Matt Ballin signs for two years - official
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beau_the_critic
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@gallagher said:
What will Ballin add that Farah can't? Both over the hill.Taylor has no authority with senior players.Sorry are there any senior players left?
gallagher
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@beau the critic said:
Well, taylor is our coach for next year at least. I believe Ballin will have a better working relationship with him than Farah ever could have.
@Tigermama said:
The infamous boys club - a myth or a reality
Who are they ALL and what do we hold them responsible for? And now we are nearly rid of them why are we in a worse position than we were when we had them? Not convinced they deserve the criticism directed at their performances with club, considering our recent results.. Whatever they were doing wrong it was still more successful than where we are currently - that is if you base success on results. Often blamed for accepting mediocrity - next year if we reach mediocrity most would consider it a better than expected result,
Tiger_Watto
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Boys Club exist at every club. Over time, new ones pop up and reduce the life cycle of the last one and it's power base until it is extinct. The club at WT is a hangover from 2005 and started to rare it's head in a negative manner in 2009.
Most administration manage these power bases, but with so much turmoil upstairs at the Tigers, the momentum built to the point where the lunatics were running the asylum.
Forever Brothers was a cliche that was taken far to relevant at this club. What was meant to be a lifelong endorsement between mates, became part of the day to day operations and boardroom dealings. It's been obvious for years, and I for one will be glad once it is extinct.
Every building needs a strong structure to stand tall. Every business needs strong management to be successful for when the tuff times come. Our time is now and if that means losing a few more games, the long term outcomes will be better.
Most administration manage these power bases, but with so much turmoil upstairs at the Tigers, the momentum built to the point where the lunatics were running the asylum.
Forever Brothers was a cliche that was taken far to relevant at this club. What was meant to be a lifelong endorsement between mates, became part of the day to day operations and boardroom dealings. It's been obvious for years, and I for one will be glad once it is extinct.
Every building needs a strong structure to stand tall. Every business needs strong management to be successful for when the tuff times come. Our time is now and if that means losing a few more games, the long term outcomes will be better.
Great we have the SOO hooker and we sign a 31 year old. Lose Kapow in the same week. So despite of the salary cap problems, we still have to pay for Robbie PLUS another hooker, when we have re signed Halatu the stand in hooker for Robbie.
The asylum is in the hands of the inmates.
The asylum is in the hands of the inmates.
Boys club was evident when Benji had a cry about Heighington being moved on because he organised team lunches. That was beyond embarrassing as a supporter of this club to read about that.
@Tiger Watto said:
Agree, some can't see the forest from the trees. I don't get these conspiracy calls about deliberate sabotage of the club to force a relocation. The Balmain/Wests arrangement were doing a fine job of derailing this club on their own, the NRL did not need to bring in fixers to do the hatchet job.
I've worked for some very successful businesses and some not so successful, and a good balance between the short and long term visions is always an important key for both viability and growth. There is upside here for Wests Group as well, because they can introduce and/or back unpopular decisions without actually having control of the board.
By giving JT full reign, he will rightfully write his own future now. The club is giving the coach full control, and in doing so, he is held fully accountable. Likewise, JT will likely do the same with the playing group as well. This can only be a good thing, despite the immediate circumstances with Farah.
innsaneink
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I think Ballin can turn into a fan favourite very quickly, as long as he stays on the field, and the fans give him a fair go.
Hes a very good, solid player…gives good service and will complement our halves allowing them more resposibility.
He seems like a genuine good guy, never heard of any dramas with him...he and cherry will go well together
Hes a very good, solid player…gives good service and will complement our halves allowing them more resposibility.
He seems like a genuine good guy, never heard of any dramas with him...he and cherry will go well together
hammertime
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We're one of the worst, if not the worst, performing club over the last decade. The only key consistent variable in that time is Robbie Farah. Coaches have changed, perceived deadwood has been moved on, management has been chopped, changed and overhauled.
Robbie has had more than his chance as marque and captain. He's failed. Yes, he loves the club (despite actions to the contrary), but there are some obvious flaws there that other clubs marquee players don't have - such as leaders like Cam Smith and JT.
It's an astute move by Taylor to bring in someone who does have the respect & leadership skills to show the younger guys that Robbies way may not be the best way. Or at the very least, show Robbie and everyone else who is actually boss. That everyone will be held account of their actions, despite who they are. While painful right now, you can see the club has been uprooted, shaken and finally the power is shifting to where it should be.
Ballin is the key piece of the cultural shift we desperately needed.
Robbie has had more than his chance as marque and captain. He's failed. Yes, he loves the club (despite actions to the contrary), but there are some obvious flaws there that other clubs marquee players don't have - such as leaders like Cam Smith and JT.
It's an astute move by Taylor to bring in someone who does have the respect & leadership skills to show the younger guys that Robbies way may not be the best way. Or at the very least, show Robbie and everyone else who is actually boss. That everyone will be held account of their actions, despite who they are. While painful right now, you can see the club has been uprooted, shaken and finally the power is shifting to where it should be.
Ballin is the key piece of the cultural shift we desperately needed.
@Cultured Bogan said:
Its all about results on the field CB if we start judging how they spend there private time as well as their performance on the field well you may as well not sign anyone. Compared to some of the things rugby league players have been found to be doing in their private lives if that is what a' boys club' is - good luck trying to rid that in any club because it exists everywhere and there is nothing wrong with that.
foreveratiger
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@Telltails said:
If we are going by this so called Boys Club Mantra? Well we are building one here by having guys like Tedesco, Moses, Brooks, Sirronen, Sue, Lovett etc…. As all these guys have played together from the lower grades and as far as I'm aware they hang out together alot.
I think there is nothing wrong with it as Commeraderie and Mateship are formed, obviously the players as Professionals just have to know when to switch on and be serious.
Maybe in the past with characters like Liam Fulton, Bryce Gibbs, Heighno, Benji etc.... Used to occur more often than it should.
Obviously JT being the Boss would have to monitor this situation.
In my playing Days Coaches would come and go but your mates were the reason you stayed at the same Club, it obviously wouldn't apply as much in the NRL level cause it's there job and livelihood.
balmain boy
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@hammertime said:
I agree.
Change starts at the top. How can we have the cultural change the club so desperately needs when the same leader is still at the helm?
@foreveratiger said:
I understand that mate, but they're professional footballers. If it's about pissing around with your mates, maybe they need to drop back to Ron Massey cup and get a day job. When you're on hundreds of thousands of dollars and the fans are paying plenty to watch you play they don't care if you want to play with your mates or not, they expect that you play to the best of your ability.
Case in point, Benji came out and said that footy is about playing with his mates while being one of the highest paid players at the club. How does that resonate with the punter earning 50K a year who sheds hundreds of dollars on tickets/memberships and merchandise? It's not a good look.
foreveratiger
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@Cultured Bogan said:
I don't disagree with anything you have said.
The Coaching staff would have to identify any players that are not applying themselves and are pissing around at training and not the right attitude on Game Day.
Obviously the Club have no control what they do in there spare time but I'm sure there would be things in place in there Contracts about behaviour and how they conduct themselves in Public.
@TigerMoz said:
Did you even read the reasons for Martin leaving? The troubles re Farah? the reconstructing of our club? that Halatau is NOT a hooker, but can play there at a pinch?
In fact anything at all that has been released by the club, the coach and the players, both in writing and interviews on the Weststigers site?
I guess not.
