bennett-immediately

And another one:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/no-helmets-required/2019/nov/12/great-britain-lions-coach-wayne-bennett-new-zealand

Not saying Bennett is necessarily a bad coach, but his record is more mixed than people like to think. And the very complaints made about Madge are complaints that have previously been made about Wayne.

The Tigers need to be very careful what they do here. If we sack Madge and the next one turns out to have no luck either, I fear for our club's survival. It is a very risky gamble.

But Bennett has adapted his coaching for 2021. The backline plays Souths put on are reminiscent of the Sheens' era. Credit to him and you have to admit his pre and post match interviews are interesting.

 

[avocadoontoast]

From Hooper's blog:
It will cost the Wests Tigers upwards of $600,000 if the club decides it’s time to terminate Michael Maguire’s contract.

Madge signed an extension at Concord until the end of 2023 at the end of last year but like with all contracts these days there’s an exit settlement.

The terms of it? It’s 12-months pay. So if the Wests Tigers decide they want to move Maguire on at any stage, it’ll cost the club about $600,000.

Lucky Pascoe is a financial wizard. He'll have us back in the black in no time.

 

[eyewondertwo]

600 thousand is a nice super payout for anyone

 

[Geo]

I've said it before and I'll say it again petitions do not work you are wasting your time..

What's needed is a Rally..

 

[gallagher]

600 thousand is a nice super payout for anyone

It was for Robbie.

 

[balmain boy]

I've said it before and I'll say it again petitions do not work you are wasting your time..

What's needed is a Rally..

A rally? Or a relay?

 

[TillLindemann]

honestly, bennet doesn't really coach anymore he player manages. His assistants do the bulk of the work


For a bit of a reminder:

https://www.change.org/p/newcastle-knights-rugby-league-club-sack-wayne-bennett-immediately

And another one:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/no-helmets-required/2019/nov/12/great-britain-lions-coach-wayne-bennett-new-zealand

Not saying Bennett is necessarily a bad coach, but his record is more mixed than people like to think. And the very complaints made about Madge are complaints that have previously been made about Wayne.

The Tigers need to be very careful what they do here. If we sack Madge and the next one turns out to have no luck either, I fear for our club's survival. It is a very risky gamble.

But Bennett has adapted his coaching for 2021. The backline plays Souths put on are reminiscent of the Sheens' era. Credit to him and you have to admit his pre and post match interviews are interesting.

How much is adapted coaching and how much is simply having better players?

 

[balmain boy]

Does anyone actually know who's managing our defence? Seeing our wingers rush in to close down the space only to get outsmarted by a decent pass/kick/smile every week is depressing. We've got to stop this rushing in and laving opponents unmarked rubbish.

Whomever is our defensive coach must be sacked effective immediately.

Madges mate. Trust me, players talk and it is common knowledge we have no defensive structure, nor are we taught it.

Shane Millard or whatever his name is?

How about we get Neil Henry, and an assistant or lower grade coach from one of the top 4 sides, some up and comer and see if they want to join us.

 

[Furious1]

I was one for saying Madge has to go, but on reflection there are other options that need to be investigated first. Top of the list has to be competent assistants. Find them, and if Madge doesn't like it then he can fall on his sword. The only reason he would be afraid is they show him up, in which case we don't need him anyway. Theres no shame in admitting you need help and in fact it would reflect better on him to do so. Smart people surround themselves with smart operators.
Pascoe or whoever is head of the football department need to get Tamou in and find out the truth of what happened at HT at Leichhardt. They need to pick his brains about the set up and structures he has come from and where he feels like it's going wrong. Remember, one coach has come in with deteriorating form (according to the stats) and our captain has come from a system on the way up. Forget Tamous individual form, it is irrelevant to what is happening at the moment. He was brought here for culture reasons, lets hear what it is.
From the outside it would appear Hartigan is doing a reasonable if not good job.
Thats just my thoughts, but if Madge is to survive some major changes need to take place. His heart is in the right place, but his judgment is clouded.

 

[haberfield_tiger]

No point getting rid of madge until we move brooks on. Most teams finish there sets by a kick to the corner and give the ball on op 10m line. Brooks either kicks straight down the full backs throught or bombs 20/30m out.no field position what so ever. Defence under pressure from the get go. shambolic.. 7 needs to go before madge and yes madge got this one wrong....

 

[Furious1]

Does anyone actually know who's managing our defence? Seeing our wingers rush in to close down the space only to get outsmarted by a decent pass/kick/smile every week is depressing. We've got to stop this rushing in and laving opponents unmarked rubbish.

Whomever is our defensive coach must be sacked effective immediately.

Madges mate. Trust me, players talk and it is common knowledge we have no defensive structure, nor are we taught it.

Shane Millard or whatever his name is?

How about we get Neil Henry, and an assistant or lower grade coach from one of the top 4 sides, some up and comer and see if they want to join us.

I mentioned Henry a couple of weeks ago. Not neccessarily a great head coach ( nor does he need to be if he's assisting) but he is a very good tactician.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

honestly, bennet doesn't really coach anymore he player manages. His assistants do the bulk of the work


For a bit of a reminder:

https://www.change.org/p/newcastle-knights-rugby-league-club-sack-wayne-bennett-immediately

And another one:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/no-helmets-required/2019/nov/12/great-britain-lions-coach-wayne-bennett-new-zealand

Not saying Bennett is necessarily a bad coach, but his record is more mixed than people like to think. And the very complaints made about Madge are complaints that have previously been made about Wayne.

The Tigers need to be very careful what they do here. If we sack Madge and the next one turns out to have no luck either, I fear for our club's survival. It is a very risky gamble.

But Bennett has adapted his coaching for 2021. The backline plays Souths put on are reminiscent of the Sheens' era. Credit to him and you have to admit his pre and post match interviews are interesting.

How much is adapted coaching and how much is simply having better players?

Better coach.

 

[Furious1]

There is not one positive about our current form and I'm seriously torn and confused on all of this.
Recruit new coach and players.
Extend, sack or release.
Feels like the club is forever in a quandary, on the road to nowhere.
No coach is good enough. The culture or environment isn't right for the players. The players are consistently unsatisfactory in effort and attitude. We don't have the right leaders. We don't have or can't recruit the right type of players.

Now recent articles about Madge during Souths have surfaced, the whole Seibold white-anting narrative has been entirely replaced by Madge being incompetent at winning, has obsolete methods and poor man management skills.
The same coach we commended during his appointment despite having an inkling of the aforementioned stuff.
I'm seriously over watching players that look clueless at times, and lack spirit and mental toughness.
I'm also seriously over watching the most unimaginative gameplans attempted to be executed, lacking vision, smarts and skill.
We've got Mbye and Packer left from Ivan and now also a number of recruits handpicked by Madge, does this mean we'll be faced with unloading further players. To what extent does it affect the current playing group? There may be problems between coach and players but will it further impact their performance in any way?
There's a number of questions that already have an historical answer in place.
It's been done before and whether its the correct decision or not it shows an unhealthy pattern at the club. The only constant is the club's backing from the fans, who continue to support and stick up for them.
So where's the professionalism from the club?
We've been climbing the impossible Penrose staircase since Sheens left with no end in sight. As a fan I'm sick of having to endure this over and over again.

Hard to argue with any of that.