Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[jirskyr]

Mess left for him? He’s signed 28/30 players in our current squad. When will people wake up??

I don't disagree with your general comments about the outcomes with Madge - he has failed with the roster he has.

However I don't buy the argument about him signing / re-signing 28/30 players and therefore it's "his roster". Yes he was left with a mess.

Up until pre-season 2021 3 of the Top 4 money-earners in our club had been signed by Ivan Cleary and their contracts were still burning a hole in our roster - Reynolds, Mbye, Packer. Brooks was the 4th top-earning player and he was re-signed 5 weeks into Maguire's tenure, the same year he won the Dally M halfback of the year. Obviously the discussions around Brooks had been ongoing before Madge joined, or at the earliest when Madge was just starting. What's Madge going to do, come in and not renew the reigning Dally M halfback from his junior club?

Packer and Reynolds managed 31 games combined for Tigers between 2019-2021.

Now - give any coach in the NRL a roster where 3 of the top 4 players were signed to long-term deals by someone else, and for whom the output is horribly below not just expectations, but of your average first-grader. Restrict 2 of those Top 4 players to 6.2 matches played per season, each.

Additionally, take $375K off the salary cap of the first two seasons under that coach, for mistakes made by the CEO and previous coaches.

Then tell that coach "it's your roster mate" when he battles to fulfil the lower 26 spots with the remaining money available to him.

 

[The_Patriot]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/nrl-2021-wests-tigers-benny-elias-tim-sheens-next-coach-michael-maguire/news-story/3255d7d7e9cc3fc4dc5ef70adb7d12ef

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Backdoor is in his element atm. Why are hearing opinions of has beens from 30 years ago?

 

[GarryOwen]

Mess left for him? He’s signed 28/30 players in our current squad. When will people wake up??


I don't disagree with your general comments about the outcomes with Madge - he has failed with the roster he has.

However I don't buy the argument about him signing / re-signing 28/30 players and therefore it's "his roster". Yes he was left with a mess.

Up until pre-season 2021 3 of the Top 4 money-earners in our club had been signed by Ivan Cleary and their contracts were still burning a hole in our roster - Reynolds, Mbye, Packer. Brooks was the 4th top-earning player and he was re-signed 5 weeks into Maguire's tenure, the same year he won the Dally M halfback of the year. Obviously the discussions around Brooks had been ongoing before Madge joined, or at the earliest when Madge was just starting. What's Madge going to do, come in and not renew the reigning Dally M halfback from his junior club?

Packer and Reynolds managed 31 games combined for Tigers between 2019-2021.

Now - give any coach in the NRL a roster where 3 of the top 4 players were signed to long-term deals by someone else, and for whom the output is horribly below not just expectations, but of your average first-grader. Restrict 2 of those Top 4 players to 6.2 matches played per season, each.

Additionally, take $375K off the salary cap of the first two seasons under that coach, for mistakes made by the CEO and previous coaches.

Then tell that coach "it's your roster mate" when he battles to fulfil the lower 26 spots with the remaining money available to him.

This is an important point. The narrative around this being his ideal squad is a bit skewed (at best). Sure, he signed Jimmy Roberts to be our starting centre this year, but he did so at a cut price rate, given we only really had a relative pittance left in the cap.
To be honest, the signings since 2019 have largely been ok - BJ being the obvious exception.

Of course you may also be able to point the finger at him for not being able to attract players, which is another, separate issue. Hopefully the review encompasses this.

 

[TillLindemann]

If Maguire is still here next season Hastings just might be that player, he at least seems to not be a shrinking violet. Who knows though?

Yep Hastings is the half who will suit Madge, he's the one Madge wants. There's obviously been interest for a while, as there were rumours linking Hastings to us last year. I just think it is so unfair that right as Madge finally gets a free rein to build the squad he wants he'll probably get shown the door.

 

[The_Patriot]

I'm all in on Sheens. A rookie coach will struggle with the job ahead. It's too big a mess with too many things to fix.

Sheen's for two seasons and coach up the likes of Gardiner or Morris or Farah and kimmorley to take over in a smooth transition.

Only other option is Wayne Bennett but that's a long shot.

 

[cochise]

I'm all in on Sheens. A rookie coach will struggle with the job ahead. It's too big a mess with too many things to fix.

Sheen's for two seasons and coach up the likes of Gardiner or Morris or Farah and kimmorley to take over in a smooth transition.

Only other option is Wayne Bennett but that's a long shot.

I agree mate, would love ciraldo to be the apprentice but that is highly unlikely

 

[BAGNF05]

Mess left for him? He’s signed 28/30 players in our current squad. When will people wake up??


I don't disagree with your general comments about the outcomes with Madge - he has failed with the roster he has.

However I don't buy the argument about him signing / re-signing 28/30 players and therefore it's "his roster". Yes he was left with a mess.

Up until pre-season 2021 3 of the Top 4 money-earners in our club had been signed by Ivan Cleary and their contracts were still burning a hole in our roster - Reynolds, Mbye, Packer. Brooks was the 4th top-earning player and he was re-signed 5 weeks into Maguire's tenure, the same year he won the Dally M halfback of the year. Obviously the discussions around Brooks had been ongoing before Madge joined, or at the earliest when Madge was just starting. What's Madge going to do, come in and not renew the reigning Dally M halfback from his junior club?

Packer and Reynolds managed 31 games combined for Tigers between 2019-2021.

Now - give any coach in the NRL a roster where 3 of the top 4 players were signed to long-term deals by someone else, and for whom the output is horribly below not just expectations, but of your average first-grader. Restrict 2 of those Top 4 players to 6.2 matches played per season, each.

Additionally, take $375K off the salary cap of the first two seasons under that coach, for mistakes made by the CEO and previous coaches.

Then tell that coach "it's your roster mate" when he battles to fulfil the lower 26 spots with the remaining money available to him.

Madge bashers are blind to this pure fact.

This comment should be read to the board as exhibit A after any review.

 

[Geo]

I'm all in on Sheens. A rookie coach will struggle with the job ahead. It's too big a mess with too many things to fix.

Sheen's for two seasons and coach up the likes of Gardiner or Morris or Farah and kimmorley to take over in a smooth transition.

Only other option is Wayne Bennett but that's a long shot.

Does Sheens want the Job would be the question I would ask...?

 

[oldschooltiger]

I can't see Bennett being the next coach. If they sack Madge they will throw a rookie coach in there. Because thats all they will be able to afford.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

I think the choice for the off-season is simple. Option A) Sack Brooks. Option B) sack Maguire.

I could honestly live with Maguire staying around if the club selects assistants to help him and to help Brooks pack his bags. But I’ve been a fan long enough to realise that is way easier said than done so option B is definitely the more likely.

Ideal world for me would be to show them both the door but we can’t have everything can we.

Ha so a coach of Cleary's calibre can work with Brooks and in doing so he wins the Dally M, bur Maguire cannot? If this is what you are suggesting, it is an astounding admission of failure on Maguire's part.

Brooks seems very weak mentally and reluctant to assume the role of a take-no-prisoners leader. Very meek and mild, it's no surprise that a bum-patter coach like Ivan would get the best out of him. Madge's style of coaching would require a alpha-male type halfback who isn't afraid to call the shots out there and rip into teammates when needed. If Maguire is still here next season Hastings just might be that player, he at least seems to not be a shrinking violet. Who knows though?

I would not say Brooks was weak. He tries every time he plays. The problem is his decision making is so poor. He needs a leader in the spine to tell him what todo. That’s something Brooks himself can’t do. Before it was either Robbie or Benji doing the calls. Brooks is a good footballer but he is just not a leader. He would do well elsewhere with experience players calling the plays.

He is weak mentally, not in a disparaging way, but weak as in telling other blokes what to do, cajoling them and getting them to play their best so that he in turn can play his best. All the top halfbacks of any era are blokes that will talk and yell at teammates incessantly. Johns, Sterling, Maloney, Cronk etc etc, all of them were leaders with their talk. Brooks has none of that.
I like the bloke and have backed him for a long time but from what I saw of him on Sunday especially, he doesn't care at the moment. Those pathetic, nothingness inside-ball drop-offs he did all game were glaring signs of a bloke who couldn't be bothered what the final scoreline was.

 

[mike]

I think the choice for the off-season is simple. Option A) Sack Brooks. Option B) sack Maguire.

I could honestly live with Maguire staying around if the club selects assistants to help him and to help Brooks pack his bags. But I’ve been a fan long enough to realise that is way easier said than done so option B is definitely the more likely.

Ideal world for me would be to show them both the door but we can’t have everything can we.

Ha so a coach of Cleary's calibre can work with Brooks and in doing so he wins the Dally M, bur Maguire cannot? If this is what you are suggesting, it is an astounding admission of failure on Maguire's part.

Brooks seems very weak mentally and reluctant to assume the role of a take-no-prisoners leader. Very meek and mild, it's no surprise that a bum-patter coach like Ivan would get the best out of him. Madge's style of coaching would require a alpha-male type halfback who isn't afraid to call the shots out there and rip into teammates when needed. If Maguire is still here next season Hastings just might be that player, he at least seems to not be a shrinking violet. Who knows though?

I would not say Brooks was weak. He tries every time he plays. The problem is his decision making is so poor. He needs a leader in the spine to tell him what todo. That’s something Brooks himself can’t do. Before it was either Robbie or Benji doing the calls. Brooks is a good footballer but he is just not a leader. He would do well elsewhere with experience players calling the plays.

He is weak mentally, not in a disparaging way, but weak as in telling other blokes what to do, cajoling them and getting them to play their best so that he in turn can play his best. All the top halfbacks of any era are blokes that will talk and tell at teammates incessantly. Johns, Sterling, Maloney, Cronk etc etc, all of them were leaders with their talk. Brooks has none of that.
I like the bloke and have backed him for a long time but from what I saw of him on Sunday especially, he doesn't care at the moment. Those pathetic, nothingness inside-ball drop-offs he did all game were glaring signs of a bloke who couldn't be bothered what the final scoreline was.

Bottom line, Brooks is not and never will be a leader.

 

[tony soprano]

I'm all in on Sheens. A rookie coach will struggle with the job ahead. It's too big a mess with too many things to fix.

Sheen's for two seasons and coach up the likes of Gardiner or Morris or Farah and kimmorley to take over in a smooth transition.

Only other option is Wayne Bennett but that's a long shot.

Does Sheens want the Job would be the question I would ask...?

Great question.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think the choice for the off-season is simple. Option A) Sack Brooks. Option B) sack Maguire.

I could honestly live with Maguire staying around if the club selects assistants to help him and to help Brooks pack his bags. But I’ve been a fan long enough to realise that is way easier said than done so option B is definitely the more likely.

Ideal world for me would be to show them both the door but we can’t have everything can we.

Ha so a coach of Cleary's calibre can work with Brooks and in doing so he wins the Dally M, bur Maguire cannot? If this is what you are suggesting, it is an astounding admission of failure on Maguire's part.

Brooks seems very weak mentally and reluctant to assume the role of a take-no-prisoners leader. Very meek and mild, it's no surprise that a bum-patter coach like Ivan would get the best out of him. Madge's style of coaching would require a alpha-male type halfback who isn't afraid to call the shots out there and rip into teammates when needed. If Maguire is still here next season Hastings just might be that player, he at least seems to not be a shrinking violet. Who knows though?

I would not say Brooks was weak. He tries every time he plays. The problem is his decision making is so poor. He needs a leader in the spine to tell him what todo. That’s something Brooks himself can’t do. Before it was either Robbie or Benji doing the calls. Brooks is a good footballer but he is just not a leader. He would do well elsewhere with experience players calling the plays.

He is weak mentally, not in a disparaging way, but weak as in telling other blokes what to do, cajoling them and getting them to play their best so that he in turn can play his best. All the top halfbacks of any era are blokes that will talk and tell at teammates incessantly. Johns, Sterling, Maloney, Cronk etc etc, all of them were leaders with their talk. Brooks has none of that.
I like the bloke and have backed him for a long time but from what I saw of him on Sunday especially, he doesn't care at the moment. Those pathetic, nothingness inside-ball drop-offs he did all game were glaring signs of a bloke who couldn't be bothered what the final scoreline was.

Bottom line, Brooks is not and never will be a leader.

He can still be a very good player for your team, as Cleary demonstrated.

 

[BAGNF05]

I think the choice for the off-season is simple. Option A) Sack Brooks. Option B) sack Maguire.

I could honestly live with Maguire staying around if the club selects assistants to help him and to help Brooks pack his bags. But I’ve been a fan long enough to realise that is way easier said than done so option B is definitely the more likely.

Ideal world for me would be to show them both the door but we can’t have everything can we.

Ha so a coach of Cleary's calibre can work with Brooks and in doing so he wins the Dally M, bur Maguire cannot? If this is what you are suggesting, it is an astounding admission of failure on Maguire's part.

Brooks seems very weak mentally and reluctant to assume the role of a take-no-prisoners leader. Very meek and mild, it's no surprise that a bum-patter coach like Ivan would get the best out of him. Madge's style of coaching would require a alpha-male type halfback who isn't afraid to call the shots out there and rip into teammates when needed. If Maguire is still here next season Hastings just might be that player, he at least seems to not be a shrinking violet. Who knows though?

I would not say Brooks was weak. He tries every time he plays. The problem is his decision making is so poor. He needs a leader in the spine to tell him what todo. That’s something Brooks himself can’t do. Before it was either Robbie or Benji doing the calls. Brooks is a good footballer but he is just not a leader. He would do well elsewhere with experience players calling the plays.

He is weak mentally, not in a disparaging way, but weak as in telling other blokes what to do, cajoling them and getting them to play their best so that he in turn can play his best. All the top halfbacks of any era are blokes that will talk and tell at teammates incessantly. Johns, Sterling, Maloney, Cronk etc etc, all of them were leaders with their talk. Brooks has none of that.
I like the bloke and have backed him for a long time but from what I saw of him on Sunday especially, he doesn't care at the moment. Those pathetic, nothingness inside-ball drop-offs he did all game were glaring signs of a bloke who couldn't be bothered what the final scoreline was.

Bottom line, Brooks is not and never will be a leader.

He can still be a very good player for your team, as Cleary demonstrated.

I agree but he needs a new club.

 

[Guest]

Mess left for him? He’s signed 28/30 players in our current squad. When will people wake up??


I don't disagree with your general comments about the outcomes with Madge - he has failed with the roster he has.

However I don't buy the argument about him signing / re-signing 28/30 players and therefore it's "his roster". Yes he was left with a mess.

Up until pre-season 2021 3 of the Top 4 money-earners in our club had been signed by Ivan Cleary and their contracts were still burning a hole in our roster - Reynolds, Mbye, Packer. Brooks was the 4th top-earning player and he was re-signed 5 weeks into Maguire's tenure, the same year he won the Dally M halfback of the year. Obviously the discussions around Brooks had been ongoing before Madge joined, or at the earliest when Madge was just starting. What's Madge going to do, come in and not renew the reigning Dally M halfback from his junior club?

Packer and Reynolds managed 31 games combined for Tigers between 2019-2021.

Now - give any coach in the NRL a roster where 3 of the top 4 players were signed to long-term deals by someone else, and for whom the output is horribly below not just expectations, but of your average first-grader. Restrict 2 of those Top 4 players to 6.2 matches played per season, each.

Additionally, take $375K off the salary cap of the first two seasons under that coach, for mistakes made by the CEO and previous coaches.

Then tell that coach "it's your roster mate" when he battles to fulfil the lower 26 spots with the remaining money available to him.

Madge bashers are blind to this pure fact.

This comment should be read to the board as exhibit A after any review.

Exhibit B should be the video of losing 38-0 to the worst NRL team of all time.

He's cooked.

 

[mike]

Mess left for him? He’s signed 28/30 players in our current squad. When will people wake up??


I don't disagree with your general comments about the outcomes with Madge - he has failed with the roster he has.

However I don't buy the argument about him signing / re-signing 28/30 players and therefore it's "his roster". Yes he was left with a mess.

Up until pre-season 2021 3 of the Top 4 money-earners in our club had been signed by Ivan Cleary and their contracts were still burning a hole in our roster - Reynolds, Mbye, Packer. Brooks was the 4th top-earning player and he was re-signed 5 weeks into Maguire's tenure, the same year he won the Dally M halfback of the year. Obviously the discussions around Brooks had been ongoing before Madge joined, or at the earliest when Madge was just starting. What's Madge going to do, come in and not renew the reigning Dally M halfback from his junior club?

Packer and Reynolds managed 31 games combined for Tigers between 2019-2021.

Now - give any coach in the NRL a roster where 3 of the top 4 players were signed to long-term deals by someone else, and for whom the output is horribly below not just expectations, but of your average first-grader. Restrict 2 of those Top 4 players to 6.2 matches played per season, each.

Additionally, take $375K off the salary cap of the first two seasons under that coach, for mistakes made by the CEO and previous coaches.

Then tell that coach "it's your roster mate" when he battles to fulfil the lower 26 spots with the remaining money available to him.

Madge bashers are blind to this pure fact.

This comment should be read to the board as exhibit A after any review.

Exhibit B should be the video of losing 38-0 to the worst NRL team of all time.

He's cooked.

More like some of the players are.

 

[Guest]

I think the choice for the off-season is simple. Option A) Sack Brooks. Option B) sack Maguire.

I could honestly live with Maguire staying around if the club selects assistants to help him and to help Brooks pack his bags. But I’ve been a fan long enough to realise that is way easier said than done so option B is definitely the more likely.

Ideal world for me would be to show them both the door but we can’t have everything can we.

Ha so a coach of Cleary's calibre can work with Brooks and in doing so he wins the Dally M, bur Maguire cannot? If this is what you are suggesting, it is an astounding admission of failure on Maguire's part.

Brooks seems very weak mentally and reluctant to assume the role of a take-no-prisoners leader. Very meek and mild, it's no surprise that a bum-patter coach like Ivan would get the best out of him. Madge's style of coaching would require a alpha-male type halfback who isn't afraid to call the shots out there and rip into teammates when needed. If Maguire is still here next season Hastings just might be that player, he at least seems to not be a shrinking violet. Who knows though?

I would not say Brooks was weak. He tries every time he plays. The problem is his decision making is so poor. He needs a leader in the spine to tell him what todo. That’s something Brooks himself can’t do. Before it was either Robbie or Benji doing the calls. Brooks is a good footballer but he is just not a leader. He would do well elsewhere with experience players calling the plays.

He is weak mentally, not in a disparaging way, but weak as in telling other blokes what to do, cajoling them and getting them to play their best so that he in turn can play his best. All the top halfbacks of any era are blokes that will talk and tell at teammates incessantly. Johns, Sterling, Maloney, Cronk etc etc, all of them were leaders with their talk. Brooks has none of that.
I like the bloke and have backed him for a long time but from what I saw of him on Sunday especially, he doesn't care at the moment. Those pathetic, nothingness inside-ball drop-offs he did all game were glaring signs of a bloke who couldn't be bothered what the final scoreline was.

Bottom line, Brooks is not and never will be a leader.

He can still be a very good player for your team, as Cleary demonstrated.

I agree but he needs a new club.

Brett Finch is right about Brooks.

He could be a very good 2nd banana but he'll never be a good top banana.

 

[WT2K]

If he's the new coach. I'll break.
https://twitter.com/badel_cmail/status/1435129330422583298?s=19
Breaking: Paul Green has quit as Queensland Origin coach. QRL begins the search for a new coach in 2022. More to come @cmail_sport

 

[BAGNF05]

Mess left for him? He’s signed 28/30 players in our current squad. When will people wake up??


I don't disagree with your general comments about the outcomes with Madge - he has failed with the roster he has.

However I don't buy the argument about him signing / re-signing 28/30 players and therefore it's "his roster". Yes he was left with a mess.

Up until pre-season 2021 3 of the Top 4 money-earners in our club had been signed by Ivan Cleary and their contracts were still burning a hole in our roster - Reynolds, Mbye, Packer. Brooks was the 4th top-earning player and he was re-signed 5 weeks into Maguire's tenure, the same year he won the Dally M halfback of the year. Obviously the discussions around Brooks had been ongoing before Madge joined, or at the earliest when Madge was just starting. What's Madge going to do, come in and not renew the reigning Dally M halfback from his junior club?

Packer and Reynolds managed 31 games combined for Tigers between 2019-2021.

Now - give any coach in the NRL a roster where 3 of the top 4 players were signed to long-term deals by someone else, and for whom the output is horribly below not just expectations, but of your average first-grader. Restrict 2 of those Top 4 players to 6.2 matches played per season, each.

Additionally, take $375K off the salary cap of the first two seasons under that coach, for mistakes made by the CEO and previous coaches.

Then tell that coach "it's your roster mate" when he battles to fulfil the lower 26 spots with the remaining money available to him.

Madge bashers are blind to this pure fact.

This comment should be read to the board as exhibit A after any review.

Exhibit B should be the video of losing 38-0 to the worst NRL team of all time.

He's cooked.

Agree he’s cooked. The club chews up and spits out another one and nothing learned.