Madges Presser

[kiwitiger]

What suggests Madge can turn this around? Can Madge turn it around? I have my doubts. after 2.5 years we are in a worse shape than when Cleary walked out.
I'm really nervous about how the next few years play out if he see's out his contract.
I don't think Madge is a bad coach, just not the coach we need.

 

[The_Patriot]

Surely his position will be under pressure again this week.

He is gaining no traction whatsoever with this playing group. They aren't buying in.

 

[rex2ce]

The coach has set himself up to be punted , the team is a rabble has been for a couple of seasons. Maguires stubbiness for what ever reason not to surround himself with some professional assistants to help with attacking and defensive structures is going to cost him his job.
The constant selection of individuals that just can not perform to NRL level is another weakness that is being exposed ..I am so over reading posters backing many of these players .,these players are just plodders that have been elevated to a level that they would not attain at any other club !
I DO blame the coach as he is the one responsible for this mess .. He selects these plodders ever week it is pathetic watching these pretenders .


New coach will have same plodders mate

What message does sacking the coach send to the players? "It's not you guys, we know you are trying really hard, we just cannot find the right coach to stroke your ego and tell you how good you can be".

As soon as we get through round 10, he needs to bring in the new blood and give them a taste of First Grade. This season is gone for us, and if we start next season with M'Bye, Brooks, Garner, Twal, Joey, Liddle, Seyfarth, Packer, Musgrove, Roberts, Chee Kam then nothing will change - Ever! I left Nofo off that list, but part of me really wants to add him as he is the inconsistency the epitomises the Wests Tigers.

When I started this post I didn't realise how long the list of players I named would be...I am shocked that there are so many and as Yoda would say "That is why you fail".

They have to drop Nofo or will continue to fail

 

[tigeress]

The coach has set himself up to be punted , the team is a rabble has been for a couple of seasons. Maguires stubbiness for what ever reason not to surround himself with some professional assistants to help with attacking and defensive structures is going to cost him his job.
The constant selection of individuals that just can not perform to NRL level is another weakness that is being exposed ..I am so over reading posters backing many of these players .,these players are just plodders that have been elevated to a level that they would not attain at any other club !
I DO blame the coach as he is the one responsible for this mess .. He selects these plodders ever week it is pathetic watching these pretenders .

good post
madge needs guys like Morris as an assistant good communicator

These guys should go

Shane Millard — NRL Assistant Coach
Wayne Collins — NRL Assistant Coach

Yes the current assistant coaches are not doing a good job are they, I think we need a cleanout in that department- couldn't do any harm:anguished:

It would be unfair for the assistant coaches to get the sack while Madge remains. Ultimately he’s the head coach - he should go too.

Unfortunately its not a good look for the club if we continue to dismiss our head coach, These assistant coaches come with good credentials - but I guess that doesn't help if they are not gelling with the players perhaps. However I do not know what is going on, I guess like everyone else I just want to see us winning for a change:expressionless:

 

[cqtiger]

Why didn’t we sign Matt Parish?

 

[tigertuff]

I wonder how many clubs would chase Madge if we were to get rid of him. My bet would be zero. We need a coach to coach football not the same dribble we get every week from him.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The coach has set himself up to be punted , the team is a rabble has been for a couple of seasons. Maguires stubbiness for what ever reason not to surround himself with some professional assistants to help with attacking and defensive structures is going to cost him his job.
The constant selection of individuals that just can not perform to NRL level is another weakness that is being exposed ..I am so over reading posters backing many of these players .,these players are just plodders that have been elevated to a level that they would not attain at any other club !
I DO blame the coach as he is the one responsible for this mess .. He selects these plodders ever week it is pathetic watching these pretenders .

good post
madge needs guys like Morris as an assistant good communicator

These guys should go

Shane Millard — NRL Assistant Coach
Wayne Collins — NRL Assistant Coach

Yes the current assistant coaches are not doing a good job are they, I think we need a cleanout in that department- couldn't do any harm:anguished:

It would be unfair for the assistant coaches to get the sack while Madge remains. Ultimately he’s the head coach - he should go too.

Unfortunately its not a good look for the club if we continue to dismiss our head coach, These assistant coaches come with good credentials - but I guess that doesn't help if they are not gelling with the players perhaps. However I do not know what is going on, I guess like everyone else I just want to see us winning for a change:expressionless:

I’m not sure we could look much worse. I just saw an article in the DT saying we should be wound up. We need results on the field ASAP. As much as I dislike him personally Flanagan would be a better coach for us.

 

[Guest]

My mate is a Panthers fan & has never seen an opposition club warm up for so long as the Tigers do. No wonder we look lethargic.

Congratulations @kafta I feel you may have found the key to Madge's current coaching methods.
While all the other teams are getting heaps of injuries, Madge gets our guys to warm up properly therefore avoiding injuries such as...
if our blokes dont run fast they wont get torn hamstrings.
If they dont tackle hard they wont get shoulder, or upper body injuries generally.
if they dont jump high for the ball they wont get knee or back injuries etc etc etc.
Then, by the time we get to the 10th last match just watch us go all the way to the semis, as all the other teams will be decimated by injury, we'll have a fully fit team.
I reckon Madge will be proven to be a genius :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

Wouldn't it be good if this scenario proved to be correct - in a previous post I recommended that we fixed up our DEFENCE all would be well, but of course we all know that will only partially fix our problems...I still can't figure out when we have so many chances to get tries when we are attacking the oppositions line why can't we get through the defence ! so maybe our long warm ups don't help that much afterall:anguished:

While it may appear as though we’re not effective in attack, the numbers don’t support that. Our points tally is better than, or equal to 50% of the teams. We have an inexperienced roster and our experienced players are only those unwanted by other clubs, except maybe Dogs. The inexperience prevents us from maintaining momentum, which in turn demoralises other players. The way to fix this is for the playing group to have more teamwork type training, encourage group problem solving activities etc and develop teamwork in the true sense of the word. I swear I will switch off the next time bloke in the bar asks a player “who plays golf in the club” and they can’t mention a single name. The group dynamics isn’t working for Madge. When you look at most other clubs they have a majority of their roster invested in each other and the cause, so it’s easy to rescue a player who drops the ball (including figuratively) or gets off loaded.

Very good point.
I remember reading a study put out by an American University that found the greatest determining factor in the success of a team was the group's sense of "team".
Even more so than ability.
Parra are are a great example.
Individually there's nothing special about the group of players they have.
But they do have an undeniable common objective and support for each other. Unfortunately we don't.

 

[Tcat]

The coach has set himself up to be punted , the team is a rabble has been for a couple of seasons. Maguires stubbiness for what ever reason not to surround himself with some professional assistants to help with attacking and defensive structures is going to cost him his job.
The constant selection of individuals that just can not perform to NRL level is another weakness that is being exposed ..I am so over reading posters backing many of these players .,these players are just plodders that have been elevated to a level that they would not attain at any other club !
I DO blame the coach as he is the one responsible for this mess .. He selects these plodders ever week it is pathetic watching these pretenders .

good post
madge needs guys like Morris as an assistant good communicator

These guys should go

Shane Millard — NRL Assistant Coach
Wayne Collins — NRL Assistant Coach

Yes the current assistant coaches are not doing a good job are they, I think we need a cleanout in that department- couldn't do any harm:anguished:

It would be unfair for the assistant coaches to get the sack while Madge remains. Ultimately he’s the head coach - he should go too.

Unfortunately its not a good look for the club if we continue to dismiss our head coach, These assistant coaches come with good credentials - but I guess that doesn't help if they are not gelling with the players perhaps. However I do not know what is going on, I guess like everyone else I just want to see us winning for a change:expressionless:

I’m not sure we could look much worse. I just saw an article in the DT saying we should be wound up. We need results on the field ASAP. As much as I dislike him personally Flanagan would be a better coach for us.

If Madge were to get the tap (which i don't think he should) then there should be a clean out everywhere. Assistant coaches go, certain players go, Pascoe should go, the board should go (easily said, but won't happen) and let's fix this place under the direction of Craig Bellamy and whoever he wants to help him when he leaves the Storm. I'm happy ride this ? storm out until then.

 

[Guest]

Garner laughing with Gold Coast coaching staff and Sam McIntyre BEFORE the game is an illustration of the problem with this team.
It's just a job to these blokes.

 

[southerntiger]

i actually liked the presser, he stopped defending the team and didnt give the same old blah as normal, but it will mean nothing if there are no changes for next week

Change is fine if it makes things better. Cini had a good debut band then turned into that Gridiron guy Newcastle gave a game in his second outing. Does he give Hoffman another go? Fitzgibbon is improving but not there yet. Madden is an option but a risk. Simpkin and Blore are candidates I guess.

Fine is an apt description for Cini’s debut. But, anyone who thought it heralded the arrival of a great new talent was deluded.

Cini is a slow, small winger who, in first grade, makes no metres when carrying the ball.

The fact he came close to first grade demonstrates the problems with our current squad.

He is a poor man’s Sean Meaney.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The coach has set himself up to be punted , the team is a rabble has been for a couple of seasons. Maguires stubbiness for what ever reason not to surround himself with some professional assistants to help with attacking and defensive structures is going to cost him his job.
The constant selection of individuals that just can not perform to NRL level is another weakness that is being exposed ..I am so over reading posters backing many of these players .,these players are just plodders that have been elevated to a level that they would not attain at any other club !
I DO blame the coach as he is the one responsible for this mess .. He selects these plodders ever week it is pathetic watching these pretenders .

good post
madge needs guys like Morris as an assistant good communicator

These guys should go

Shane Millard — NRL Assistant Coach
Wayne Collins — NRL Assistant Coach

Yes the current assistant coaches are not doing a good job are they, I think we need a cleanout in that department- couldn't do any harm:anguished:

It would be unfair for the assistant coaches to get the sack while Madge remains. Ultimately he’s the head coach - he should go too.

Unfortunately its not a good look for the club if we continue to dismiss our head coach, These assistant coaches come with good credentials - but I guess that doesn't help if they are not gelling with the players perhaps. However I do not know what is going on, I guess like everyone else I just want to see us winning for a change:expressionless:

I’m not sure we could look much worse. I just saw an article in the DT saying we should be wound up. We need results on the field ASAP. As much as I dislike him personally Flanagan would be a better coach for us.

If Madge were to get the tap (which i don't think he should) then there should be a clean out everywhere. Assistant coaches go, certain players go, Pascoe should go, the board should go (easily said, but won't happen) and let's fix this place under the direction of Craig Bellamy and whoever he wants to help him when he leaves the Storm. I'm happy ride this ? storm out until then.

I agree a big clean out needed

 

[tony soprano]

Success will always come down to the players. Look at panthers. I think we have the performance side sorted in terms of getting their bodies right for less injury and nrl fit. We just need the right coaches and board/ceo to pick the correct players to stick with, currently they are failing at this aspect.

 

[rustycage]

The coach has set himself up to be punted , the team is a rabble has been for a couple of seasons. Maguires stubbiness for what ever reason not to surround himself with some professional assistants to help with attacking and defensive structures is going to cost him his job.
The constant selection of individuals that just can not perform to NRL level is another weakness that is being exposed ..I am so over reading posters backing many of these players .,these players are just plodders that have been elevated to a level that they would not attain at any other club !
I DO blame the coach as he is the one responsible for this mess .. He selects these plodders ever week it is pathetic watching these pretenders .

good post
madge needs guys like Morris as an assistant good communicator

These guys should go

Shane Millard — NRL Assistant Coach
Wayne Collins — NRL Assistant Coach

Yes the current assistant coaches are not doing a good job are they, I think we need a cleanout in that department- couldn't do any harm:anguished:

It would be unfair for the assistant coaches to get the sack while Madge remains. Ultimately he’s the head coach - he should go too.

Unfortunately its not a good look for the club if we continue to dismiss our head coach, These assistant coaches come with good credentials - but I guess that doesn't help if they are not gelling with the players perhaps. However I do not know what is going on, I guess like everyone else I just want to see us winning for a change:expressionless:

I’m not sure we could look much worse. **I just saw an article in the DT saying we should be wound up.** We need results on the field ASAP. As much as I dislike him personally Flanagan would be a better coach for us.

:astonished:

What??? No. Not the DT!! Thats hard to believe.

 

[TillLindemann]

The coach has set himself up to be punted , the team is a rabble has been for a couple of seasons. Maguires stubbiness for what ever reason not to surround himself with some professional assistants to help with attacking and defensive structures is going to cost him his job.
The constant selection of individuals that just can not perform to NRL level is another weakness that is being exposed ..I am so over reading posters backing many of these players .,these players are just plodders that have been elevated to a level that they would not attain at any other club !
I DO blame the coach as he is the one responsible for this mess .. He selects these plodders ever week it is pathetic watching these pretenders .

Eisenhuth seems to be going ok

Just saying ?

This is exactly it. Everyone says we have a team full of plodders who wouldn’t make first grade with any other team, yet when many of these players do leave they do exactly that - walk straight into the top 17 at their new club and more often than not they perform better. For reasons unbeknown to all and sundry this place just stinks and there appears to be no fixing it.

It's just a narrative. For every player who plods here but does well elsewhere, there's plenty who don't. It's just we forget about them because they're not very memorable. I forgot Esan Marsters existed until this week.

 

[avocadoontoast]

The coach has set himself up to be punted , the team is a rabble has been for a couple of seasons. Maguires stubbiness for what ever reason not to surround himself with some professional assistants to help with attacking and defensive structures is going to cost him his job.
The constant selection of individuals that just can not perform to NRL level is another weakness that is being exposed ..I am so over reading posters backing many of these players .,these players are just plodders that have been elevated to a level that they would not attain at any other club !
I DO blame the coach as he is the one responsible for this mess .. He selects these plodders ever week it is pathetic watching these pretenders .

good post
madge needs guys like Morris as an assistant good communicator

These guys should go

Shane Millard — NRL Assistant Coach
Wayne Collins — NRL Assistant Coach

Yes the current assistant coaches are not doing a good job are they, I think we need a cleanout in that department- couldn't do any harm:anguished:

It would be unfair for the assistant coaches to get the sack while Madge remains. Ultimately he’s the head coach - he should go too.

Unfortunately its not a good look for the club if we continue to dismiss our head coach, These assistant coaches come with good credentials - but I guess that doesn't help if they are not gelling with the players perhaps. However I do not know what is going on, I guess like everyone else I just want to see us winning for a change:expressionless:

I’m not sure we could look much worse. **I just saw an article in the DT saying we should be wound up.** We need results on the field ASAP. As much as I dislike him personally Flanagan would be a better coach for us.

:astonished:

What??? No. Not the DT!! Thats hard to believe.

Worst news source in the country but that doesn’t mean it isn’t widely read. News Corp unfortunately have a lot of influence.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

In Madges Presser he says all the right things and is honest but at the end of the day, he has not got this team firing. Half of the players do not compete in defence and are lazy players in the 1% plays. They seem happy just to turn up do the minimum and get paid. The team has little unity or cohesion in defence or attack with Nofoaluma still unable to number up year after year for example.Brooks still looks lost although he can tackle. I think the only answer is to get a new coach. Get Bennett or Flanagan as sadly Madge has had little effect and the culture of the place is going downhill.

So you’re saying we should keep doing what we’ve been doing for the last 10 years in the hope that we’ll achieve success?

Why do you think Madge will be able to fix these issues now, when he’s been unable to in more than 2 years? There’s not even signs of improvement - we’re getting worse.


Because this club has taken years to run into the ground and cannot be turned around in the twinkling of an eye. Furthermore, why would we sack possibly the only person with the deepest conviction?

I agree it will take time to turn around, but I don’t think he’s the man who can turn it around for us

I think he is , but he needs to go to the manager type role , like Bennett , and we need to find better coaches who are actually engaging the playing group . Like demetriou or Barrett , before he convinced himself he was a head coach again .

 

[JC99]

Don't care if we had Penrith's roster, it they played the way our teams have played for the last decade they wouldn't win anything and we'd be in the same position, it's all mental. Everyone that comes here stops caring and thinks the wins will just fall into their lap without having to try

This club is rotten! From head to toe. Madge ain't perfect but like he said he shouldn't have to go and tell a team that they have to scramble and put effort into every play out there, it's embarrassing.

For example the Titans try off kickoff, he said they'd done video on it, they knew titans shifted the ball off kickoff yet everyone slacked off and stood back and watched. Disgraceful.

 

[rustycage]

The coach has set himself up to be punted , the team is a rabble has been for a couple of seasons. Maguires stubbiness for what ever reason not to surround himself with some professional assistants to help with attacking and defensive structures is going to cost him his job.
The constant selection of individuals that just can not perform to NRL level is another weakness that is being exposed ..I am so over reading posters backing many of these players .,these players are just plodders that have been elevated to a level that they would not attain at any other club !
I DO blame the coach as he is the one responsible for this mess .. He selects these plodders ever week it is pathetic watching these pretenders .

good post
madge needs guys like Morris as an assistant good communicator

These guys should go

Shane Millard — NRL Assistant Coach
Wayne Collins — NRL Assistant Coach

Yes the current assistant coaches are not doing a good job are they, I think we need a cleanout in that department- couldn't do any harm:anguished:

It would be unfair for the assistant coaches to get the sack while Madge remains. Ultimately he’s the head coach - he should go too.

Unfortunately its not a good look for the club if we continue to dismiss our head coach, These assistant coaches come with good credentials - but I guess that doesn't help if they are not gelling with the players perhaps. However I do not know what is going on, I guess like everyone else I just want to see us winning for a change:expressionless:

I’m not sure we could look much worse. **I just saw an article in the DT saying we should be wound up.** We need results on the field ASAP. As much as I dislike him personally Flanagan would be a better coach for us.

:astonished:

What??? No. Not the DT!! Thats hard to believe.

Worst news source in the country but that doesn’t mean it isn’t widely read. News Corp unfortunately have a lot of influence

Clubs that fail are clubs that get destroyed on the scoreboard consistently, have little membership and are broke with no business vision. Thats not us. News Corp can print all they want.