Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[TillLindemann]

we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.

Well it’s clearly not a myth just on here because it’s now being paraded in the media. Wether or not that story about Addo carr is true, there’s people who will think it is .

Would love to hear your argument on madges good recruitments…

Doueihi, Laurie, Stefano, Hastings are all excellent signings, definitely better than Ivan's signings and with much higher ceilings.

At the price he was signed for, James Roberts was definitely a signing that was worth the gamble. Joe Offa I would say was a pretty decent signing too.

 

[yeahcaz]

we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.

What recruitment? We haven't signed 1 NRL player for next year. And it's not a myth that players don't want to come here. My proof: No-one is coming here.

We always make most of our signings in the offseason, every single year.

People are just getting all hysterical because we didn't turn up against the Dogs in a meaningless game with our best players missing.

They got the spoon ?! We didn’t need our best players to win that game, what an absolute joke.

 

[TillLindemann]

we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.

What recruitment? We haven't signed 1 NRL player for next year. And it's not a myth that players don't want to come here. My proof: No-one is coming here.

We always make most of our signings in the offseason, every single year.

People are just getting all hysterical because we didn't turn up against the Dogs in a meaningless game with our best players missing.

They beat us 38-0. We also conceded more points than them for the entire season. And that recruitment strategy is ridiculous, because you have no control over it. You are relying on teams shifting players, which might not happen. And even if it does, you're confident we'll sign some? Why? We haven't signed anyone else?

Yes 38-0, but it was a meaningless game, with most of our best players missing. Mentally Penrith was our last game of the season, then they checked out for the year. Not defending it, but it's nothing to slit our wrists over.

As for recruiting in the offseason it's not necessarily a strategy, it's just how it happens. Nobody in a top 8 team will be signing anywhere right now, give it a few weeks and that will change. I would bet my right testicle we make a few decent signings in the next 2 months (not that it's much to gamble haha).

 

[avocadoontoast]

we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.

What recruitment? We haven't signed 1 NRL player for next year. And it's not a myth that players don't want to come here. My proof: No-one is coming here.

We always make most of our signings in the offseason, every single year.

People are just getting all hysterical because we didn't turn up against the Dogs in a meaningless game with our best players missing.

They beat us 38-0. We also conceded more points than them for the entire season. And that recruitment strategy is ridiculous, because you have no control over it. You are relying on teams shifting players, which might not happen. And even if it does, you're confident we'll sign some? Why? We haven't signed anyone else?

Yes 38-0, but it was a meaningless game, with most of our best players missing. Mentally Penrith was our last game of the season, then they checked out for the year. Not defending it, but it's nothing to slit our wrists over.

As for recruiting in the offseason it's not necessarily a strategy, it's just how it happens. Nobody in a top 8 team will be signing anywhere right now, give it a few weeks and that will change. I would bet my right testicle we make a few decent signings in the next 2 months (not that it's much to gamble haha).

It might have been meaningless to them, but it wasn't meaningless to me. It was disgraceful, there's no excuse for that performance.

Our only chance of signing anyone of quality is if a new coach is chosen.

 

[yeahcaz]

we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.

Well it’s clearly not a myth just on here because it’s now being paraded in the media. Wether or not that story about Addo carr is true, there’s people who will think it is .

Would love to hear your argument on madges good recruitments…

Doueihi, Laurie, Stefano, Hastings are all excellent signings, definitely better than Ivan's signings and with much higher ceilings.

At the price he was signed for, James Roberts was definitely a signing that was worth the gamble. Joe Offa I would say was a pretty decent signing too.

First 3 names you mentioned left their clubs because they couldn’t nail down a regular starting spot and will be the first 3 out the door if this mediocrity continues. No one really knows how Hastings will turn out.

Wouldn’t really say he was worth the gamble as he’s done nothing for us and we’re just incredibly lucky the broncos are still paying Joe. Those names mentioned hardly outweigh the poor decisions eg Brooks and nof extension, BJ Leilua deal, Muzgrove extension, Tamou deal, letting go of Corey Thompson and arguably being the reason Matterson left.

For a coach who’s won a premiership and is the coach of a top 3 national team, he has zero pull.

 

[851]

Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Thats if you are blaming madge for the failiure to attract players
As Tyga posted , its the divide in playing group that is well known amongst other players that is hampering the recruitment. I feel Pascoe isnt helping

But to answer your questions , we improve and move fwd by filling the sqaud with young players and have a united squad under madge

Yep its going to result in us getting the sppon next year ( which I feel we get either way) , however I would rather see a bunch of young kids playing for this club then overpaid spoilt wanna be NRL players run around week in week out and then put there hand out for a pay check why under mining the whole organisation

There is no reason we will get the spoon if we get a new coach and the players are coached some structure, hell a new coach probably gets us some new players

**Madge has won premierships**, players couldn’t score a try against Canterbury. Know who I trust.

I keep hearing this, but they dismiss Green who has also won a premiership as a dud, Madge was sacked by the same players who won a premiership, now its happening again, only we missed the premiership, and the 8

 

[Lauren]

There's nothing wrong with having opposed views from the playing group.
It's basically feedback which gains their perspectives - both negative and positive - and helps create shared ownership. 
I think it's an essential tool for teams and prompts them to make the necessary changes for improvement, if anything.
I also don't think any closure necessarily means we need to be moving players on simply due to conflicting views either.

The coach and player rapport is recognised as the strongest performance factor and these player reviews will help management understand how communication issues or other barriers are producing ineffective performance outcomes.

This is merely an opportunity for the players to express how they work/function best and why their strengths are unable to maximised or why they're limited in certain areas.
Vice versa Madge's reviews would likely include ratings of their onfield behaviours and actions. Their adaptubility and how this also impacts the performance.
Therefore I only see it as an attempt to break down why the group aren't working more collaboratively and exploring all methods and techniques which have been implemented by Madge.

 

[TillLindemann]

Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Thats if you are blaming madge for the failiure to attract players
As Tyga posted , its the divide in playing group that is well known amongst other players that is hampering the recruitment. I feel Pascoe isnt helping

But to answer your questions , we improve and move fwd by filling the sqaud with young players and have a united squad under madge

Yep its going to result in us getting the sppon next year ( which I feel we get either way) , however I would rather see a bunch of young kids playing for this club then overpaid spoilt wanna be NRL players run around week in week out and then put there hand out for a pay check why under mining the whole organisation

There is no reason we will get the spoon if we get a new coach and the players are coached some structure, hell a new coach probably gets us some new players

**Madge has won premierships**, players couldn’t score a try against Canterbury. Know who I trust.

I keep hearing this, but they dismiss Green who has also won a premiership as a dud, Madge was sacked by the same players who won a premiership, now its happening again, only we missed the premiership, and the 8

One premiership might be brushed off as a fluke, but he has won two, and as coach of NZ he has beaten Australia, which is the equivalent of beating the All Blacks in union.

 

[beachtiger]

I've seen/heard plenty of comments about the players not playing for the coach which is why their performances have been poor but what if it isn't the coach their not playing for.

If what @TYGA said is accurate and you've got Nofa, Brooks, Liddle and Mbye as main detractors and three of those players form part of our spine maybe the problem is the players aren't playing for each other.

Perhaps the culture within the playing group is at a point where they aren't putting in for each other.

 

[851]

Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Thats if you are blaming madge for the failiure to attract players
As Tyga posted , its the divide in playing group that is well known amongst other players that is hampering the recruitment. I feel Pascoe isnt helping

But to answer your questions , we improve and move fwd by filling the sqaud with young players and have a united squad under madge

Yep its going to result in us getting the sppon next year ( which I feel we get either way) , however I would rather see a bunch of young kids playing for this club then overpaid spoilt wanna be NRL players run around week in week out and then put there hand out for a pay check why under mining the whole organisation

There is no reason we will get the spoon if we get a new coach and the players are coached some structure, hell a new coach probably gets us some new players

**Madge has won premierships**, players couldn’t score a try against Canterbury. Know who I trust.

I keep hearing this, but they dismiss Green who has also won a premiership as a dud, Madge was sacked by the same players who won a premiership, now its happening again, only we missed the premiership, and the 8

One premiership might be brushed off as a fluke, but he has won two, and as coach of NZ he has beaten Australia, which is the equivalent of beating the All Blacks in union.

Your pro Madge that's fine everyone has a different view, I am not a Madge fan at all.
If he was such a good coach at club and international level, where are all these players who keep ringing him wanting to play for us, I don't see it, or get it.

 

[yeahcaz]

Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Thats if you are blaming madge for the failiure to attract players
As Tyga posted , its the divide in playing group that is well known amongst other players that is hampering the recruitment. I feel Pascoe isnt helping

But to answer your questions , we improve and move fwd by filling the sqaud with young players and have a united squad under madge

Yep its going to result in us getting the sppon next year ( which I feel we get either way) , however I would rather see a bunch of young kids playing for this club then overpaid spoilt wanna be NRL players run around week in week out and then put there hand out for a pay check why under mining the whole organisation

There is no reason we will get the spoon if we get a new coach and the players are coached some structure, hell a new coach probably gets us some new players

**Madge has won premierships**, players couldn’t score a try against Canterbury. Know who I trust.

I keep hearing this, but they dismiss Green who has also won a premiership as a dud, Madge was sacked by the same players who won a premiership, now its happening again, only we missed the premiership, and the 8

One premiership might be brushed off as a fluke, but he has won two, and as coach of NZ he has beaten Australia, which is the equivalent of beating the All Blacks in union.

Your pro Madge that's fine everyone has a different view, I am not a Madge fan at all.
If he was such a good coach at club and international level, where are all these players who keep ringing him wanting to play for us, I don't see it, or get it.

We have close to a quarter of our salary cap not being used for 2022, that tells you all you need to know.

 

[Tigers79]

Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Thats if you are blaming madge for the failiure to attract players
As Tyga posted , its the divide in playing group that is well known amongst other players that is hampering the recruitment. I feel Pascoe isnt helping

But to answer your questions , we improve and move fwd by filling the sqaud with young players and have a united squad under madge

Yep its going to result in us getting the sppon next year ( which I feel we get either way) , however I would rather see a bunch of young kids playing for this club then overpaid spoilt wanna be NRL players run around week in week out and then put there hand out for a pay check why under mining the whole organisation

There is no reason we will get the spoon if we get a new coach and the players are coached some structure, hell a new coach probably gets us some new players

**Madge has won premierships**, players couldn’t score a try against Canterbury. Know who I trust.

I keep hearing this, but they dismiss Green who has also won a premiership as a dud, Madge was sacked by the same players who won a premiership, now its happening again, only we missed the premiership, and the 8

A new coach doesn't bring any new players unless the old players that are causing the divide are gone ( This is the issue )

A new coach doesnt achieve anything but sends us back to every other time we have started with a new coach and we always end up in the same sorry situation.
We get the spoon next yr regardless .. its a long way back from here!!!

 

[851]

Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Thats if you are blaming madge for the failiure to attract players
As Tyga posted , its the divide in playing group that is well known amongst other players that is hampering the recruitment. I feel Pascoe isnt helping

But to answer your questions , we improve and move fwd by filling the sqaud with young players and have a united squad under madge

Yep its going to result in us getting the sppon next year ( which I feel we get either way) , however I would rather see a bunch of young kids playing for this club then overpaid spoilt wanna be NRL players run around week in week out and then put there hand out for a pay check why under mining the whole organisation

There is no reason we will get the spoon if we get a new coach and the players are coached some structure, hell a new coach probably gets us some new players

**Madge has won premierships**, players couldn’t score a try against Canterbury. Know who I trust.

I keep hearing this, but they dismiss Green who has also won a premiership as a dud, Madge was sacked by the same players who won a premiership, now its happening again, only we missed the premiership, and the 8

One premiership might be brushed off as a fluke, but he has won two, and as coach of NZ he has beaten Australia, which is the equivalent of beating the All Blacks in union.

Your pro Madge that's fine everyone has a different view, I am not a Madge fan at all.
If he was such a good coach at club and international level, where are all these players who keep ringing him wanting to play for us, I don't see it, or get it.

We have close to a quarter of our salary cap not being used for 2022, that tells you all you need to know.

Yeah, but it's not Madge's fault apparently

 

[TillLindemann]

Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Thats if you are blaming madge for the failiure to attract players
As Tyga posted , its the divide in playing group that is well known amongst other players that is hampering the recruitment. I feel Pascoe isnt helping

But to answer your questions , we improve and move fwd by filling the sqaud with young players and have a united squad under madge

Yep its going to result in us getting the sppon next year ( which I feel we get either way) , however I would rather see a bunch of young kids playing for this club then overpaid spoilt wanna be NRL players run around week in week out and then put there hand out for a pay check why under mining the whole organisation

There is no reason we will get the spoon if we get a new coach and the players are coached some structure, hell a new coach probably gets us some new players

**Madge has won premierships**, players couldn’t score a try against Canterbury. Know who I trust.

I keep hearing this, but they dismiss Green who has also won a premiership as a dud, Madge was sacked by the same players who won a premiership, now its happening again, only we missed the premiership, and the 8

One premiership might be brushed off as a fluke, but he has won two, and as coach of NZ he has beaten Australia, which is the equivalent of beating the All Blacks in union.

Your pro Madge that's fine everyone has a different view, I am not a Madge fan at all.
If he was such a good coach at club and international level, where are all these players who keep ringing him wanting to play for us, I don't see it, or get it.

We have close to a quarter of our salary cap not being used for 2022, that tells you all you need to know.

That is because we are still in early September. By February there will have been a bunch of new signings.

 

[Geo]

What a conundrum.. what if the old players that don't like Madge like the new coach and the old players who like Madge don't like the new coach...and the new players don't like any coach..what to do.... what to do

 

[cochise]

Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Thats if you are blaming madge for the failiure to attract players
As Tyga posted , its the divide in playing group that is well known amongst other players that is hampering the recruitment. I feel Pascoe isnt helping

But to answer your questions , we improve and move fwd by filling the sqaud with young players and have a united squad under madge

Yep its going to result in us getting the sppon next year ( which I feel we get either way) , however I would rather see a bunch of young kids playing for this club then overpaid spoilt wanna be NRL players run around week in week out and then put there hand out for a pay check why under mining the whole organisation

There is no reason we will get the spoon if we get a new coach and the players are coached some structure, hell a new coach probably gets us some new players

**Madge has won premierships**, players couldn’t score a try against Canterbury. Know who I trust.

I keep hearing this, but they dismiss Green who has also won a premiership as a dud, Madge was sacked by the same players who won a premiership, now its happening again, only we missed the premiership, and the 8

One premiership might be brushed off as a fluke, but he has won two, and as coach of NZ he has beaten Australia, which is the equivalent of beating the All Blacks in union.

Your pro Madge that's fine everyone has a different view, I am not a Madge fan at all.
If he was such a good coach at club and international level, where are all these players who keep ringing him wanting to play for us, I don't see it, or get it.

We have close to a quarter of our salary cap not being used for 2022, that tells you all you need to know.

That is because we are still in early September. By February there will have been a bunch of new signings.

We have been able to sign players for 22 since November last year.

 

[weststigerman]

I continue to be in 2 minds with Madge.

Sometimes I think it's time for Madge to go, and that last game was diabolical. However, we had a reserve grade team out there. Madden, Cini, MCK, Simpkin, Amone, Tuilagi were all in reserve grade for a big chunk of the season. The squad this year was completely unbalanced with not enough experience due to salary cap issues.

I would like to see Madge have an opportunity next year where he's not stuck with the Packers and Brooks' of the world.

I think if we punted him now vs punted him halfway through next year, it doesn't make a huge difference, the same coaches will be available. It's fairly obvious that he doesn't have a huge amount of control who he signs (I'm almost certain he didn't want BJ), so there is not much of a risk of him ruining the salary cap.

I would much rather get rid of Brooks and others that haven't got us to finals regardless who the coach is. Getting rid of the coach means we have to start again, and I'm tired of getting a new coach every few years, and then having to wait 3 years until they get "their" team.

 

[TillLindemann]

Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Thats if you are blaming madge for the failiure to attract players
As Tyga posted , its the divide in playing group that is well known amongst other players that is hampering the recruitment. I feel Pascoe isnt helping

But to answer your questions , we improve and move fwd by filling the sqaud with young players and have a united squad under madge

Yep its going to result in us getting the sppon next year ( which I feel we get either way) , however I would rather see a bunch of young kids playing for this club then overpaid spoilt wanna be NRL players run around week in week out and then put there hand out for a pay check why under mining the whole organisation

There is no reason we will get the spoon if we get a new coach and the players are coached some structure, hell a new coach probably gets us some new players

**Madge has won premierships**, players couldn’t score a try against Canterbury. Know who I trust.

I keep hearing this, but they dismiss Green who has also won a premiership as a dud, Madge was sacked by the same players who won a premiership, now its happening again, only we missed the premiership, and the 8

One premiership might be brushed off as a fluke, but he has won two, and as coach of NZ he has beaten Australia, which is the equivalent of beating the All Blacks in union.

Your pro Madge that's fine everyone has a different view, I am not a Madge fan at all.
If he was such a good coach at club and international level, where are all these players who keep ringing him wanting to play for us, I don't see it, or get it.

We have close to a quarter of our salary cap not being used for 2022, that tells you all you need to know.

That is because we are still in early September. By February there will have been a bunch of new signings.

We have been able to sign players for 22 since November last year.

Yeah I know, but most signings tend to happen in the offseason. This time last year everyone was stressing just the same, then we made a bunch of signings.

 

[Snozza]

we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.

What recruitment? We haven't signed 1 NRL player for next year. And it's not a myth that players don't want to come here. My proof: No-one is coming here.

We always make most of our signings in the offseason, every single year.

People are just getting all hysterical because we didn't turn up against the Dogs in a meaningless game with our best players missing.

They beat us 38-0. We also conceded more points than them for the entire season. And that recruitment strategy is ridiculous, because you have no control over it. You are relying on teams shifting players, which might not happen. And even if it does, you're confident we'll sign some? Why? We haven't signed anyone else?

Yes 38-0, but it was a meaningless game, with most of our best players missing. Mentally Penrith was our last game of the season, then they checked out for the year. Not defending it, but it's nothing to slit our wrists over.

As for recruiting in the offseason it's not necessarily a strategy, it's just how it happens. Nobody in a top 8 team will be signing anywhere right now, give it a few weeks and that will change. I would bet my right testicle we make a few decent signings in the next 2 months (not that it's much to gamble haha).

Meaningless game or not, the fact that we lost 38-0 to the spooners has allowed all of this to come out in the open. Everyone at the club needed this or another year of mediocrity was on its way (could still be). The loss has allowed everyone's anger, frustration, to finally really be heard. If the board aren;t listening, they have their head in the sand at Concord. If we beat the dogs 20-12 in an absolute bludger of a game then we would have slid into the off season with no acocntability at all. I hated watching the game, but I think it was the best thing that could have happened to the club tbh

 

[JC99]

we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.

What recruitment? We haven't signed 1 NRL player for next year. And it's not a myth that players don't want to come here. My proof: No-one is coming here.

We always make most of our signings in the offseason, every single year.

People are just getting all hysterical because we didn't turn up against the Dogs in a meaningless game with our best players missing.

They beat us 38-0. We also conceded more points than them for the entire season. And that recruitment strategy is ridiculous, because you have no control over it. You are relying on teams shifting players, which might not happen. And even if it does, you're confident we'll sign some? Why? We haven't signed anyone else?

Yes 38-0, but it was a meaningless game, with most of our best players missing. Mentally Penrith was our last game of the season, then they checked out for the year. Not defending it, but it's nothing to slit our wrists over.

As for recruiting in the offseason it's not necessarily a strategy, it's just how it happens. Nobody in a top 8 team will be signing anywhere right now, give it a few weeks and that will change. I would bet my right testicle we make a few decent signings in the next 2 months (not that it's much to gamble haha).

I can guarantee you it wasn't a nothing game for Madge - he couldn't get them up for the game though.