Michael Maguire leaves club

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No - As the poll suggests.
However he really is not doing his credibility much talking about the same issues each season.
Problem is that as a Club in general we talk it all, Key signings, better roster, making finals etc.

What is being delivered on the field does not match the rhetoric and as a Coach key players continue to not perform.

Mybe - We continually retain him
BJ - One of the worst signings in recent memory
Brooks - 150 gamer thought would perform better
Defense - Non existent
Game plan - Poor tactics blown away after half time both games and that is the coaches responsibility.

I watched the Dragons/Cowboys game this weekend and the difference with good coaches they inspire there player makers and team to go to another level, could see that clearly after half time.

We signed the coach for 2 more season its his job to have us playing finals, if you review my prior posts from last year i stated we would struggle in 2021 to still play finals.
Test for the coach is in 2022/23 both years but have to attract quality players that want to play for the club as well.
 
@leck said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320387) said:
@jc99 said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320380) said:
This is a dumb thread. He just signed a contract, the club clearly believes in him, he's going no where this season. Let's wait and see how we are going 3/4 through the season, not after two weeks.

Maybe in your opinion but the Tigers should have considered Demetriou when we had a chance in 2018.

Old boy that rose threw the ranks and gets our club.

Madge doesn’t.

Old boy?
Gets our club?
How so?
 
@tilllindemann said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320297) said:
We know Madge's approach (unlike when Cleary was here) has been investing in youth. We know this is a long term approach that doesn't bring immediate success. But it is precisely those youth who are shining - Laurie, Stefano, Tuki... I think in time this squad we are building will do really well. Definitely too soon to change coaches again.

100% ... We need to give Madge time with all these young new players.. I remember the Panthers only 2 years ago lost 8 of the first 10 games and Ivan had his hands in the air and even he was lost for words.. Now look at them and the next year they make the GF.. We need to give these young players time to develop as well as the coach..
 
@gnr4life said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320203) said:
@rugba said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320186) said:
Sack him after losing to 2 top 4 teams no .

Has he shown his limitations as a coach and recruiter , yes

Is sacking a coach the best option .. no .. why
- club goes back to square 1 tying to rebuild yet again and next coach has same old excuses
- realistically are their any quality coaches on the market ? No the only one I would be in that frame is Flanagan for me and due to his recent issues probably not worth the risk ( I don’t rate Paul green )
- the constant chopping and changing of coaches I believe has been ONE of many factors why Brooks has not kicked on as a player and if stuck with him for a few more years he needs coaching stability

All in all this poll gross over reaction and was probably better off started later in the season of team is a shambles

Why do people keep going on about the Raiders being one of the top 4 teams. They aren’t.

5th i reckon
 
@truetiger said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320359) said:
@goanna57 said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320302) said:
@needaname said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320289) said:
@rugba said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320278) said:
@fraze23 said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320267) said:
I honestly don't know that there is a coach out there that can turn this club around.

Failure and mediocrity seems to be a part of our fabric and I don't know who can change it, let alone how they would do it.

Each year I approach the season with optimism, this is the year the drought ends. And after our offseason recruiting drive the forum shared that optimism. I didn't expect us to beat the Raiders or the Roosters, but I genuinely didn't expect to see them give up so early in the year.

I feel sorry for Madge. He sees the bigger picture and what is wrong with the club, but for whatever reason he can't get the group to bring that to fruition on the field. In saying that neither could Cleary, Taylor, Potter or even Sheens consistently.

It's frustrating to watch other teams go on a spending spree over the offseason and turn things around in one year. I feel like we've been going around in circles trying to do the same thing for the last 10 years.

I don't know what it will take to fix us. Maybe Madge is the man for the job, maybe he isn't. But I don't think sacking him 2 games into a contract extension is smart business.

Actually , you right only because the coaching talent pool these days is pathetic (not player pool ) and I see McGuire as just another Bellamy clone

How do you expect a coaches who are clones of the top coaches to excel with inferior talent to the top sides .. they cannot

You need a coach that has different temperament, different philosophy and skill set to excel at the tigers .

Sheens won comp as was his own man
I see hoolbrook at titans , had varied Australian experience and did his own thing in England and you could see the titans improve as the season went on last year .

Holbrook was just interviewed on NRL 360. If things don’t work out with Madge that the style we need. Honestly though who found a guy like that, that thinks like that? Watching the Building Titans it appears it was Steve Mitchell and he even called one of his former players from the cowboys who was playing in the ESL under Holbrook and asked him his opinion of the coach. ‘Lachlan Coote’ BTW.

I’m not a Maguire fan never have been happy for him to go but it will achieve nothing to get rid of him right now. Need to wait till end of season I just can’t understand the rush to extend his contract

They extended him because he is TRYING to change the horrible culture that has infected this club for so long...He has dismantled the boys club and solidified the work ethic within the team...obviously they arent GOOD ENOUGH to play in the big arena and cant handle the heat...
He also has put the young players pathway back into the interest of the club...we need juniors coming through our system regularly and Madge has also been involved in recruiting young talent for us...
A few bad days and results are going to happen and I have said many times before,when posting on the forum and having a conversation on a particular topic "you have to keep personal dislike for that person out of the conversation"the club extended him for a reason,we have to have confidence in their decision as we dont have the opportunity to sit in the front office and over hear the conversations ...

TT I have absolute no personal dislike of Maguire I have never meet him let alone spoken to him so how in the world can I have a dislike of the man,I’m not here to judge him on a personal level. Judging him on his current job with this team
 
@tigerboy said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320556) said:
Guys I’ve changed me mind , Madge NEEDS TO STAY because he alone is responsible...


If you are going to have a little tanty because of the answers you get, you probably shouldnt ask the question.
 
@tigerboy said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320556) said:
Guys I’ve changed me mind , Madge NEEDS TO STAY because he alone is responsible...

What about the players who didn’t stick to the plan, didn’t follow instructions and lacked urgency and effort? Do they bear any responsibility?
 
@mike said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320591) said:
@tigerboy said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320556) said:
Guys I’ve changed me mind , Madge NEEDS TO STAY because he alone is responsible...

What about the players who didn’t stick to the plan, didn’t follow instructions and lacked urgency and effort? Do they bear any responsibility?

Or players that didnt follow there diet plan last year *cough* *cough* did someone say kfc?
 
For every sacked coach you're looking at another multiple year rebuild. We've been rebuilding ever since Sheens left and the trend will continue if another coach is shown the door.

Madge is a proven winner with the right tools. It was always going to be a massive ask given the level of mediocrity and failure he sauntered into. Until he is given a clean slate free of players on over inflated contracts who continually fail to perform then expect much of the same.......inconsistent results.
 
@jai_donaldson said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320652) said:
For every sacked coach you're looking at another multiple year rebuild. We've been rebuilding ever since Sheens left and the trend will continue if another coach is shown the door.

Madge is a proven winner with the right tools. It was always going to be a massive ask given the level of mediocrity and failure he sauntered into. Until he is given a clean slate free of players on over inflated contracts who continually fail to perform then expect much of the same.......inconsistent results.

Yep look at the Kiwis. They were a bit of a rabble when he took over. Whenever they play now he has that forward pack on-song. And his halves always do their job. He can clearly coach well if people follow his instructions.
 
@mike said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320591) said:
@tigerboy said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1320556) said:
Guys I’ve changed me mind , Madge NEEDS TO STAY because he alone is responsible...

What about the players who didn’t stick to the plan, didn’t follow instructions and lacked urgency and effort? Do they bear any responsibility?


Mate, was just mucking around - I’m not the original poster but looks as if he really is a troll... I merely meant Madge is the only coach I’ve ever seen working for our organisation that won’t take a backwards step and is weeding out that soft underbelly within our ranks that you speak of .

JT had the cojones but lacked ability, Potter had the skills but couldn’t control the group and Madge has the fortitude and skills.

We are ALL simply waiting to see if he can man manage and play to their strengths ?
 
I just read an article in nine msn....Johns and Fittler both slammed Brooks about playing 150 games in FG and still makes silly errors and puts pressure on his team mates and it apparently drives them insane when the forwards have worked hard in attack and go forward only for Brooks to kick the ball dead 3 times...thats why their dead on their feet in the last 20 they have worked hard...

There was also mention how the board just extended Madges contract and said if they did that then the coach is not the ""problem""....
 
@truetiger said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1322215) said:
I just read an article in nine msn....Johns and Fittler both slammed Brooks about playing 150 games in FG and still makes silly errors and puts pressure on his team mates and it apparently drives them insane when the forwards have worked hard in attack and go forward only for Brooks to kick the ball dead 3 times...thats why their dead on their feet in the last 20 they have worked hard...

There was also mention how the board just extended Madges contract and said if they did that then the coach is not the ""problem""....

More i think about it that last sentence probably rings true.

Probably goes to show how rotten our organisational culture had become (who is answering to this? Pascoe? Humphreys?)
I have no doubt we were seen as the retirement team in years past
 
@truetiger said in [Madge needs to go](/post/1322215) said:
I just read an article in nine msn....Johns and Fittler both slammed Brooks about playing 150 games in FG and still makes silly errors and puts pressure on his team mates and it apparently drives them insane when the forwards have worked hard in attack and go forward only for Brooks to kick the ball dead 3 times...thats why their dead on their feet in the last 20 they have worked hard...

There was also mention how the board just extended Madges contract and said if they did that then the coach is not the ""problem""....

But Madge extended him
Or was is Pascoe ?
Or Hartigan
Or the weather man ?
 
Could also go in the Brooks thread, not a good look for our club, but all cold hard facts, so no complaint from me about the bashing of the club

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/wests-tigers-luke-brooks-michael-maguire-insane-brad-fittler-andrew-johns/93dd362a-2fc5-40be-9ffa-b06a0bf44dc8?ocid=edm-wwos.nine.com.au-ninedaily--210325&mktg_scr=edm-wwosdaily

EXCLUSIVE: Wests Tigers woes epitomised by Luke Brooks driving teammates 'insane'
By Tim Elbra
5 hours ago

Andrew Johns and Brad Fittler support Michael Maguire's hard coaching stance
Michael Maguire's hardline coaching "hasn't worked".

Luke Brooks' failings as a halfback are driving teammates "insane".

Once-mighty centre Joey Leilua is fighting for his career after being axed two games into the season.

And Wests Tigers, whose last NRL finals appearance was a decade ago, sit winless and joint last on the ladder.

It's still only March, yet there's already a feeling of crisis around a club that has underachieved ever since winning its fairytale 2005 premiership.


Wests Tigers halfback Luke Brooks during a first round loss to Canberra. (Getty)
Leilua, a diabolical signing for the Tigers on a reported $700,000 per season, seems a microcosm of Maguire's plight. The coach would have backed himself to get the best from the dual Dally M Centre of the Year turned underachiever. But neither Leilua nor the Tigers have yet been restored to former glory by South Sydney's 2014 premiership-winning mentor.

How to make Wests Tigers sparkle again? The answer is elusive.

"I really don't know. Michael Maguire I think in the past has gone harder, obviously trained them harder and that hasn't worked," rugby league Immortal Andrew Johns said on Wide World of Sports' Freddy and the Eighth.

"I really don't know and I think he (Maguire) would be questioning, too."


Joseph Leilua of Wests Tigers. (Getty)
The problems start at the pointy end of the club's salary cap, even with the deadweight contracts of Josh Reynolds and Russell Packer now shed. Leilua's defensive efforts have been unacceptable. Moses Mbye continues to play well below his $800,000 salary and doesn't have a natural home in the line-up.

And Brooks' shortcomings would be wearing thin on his lesser-light teammates, NSW coach Brad Fittler believes. Simple yet brutal errors were glaring in his side's 40-6 loss to the Roosters on Sunday; chief among them kicks over the dead-ball line to concede seven-tackle defensive sets.

"Luke Brooks didn't help. The couple of times they got down there [to the Roosters' end], he kicked the ball dead," Fittler said on Freddy and the Eighth.

Johns interjected: "Three times."

Fittler continued: "I saw some examples on the weekend where middle players ... the demand on middle players these days to be fit, to be tough, to be skillful [is huge] ... and then to watch your halfback kick the ball dead three times, you've got a good right to turn around and give him a clip across the ear.

"It's just too hard a work in there to have someone just not get their job right. Until that can turn around, that attention to detail in those parts of their game ... you just can't kick it dead. Kick it short, just don't kick it dead.

"To do three of them in an important game like that where they just had to work so hard ... it's about everyone getting their little job right and then seeing the desperation as a group.

"They (the forwards) do work hard. Can you imagine being a front-rower on the weekend? You'd just go insane."

Johns added: "When the ball goes dead, the ball is kicked dead three times, the effect of that is the last 20 minutes of the game where they couldn't pick their feet up. Both in defence and attack, they had nothing ... on the back of not building pressure."

Johns, to whom Brooks was likened as a young player, said that the Wests Tigers No.7 had no excuse for making simple blunders with so much NRL experience under his belt. He baulked at a suggestion from Brooks' former teammate Benji Marshall that the 26-year-old should move to five-eighth.

"He's played 150 games in first grade," Johns said.

"And I imagine over his career, he's been a halfback his whole career. If you play 150 games in first grade, you should be able to do it on your own.

"They've swapped five-eighths, they've had Moses Mbye there, they had [Adam] Doueihi there. It's all about continuity."

Doueihi missed Round One through suspension but played against the Roosters and actually did the bulk of the team's kicking. Fittler suggested he could take even more of the kicking duties from Brooks.

"It's a different story if he doesn't kick the ball dead three times and Joey Leilua shows a bit more urgency. The score's not 40; it could be 20 but it's not 40, and that way you go into this week's game with a bit more confidence," Fittler said.

"You've just got to keep picking players that are going to be desperate and never say die and get their attention to detail right."


Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire is a winner. (Getty)
Johns asked Fittler to define the Tigers' identity, saying: "I don't know what they are." They are no longer the NRL's great entertainers, having scored 18 points through two games, and Maguire has not yet been able to make them into a gritty team willing to grind out victories with stoic defence.

"They don't have much style at the moment, they don't have that much of an identity at the moment," Fittler said.

"Until you get a few of those things right, a few of those basics that allow you to actually compete in the game from a fatigue point of view, very hard to build any sort of identity because you're tired, constantly tired. They just need to get better, across the park."

Johns added: "You look at the Melbourne Storm from five years ago, their core players in those key positions. You look at the Roosters. And then you look at the Tigers; how many of the players from five years ago are still playing there?"

Brooks is the only long-term key position player left, thanks to the disastrous 2017 period that saw James Tedesco and Mitchell Moses sign with the Roosters and Eels respectively, plus the retirement of premiership hooker Robbie Farah. The halfback is currently on a four-year contract worth $2.4 million, expiring at the end of 2023.

Brooks was the 2018 Dally M Halfback of the Year but has done little since to justify that surprise award win. He has never been a serious contender for representative honours, despite now being in the supposed prime of his career. Wests Tigers have never made the finals with him at the helm.

He was dropped from first grade by a frustrated Maguire mid-way through last season. Marshall outplayed him for much of the season, yet was shown the door despite his club icon status; and has played well for South Sydney so far this year.

Brooks should be a steadying factor in a team desperate for certainty in key positions, yet is another headache for his coach.

The coach re-signed with Wests Tigers on a two-year extension at the end of last season, despite a disappointing 11th-placed finish. It seemed a clear message from the board: the coach isn't the problem.

But if Maguire's players won't lift under his guidance, proven in the past to get results, the future looks mighty uncertain for the club. Where do they go? As Johns said, who knows.
 
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