Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Geo]

Tigers were releasing false leaks to the higher up’s to figure out who the worms are in the club

Who are they..?

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

MADGE HAS BEEN SAVED! HOORAY!

@MichaelChammas @MCarayannis
going to take responsibility boys?

 

[cktiger]

BreakingSportNRLNRL 2021
Inside story: Why Maguire was spared the axe at the Wests Tigers
By Michael Chammas and Adrian Proszenko
Updated September 21, 2021 — 3.02pmf

Michael Maguire fronted the club’s football committee on Monday facing an uphill battle to keep his job.

A board meeting had already been set up for 4pm to determine his future, with indications from within the club suggesting Maguire was a dead man walking.

In the meeting, Maguire agreed to a range of provisions around the structure and operation of the football department in 2022, including the implementation of Tim Sheens in a coaching director role.

One of the other concerns that was raised, which was raised in the findings of the internal review, was a separation between the club and the football department.

Maguire was told there would need to be greater engagement between the club and football department, but also was made aware of the club’s desire to have a greater say in the people he surrounds himself with.

At the end of the meeting, the element of the board that wanted Maguire to continue were reluctant to meet for the scheduled board meeting. It was subsequently cancelled, giving the club the night to think about the future of the club.

Privately it believed that even if it decided to move on, the man they wanted as a replacement - Penrith assistant Cameron Ciraldo - was unlikely to take the job at such late notice given his commitment to the Panthers and their quest for a premiership.

This morning the football committee reconvened. The decision, which had swayed multiple times since the club’s final round humiliation at the hands of Canterbury, had to be made.

Ultimately it was decided that it was in the best interest of the club to back Maguire, at least for another year, despite obvious concerns from people in positions of power to start fresh.

“Yesterday there was a football committee meeting and the concerns that were raised by the football review were brought to Michael’s attention,” chairman Lee Hagipantelis told the Herald on Tuesday afternoon.

Michael responded to them in a genuine and sincere manner, and the football committee was very impressed. There’s no questioning of Michael’s passion, commitment and dedication to the club. It was simply a process we had to go through. The board meeting that was convened yesterday was only convened if required.

“It was determined it was not required, and we wished to deliberate further, which we did this morning. The determination was was made to affirm Michael’s employment. We immediately relayed the news to Michael who was humbled by the show of faith in him by the club.”

Maguire has for now been spared the axe, with the coach to remain in charge of the Wests Tigers after surviving the club’s controversial review.

Maguire is under contract for the next two seasons, but there was speculation he was to be sacked for the club’s underwhelming 13th-placed finish. However, the club has confirmed he will remain in charge of the joint-venture outfit.

While we always understood this review and process would take time, it was the responsibility of the football committee to ensure all information was considered to make the right decisions for the club moving forward,” Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe said in a statement.

“Michael has been with the club over arguably its most challenging time with the COVID-19 pandemic, has overseen significant change both on and off the field throughout his tenure and, on behalf of all at Wests Tigers, I’d like to thank him for his effort so far.

“We are firmly committed to building a high performing club. With our strong financial position, increased investment and recent success of our pathways teams, the new Centre of Excellence and continued work on a South West academy, the arrival of Tim Sheens and his experience in NRL systems, this club is posed to reap the rewards of several years of hard work.

“We believe that through Michael’s vast experience and by continuing to challenge the way we operate, we will continue drive the high standards and behaviours needed to ensure we achieve our goals as a club.”

So Sheens is head coach and Maguire swallowed his pride to be Tim's assistant coach.
Very good for everyone.

This is the worst possible outcome.. Maguire is now just a figure head ,he has no say on his assistants no say on recruitment and he will clash with Sheens on how the team plays .
Those that think this is a good outcome well after following this game for over 6 decades and seen over that period how boards at clubs react to these situations 2022 is going to be very volatile in deed .
Maguire is a coach as from today under immense pressure to succeed with all the control in hands of others .. I do feel sorry for him !

Sheens isn’t head coach… supposedly now some sort of coaching director.
That in itself shows where our problems really lie.
The board has given him half a dozen titles and he isn’t even here yet.
As much as I wanted Madge to continue I can’t help thinking that, if it was me, I would have taken the $750,000 and told them to shove it.

 

[Andyvee]

Poor Madge. Dead man walking from tonight until the first few rounds of 2022. Let’s hope there are some big moves roster and support wise between now and then, as I can’t really see much changing. Fingers crossed that he can turn it around as he seems like a decent bloke and I wish him all the best for next year.

 

[yeahcaz]

Here’s the inevitable situation in 12 months.

We’re in the middle of another heavily publicised review, Maguire is undoubtedly sacked as the club finished bottom 4 yet again and our 4 best young talents in Laurie, Doueihi, Stef and Blore all come off contract at the same time and can talk to teams as of November 2022, during that time Pascoes first priority is to find a new barber before a new coach and we lose all 4 again. Embrace this reality now so you’re not as disappointed when it happens.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

This is a terrific outcome. In the spirit of healing as @pawsandclaws1 suggested, i will recommit my membership dollars for another year. Well done to other members who, I know, also contacted the Club and left them in no doubt about where we see the real issues of the Club reside and how it impacts on team performance.

While some of that can fairly be sheeted home to Maguire, I hope the review has also put others like CEO/Chair/Board that they are also on notice as to their role in how the Club improves its profile and perfomance.

I know I will continue to make my thoughts known to them.

Thanks TT. At first I was a little disappointed but after further consideration having to report to the Coaching Director, Tim Sheens, and having two handpicked assistant coaches not appointed by him is not dissimilar to walking away with a mild gelding. The sting in the tail.

Ha Ha . "Mild gelding" - Is that a one off?

Mild gelding is an oxymoron.

 

[Tiger5150]

Over past month or so, the media carried out numerous reports, Maguire was only hours away from sack. Quoting “reliable sources”, people “within club” All delivered as FACT. Yet here we are, Maguire retains his job. Who apologises, compensates Michael or the club, for inaccuracies & stress?

Gus, is that you? I had no idea you were on WTF.


I’ve been impressed with Gus’ balanced take on the whole deal. The guy always has his own agenda but also seems as principled as you can be in the media

 

[swooping magpie]

My wife and I each have a premium membership and will keep them. We support the Wests Tigers and would never put any coach, player or other individual above the club (even Robbie!). We have stuck solid through thick and thin and believe that's what members and fans do.

I'm not looking for any pats on the back for this but we will always support whoever the club appoints. so the outcome of the review has had no impact on our support. I'm glad to see Madge continue with the passion and belief that he wears on his sleeve.

Here's to better times ahead!

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

BreakingSportNRLNRL 2021
Inside story: Why Maguire was spared the axe at the Wests Tigers
By Michael Chammas and Adrian Proszenko
Updated September 21, 2021 — 3.02pmf

Michael Maguire fronted the club’s football committee on Monday facing an uphill battle to keep his job.

A board meeting had already been set up for 4pm to determine his future, with indications from within the club suggesting Maguire was a dead man walking.

In the meeting, Maguire agreed to a range of provisions around the structure and operation of the football department in 2022, including the implementation of Tim Sheens in a coaching director role.

One of the other concerns that was raised, which was raised in the findings of the internal review, was a separation between the club and the football department.

Maguire was told there would need to be greater engagement between the club and football department, but also was made aware of the club’s desire to have a greater say in the people he surrounds himself with.

At the end of the meeting, the element of the board that wanted Maguire to continue were reluctant to meet for the scheduled board meeting. It was subsequently cancelled, giving the club the night to think about the future of the club.

Privately it believed that even if it decided to move on, the man they wanted as a replacement - Penrith assistant Cameron Ciraldo - was unlikely to take the job at such late notice given his commitment to the Panthers and their quest for a premiership.

This morning the football committee reconvened. The decision, which had swayed multiple times since the club’s final round humiliation at the hands of Canterbury, had to be made.

Ultimately it was decided that it was in the best interest of the club to back Maguire, at least for another year, despite obvious concerns from people in positions of power to start fresh.

“Yesterday there was a football committee meeting and the concerns that were raised by the football review were brought to Michael’s attention,” chairman Lee Hagipantelis told the Herald on Tuesday afternoon.

Michael responded to them in a genuine and sincere manner, and the football committee was very impressed. There’s no questioning of Michael’s passion, commitment and dedication to the club. It was simply a process we had to go through. The board meeting that was convened yesterday was only convened if required.

“It was determined it was not required, and we wished to deliberate further, which we did this morning. The determination was was made to affirm Michael’s employment. We immediately relayed the news to Michael who was humbled by the show of faith in him by the club.”

Maguire has for now been spared the axe, with the coach to remain in charge of the Wests Tigers after surviving the club’s controversial review.

Maguire is under contract for the next two seasons, but there was speculation he was to be sacked for the club’s underwhelming 13th-placed finish. However, the club has confirmed he will remain in charge of the joint-venture outfit.

While we always understood this review and process would take time, it was the responsibility of the football committee to ensure all information was considered to make the right decisions for the club moving forward,” Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe said in a statement.

“Michael has been with the club over arguably its most challenging time with the COVID-19 pandemic, has overseen significant change both on and off the field throughout his tenure and, on behalf of all at Wests Tigers, I’d like to thank him for his effort so far.

“We are firmly committed to building a high performing club. With our strong financial position, increased investment and recent success of our pathways teams, the new Centre of Excellence and continued work on a South West academy, the arrival of Tim Sheens and his experience in NRL systems, this club is posed to reap the rewards of several years of hard work.

“We believe that through Michael’s vast experience and by continuing to challenge the way we operate, we will continue drive the high standards and behaviours needed to ensure we achieve our goals as a club.”

So Sheens is head coach and Maguire swallowed his pride to be Tim's assistant coach.
Very good for everyone.

This is the worst possible outcome.. Maguire is now just a figure head ,he has no say on his assistants no say on recruitment and he will clash with Sheens on how the team plays .
Those that think this is a good outcome well after following this game for over 6 decades and seen over that period how boards at clubs react to these situations 2022 is going to be very volatile in deed .
Maguire is a coach as from today under immense pressure to succeed with all the control in hands of others .. I do feel sorry for him !

Sheens isn’t head coach… supposedly now some sort of coaching director.
That in itself shows where our problems really lie.
The board has given him half a dozen titles and he isn’t even here yet.
As much as I wanted Madge to continue I can’t help thinking that, if it was me, I would have taken the $750,000 and told them to shove it.

To me that shows that Madge has invested his heart and soul into this place. It's even taken his dignity from him. He has laid his reputation on the line to improve us. I wish the players would do the same.

 

[cochise]

BreakingSportNRLNRL 2021
Inside story: Why Maguire was spared the axe at the Wests Tigers
By Michael Chammas and Adrian Proszenko
Updated September 21, 2021 — 3.02pmf

Michael Maguire fronted the club’s football committee on Monday facing an uphill battle to keep his job.

A board meeting had already been set up for 4pm to determine his future, with indications from within the club suggesting Maguire was a dead man walking.

In the meeting, Maguire agreed to a range of provisions around the structure and operation of the football department in 2022, including the implementation of Tim Sheens in a coaching director role.

One of the other concerns that was raised, which was raised in the findings of the internal review, was a separation between the club and the football department.

Maguire was told there would need to be greater engagement between the club and football department, but also was made aware of the club’s desire to have a greater say in the people he surrounds himself with.

At the end of the meeting, the element of the board that wanted Maguire to continue were reluctant to meet for the scheduled board meeting. It was subsequently cancelled, giving the club the night to think about the future of the club.

Privately it believed that even if it decided to move on, the man they wanted as a replacement - Penrith assistant Cameron Ciraldo - was unlikely to take the job at such late notice given his commitment to the Panthers and their quest for a premiership.

This morning the football committee reconvened. The decision, which had swayed multiple times since the club’s final round humiliation at the hands of Canterbury, had to be made.

Ultimately it was decided that it was in the best interest of the club to back Maguire, at least for another year, despite obvious concerns from people in positions of power to start fresh.

“Yesterday there was a football committee meeting and the concerns that were raised by the football review were brought to Michael’s attention,” chairman Lee Hagipantelis told the Herald on Tuesday afternoon.

Michael responded to them in a genuine and sincere manner, and the football committee was very impressed. There’s no questioning of Michael’s passion, commitment and dedication to the club. It was simply a process we had to go through. The board meeting that was convened yesterday was only convened if required.

“It was determined it was not required, and we wished to deliberate further, which we did this morning. The determination was was made to affirm Michael’s employment. We immediately relayed the news to Michael who was humbled by the show of faith in him by the club.”

Maguire has for now been spared the axe, with the coach to remain in charge of the Wests Tigers after surviving the club’s controversial review.

Maguire is under contract for the next two seasons, but there was speculation he was to be sacked for the club’s underwhelming 13th-placed finish. However, the club has confirmed he will remain in charge of the joint-venture outfit.

While we always understood this review and process would take time, it was the responsibility of the football committee to ensure all information was considered to make the right decisions for the club moving forward,” Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe said in a statement.

“Michael has been with the club over arguably its most challenging time with the COVID-19 pandemic, has overseen significant change both on and off the field throughout his tenure and, on behalf of all at Wests Tigers, I’d like to thank him for his effort so far.

“We are firmly committed to building a high performing club. With our strong financial position, increased investment and recent success of our pathways teams, the new Centre of Excellence and continued work on a South West academy, the arrival of Tim Sheens and his experience in NRL systems, this club is posed to reap the rewards of several years of hard work.

“We believe that through Michael’s vast experience and by continuing to challenge the way we operate, we will continue drive the high standards and behaviours needed to ensure we achieve our goals as a club.”

So Sheens is head coach and Maguire swallowed his pride to be Tim's assistant coach.
Very good for everyone.

This is the worst possible outcome.. Maguire is now just a figure head ,he has no say on his assistants no say on recruitment and he will clash with Sheens on how the team plays .
Those that think this is a good outcome well after following this game for over 6 decades and seen over that period how boards at clubs react to these situations 2022 is going to be very volatile in deed .
Maguire is a coach as from today under immense pressure to succeed with all the control in hands of others .. I do feel sorry for him !

Sheens isn’t head coach… supposedly now some sort of coaching director.
That in itself shows where our problems really lie.
The board has given him half a dozen titles and he isn’t even here yet.
As much as I wanted Madge to continue I can’t help thinking that, if it was me, I would have taken the $750,000 and told them to shove it.

It doesn't work that way, you can't quit and still get paid.

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

Tigers were releasing false leaks to the higher up’s to figure out who the worms are in the club

Who are they..?

Pascoe

 

[pawsandclaws1]

This is a terrific outcome. In the spirit of healing as @pawsandclaws1 suggested, i will recommit my membership dollars for another year. Well done to other members who, I know, also contacted the Club and left them in no doubt about where we see the real issues of the Club reside and how it impacts on team performance.

While some of that can fairly be sheeted home to Maguire, I hope the review has also put others like CEO/Chair/Board that they are also on notice as to their role in how the Club improves its profile and perfomance.

I know I will continue to make my thoughts known to them.

Thanks TT. At first I was a little disappointed but after further consideration having to report to the Coaching Director, Tim Sheens, and having two handpicked assistant coaches not appointed by him is not dissimilar to walking away with a mild gelding. The sting in the tail.

Ha Ha . "Mild gelding" - Is that a one off?

Mild gelding is an oxymoron.

The First Cut Is The Deepest!

 

[Alltheway]

My wife and I each have a premium membership and will keep them. We support the Wests Tigers and would never put any coach, player or other individual above the club (even Robbie!). We have stuck solid through thick and thin and believe that's what members and fans do.

I'm not looking for any pats on the back for this but we will always support whoever the club appoints. so the outcome of the review has had no impact on our support. I'm glad to see Madge continue with the passion and belief that he wears on his sleeve.

Here's to better times ahead!

Enjoy your wooden spoon next season to eat your soup with, because that’s where we are heading!

 

[Guest]

I don't really get the celebration or the sorrow.
As stated a couple of weeks ago Sheens will be the head honcho supervising the figurehead coach Maguire.
Nothing's changed.
Trust in head coach Sheens.
Congratulations to assistant coach Maguire for swallowing his pride and accepting his demotion.

Come on Dwight you’ve disappointed me. He is not the Assistant Coach. He is Assistant to the Coach.

Very good!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

This is a terrific outcome. In the spirit of healing as @pawsandclaws1 suggested, i will recommit my membership dollars for another year. Well done to other members who, I know, also contacted the Club and left them in no doubt about where we see the real issues of the Club reside and how it impacts on team performance.

While some of that can fairly be sheeted home to Maguire, I hope the review has also put others like CEO/Chair/Board that they are also on notice as to their role in how the Club improves its profile and perfomance.

I know I will continue to make my thoughts known to them.

Thanks TT. At first I was a little disappointed but after further consideration having to report to the Coaching Director, Tim Sheens, and having two handpicked assistant coaches not appointed by him is not dissimilar to walking away with a mild gelding. The sting in the tail.

Ha Ha . "Mild gelding" - Is that a one off?

Mild gelding is an oxymoron.

The First Cut Is The Deepest!

I thought "death by a thousand cuts" would be a more appropriate analogy.

 

[cochise]

My wife and I each have a premium membership and will keep them. We support the Wests Tigers and would never put any coach, player or other individual above the club (even Robbie!). We have stuck solid through thick and thin and believe that's what members and fans do.

I'm not looking for any pats on the back for this but we will always support whoever the club appoints. so the outcome of the review has had no impact on our support. I'm glad to see Madge continue with the passion and belief that he wears on his sleeve.

Here's to better times ahead!


Enjoy your wooden spoon next season to eat your soup with, because that’s where we are heading!

He didn't deserve that response.

 

[Tiger5150]

*One of the other concerns that was raised, which stemmed from the findings of the club’s internal post-season review, was a separation between the club and the football department.*

I guess this goes some way to explaining why we're in such a mess.

Madge worked under a known psycho CEO at Souths and won a premiership.

Then there's us.....

You could also interpret that as the CEO doing his job well and identifying the same problem often screamed about by most of us here but I wouldn’t except that to gain traction here.

Honestly if you strip it all down to the truth as it is known, the board and management have acted well and professionally.


* After a failure of a season, the board conducts a review into what the hell is going on

* Review includes madge and all coaching staff

* Review determines madge stays

* Review determines madge needs better support staff

* Review determines that the board and upper management need to stay away from football department

* Review sets a rat trap to identify weak links in board

If we were delivered that 3 weeks ago we would all be applauding

 

[cktiger]

The board and club have a fail safe .. Tim Sheens moves straight in if there are problems next season !

Tim Sheens would have zero hope of being able to coach a current NRL side.
People seem to forget his record after leaving here … as well as his last year at the Tigers.

 

[weststigerman]

The board and club have a fail safe .. Tim Sheens moves straight in if there are problems next season !

The Board and the Club (Pascoe and Lee) ARE the problem. I only hope Sheens lets them know that better than Maguire has.

John Morris and Shane Flanagan as handpicked assisants!

I think you’re going to be disappointed.