Momorovski wants out

[JB]

losing momoroski would be crazy hes the best centre at the club
and if u think the other 2 are better we are in 2021 now
when was the last time roberts was actually good,and dont even get me started on Leilua
hes a headcase and lazy as in defense

Joey was always found out in big games for Canberra. His laziness probably cost them the big one

Bit of a flat track bully. He made a rep by carving up average teams like us.

Not sure about the entire grand final but if you're referring to the rorters winning try he actually made the tackle prior and got to his feet alongside the play the ball (and stuck his hands in the air...). Anyway, let's hope he's primed for a big season with his brother and the Jet!

 

[Geo]

I guess you would have ask does releasing Momirovski and gaining Laurie a year earlier is a bigger gain for Wests Tigers than it would be for Penrith...with a view to the future..

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Always find it annoying when our laundry is aired and felt no different with the possible JAC-Talau trade, the Aloiai stuff and now the recent Momirovski talk.
The club's values are supposed to be Respect, Team and Excellence(I think?) but the way in which some negotiations go down only give off an impression the team's trademark is the exact opposite.
No one wants to read players are not feeling valued by the club, but who could actually blame them when certain stuff is said in the media?

He might not be walking into a first grade position at another club but he's an asset to our club and all I ever want is for all our players is to give their best - which he does - and not feel undervalued or somewhat mistreated.

The laundry is aired by the player manager, not the club. So I agree it is annoying, when the player doesn't get precisely what they want, or the player wants to adjust the terms of their deal, the club says no, and then it hits the media.

I didn't see anywhere where it was stated that Momorovski did not feel valued by the club? In fact the opposite - his value is indicated by a reluctance to release him.

Now personally I can feel for the bloke - he left Roosters to get a start at Tigers, couldn't quite cement it, then agreed to a swap deal in Melbourne, where he again wasn't first-choice. He returns to Tigers and they sign, in consecutive off-seasons, superior players in his preferred position. No doubt he wants to investigate his options at other clubs where he might get a regular start. Furthermore with the recent COVID uncertainties, it is the non-starters that are at biggest risk of missing game time in 2021.

However I fail to see anywhere mistreatment or failure to indicate value to the club. Coach has been frank with the player - you are not first-choice but you are valued to our entire roster. And apparently that's not good enough, with two release requests. One release request I understand, but why ask a second time?

The Aloiai stuff is not related to Momorovski. The player agitated for a pay rise, Tigers declined, then his manager agitated for a move to where one of his other players (AFB) had left a hole in the roster. Not the Tigers' fault that Aloiai was signed to a deal he subsequently wanted to improve. And frankly Aloiai did not have such an outstanding 2019 or 2020 as to demand a pay rise.

Appreciate the response but the gist of my comment is that players obviously aren't onboard with the club's plans with them. (Dont they direct their managers?)
I only applied the mistreatment and undervalued comments as in the background the club has been using the players as collateral (in attempt) for trades over the last year or so. This doesn't strike me one bit as having an appreciation and seeing the value for/in them.
Just think some things are indefensible.
I'm tired of being angry at the media or Ivan or whoever the club or manager it is that we're dealing with.
This is all obviously just my personal opinion and I actually have no issues with others throwing all their support behind the club for these type of things, but why are some ignoring the hypocrisy due to the club's own role in setting it in motion?

Legacy Cleary players Lauren . One by one they’re all leaving . The only ones staying are ones who signed under Madge , or are juniors / came here a while ago for a start . Like Garner .

You can’t judge them for not wanting to play under Madge and you can’t judge Madge , for wanting to get the most out of them the o LT way he knows how .
Square pegs round holes

Cheers @strongee.
Probably should've just read all thread content first as was confused about some of the angst or anger being directed toward the media, manager, Ivan or Momorivoski. Still don't understand some of it and only wish to add that I believe the outcome is good for us either way - we bring our signed FB over earlier or keep a great depth player.

I agree with you Lauren . It’s win win . But some people are so I. Love with this try scoring stat , they refuse to see what their eyeballs tell them . Whatever .

 

[Cairnstigers]

A trade to Penrith for Laurie would be a good outcome

Spot on. We get a player we want and let a player who doesn't want to be here, leave. Win / win.

He doesnt wanna be here because hes done the right thing by the club,proven himself in a premiership winning team,and on his return(after a 2 year contract extension) gets told hes gonna be totally shafted for a couple of chronic underperformers,albeit talented...but rarely deliver.
Ask yrself...why have they both been at half a dozen clubs....????
I simply cant believe we make these decisions...coach under pressure IMO.

Like any player at our club
If you want a starting spot you have got to fight for it and earn it 1st
There should be no guarantee starter at our club
If Paul is upset with our signings, he should grow some balls and fight for a spot
Unless of course he thinks he is not good enough

I have a sneaky feeling that Melbourne might be after him on the quiet

Geez some of you have revisionist history . Momo did not “star” for the storm . In fact he wasn’t first choice there , even before his injuries . He was a backup . So can we just get some perspective here or what ?
Also BJ , has been putting in this off season , as well as the jet , and because both those guys are way more talented than momo , if they are fit and firing , of course momo is going to be positioned behind those 2 . As well as Talau , who is a better footballer than him .

He’s had now, 3 months to show that he is the right option , and he hasn’t . Do you guys actually want to win ? Because if Madge can get Jimmy and BJ to buy in , that’s our best chance of winning . The buying in , was the issue , not the talent .

Not sure what you took out of my comments to come up with that reply
Everyone should be fighting for a start
No exceptions
If Momorovski is in our 30 he needs to do his best
If that is good enough to make the 30 then great
If not then to bad for him

Melbourne had a use for him last year as he played a number of games for them
He could have easily been in the grand final team if it was not for his injury
Momorovski probably sees that as an opportunity lost
With Vunavalu gone and Addo-Carr on his way out, Bellamy probably sees Momorovski as a player he may be able to use
At least until they sign a top class winger/ Centre

Momorovski can't be that bad if he played for the Roosters/ Melbourne and Now Penrith are looking at him Apparently
He adds some kind of value to those teams
Now if you say Melbourne wanted Harry to gain experience and that's why they took Momorovski, then you are only looking at half the story
Why did Melbourne not take Packer or McQueen or Reynolds or Taylor or Jennings
Because Momorovski is better than those players and he adds value
Now I'm not saying Momorovski is a starter
But he is a very handy back up
Every team needs players like Momo in their 30
If not here, then maybe Panthers
Let's see where he ends up and how many games he plays in 2021
He is better then most give credit for
And in my view had been better then Mbye has been for us
Especially for the $ he is paid

 

[happy_tiger]

Not that this is an excuse ...but I bet he was offered the world to shift to Melbourne for a season

 

[Tigerwould]

If Laurie comes early, where does that leave Mbye?
Most have Mbye playing fullback this year.

 

[Guest]

Club playing it smart here, letting the other suitors know he wont be released without "what we want in return"....watch this space....Momo will be released once we get what we want....

That's the way I see this scenario playing out.

 

[Harvey]

We will stand firm, we are not soft. We will not be dictated to, and players will be forced to honour their contract.

Just like Matterson, Aloiai.

Here we go again. For all the media spin the club has caved in twice and there is now an expectation from the playing group that they can walk away if things are not going their way & they have a better offer.

Based on history JTJ and BJ will be lucky to see the season out and we have limited options in terms of back-ups.

I dont think Momo or the club has done anything wrong...the media are making something out of nothing here

Can completely understand Momo wanting out and if we can get Laurie early its a win win.

Limited back ups? We have Talau, Mybe (if Laurie is here), Hoffman, Cini and AJ - all specialist centres... Centre were stacked.

Which other clubs have players that have recently signed a contract ask for a release as soon as they don't make first grade.

My understanding is our backline is:
Mbye, Nofa, JTJ, BJ, Talau.

Available (apart from Momo) are AJ & Cini. We are one injury away from someone who can't tackle being first picked.

Alot if they're second string players...you just don't hear from them as the media don't report it. Again, Momo isn't leaving because he is unhappy or wants more money he is just looking for a starting opportunity.

We will (should) only release if we receive Laurie in return meaning Mybe and Talau are the direct back ups. AJ will go to the wing if Talau is needed in the centre. Again, we will still have Hoffman and Cini...how many centres do we need?

I am only for releasing if we get Laurie not just for the sake of it which looks to be the case as Madge has said.

Unless Hoffman has been upgraded, him & Kei are on a development contract and not available until after round 16.

We have Talau, AJ, Cini & Mbye (assuming Laurie comes and is ready for first grade) to cover every position from 1-5. As I said if Cini gets anywhere near first grade we are in trouble.

 

[Harvey]

Club playing it smart here, letting the other suitors know he wont be released without "what we want in return"....watch this space....Momo will be released once we get what we want....

Yes like we got adequate compensation for Matterson & commercial benefit for Aloiai.

We did . We signed Joe O for josh , and a fair financial hit for Matto .

Because dynamism is as rare as anything . And thats what BJ jas in spades , when he’s on. . Momo is a serviceable centre who won’t let you down , might do a few good things , but ultimately is net 0. If you have a team full of net 0 , you are going no where but mid table . And guess where we have ended up with this tragedy for the last 5 years ???? You need to have guys who will cause you heart attacks , but might beat a team by themselves . Because the competition is too close to not have them. And there’s no difference really between losing by 2 or losing by 20 . You’re still losing .
But you might have a chance with guys like this , to really change a game . You can’t have more than a couple ina team . And I think that’s the calculated risk the team is taking .

We had space in our roster and cap (if the Broncos are subsided as speculated) for Joe O regardless of what happened with Aloiai, the 2 are unrelated.

We apparently got some financial compensation from Manly which goes towards the bottom line not the cap and an additional spot on the roster that we still need someone to fill.

 

[Tigerwould]

We will stand firm, we are not soft. We will not be dictated to, and players will be forced to honour their contract.

Just like Matterson, Aloiai.

Here we go again. For all the media spin the club has caved in twice and there is now an expectation from the playing group that they can walk away if things are not going their way & they have a better offer.

Based on history JTJ and BJ will be lucky to see the season out and we have limited options in terms of back-ups.

I dont think Momo or the club has done anything wrong...the media are making something out of nothing here

Can completely understand Momo wanting out and if we can get Laurie early its a win win.

Limited back ups? We have Talau, Mybe (if Laurie is here), Hoffman, Cini and AJ - all specialist centres... Centre were stacked.

Which other clubs have players that have recently signed a contract ask for a release as soon as they don't make first grade.

My understanding is our backline is:
Mbye, Nofa, JTJ, BJ, Talau.

Available (apart from Momo) are AJ & Cini. We are one injury away from someone who can't tackle being first picked.

Alot if they're second string players...you just don't hear from them as the media don't report it. Again, Momo isn't leaving because he is unhappy or wants more money he is just looking for a starting opportunity.

We will (should) only release if we receive Laurie in return meaning Mybe and Talau are the direct back ups. AJ will go to the wing if Talau is needed in the centre. Again, we will still have Hoffman and Cini...how many centres do we need?

I am only for releasing if we get Laurie not just for the sake of it which looks to be the case as Madge has said.


Unless Hoffman has been upgraded, him & Kei are on a development contract and not available until after round 16.

We have Talau, AJ, Cini & Mbye (assuming Laurie comes and is ready for first grade) to cover every position from 1-5. As I said if Cini gets anywhere near first grade we are in trouble.

You could say that about any position in the team. If you two best players break down and your relying on your 4th best option...generally you’re in trouble.

 

[Swordy]

Never rated this guy and have said so many times in this forum, only to be howled down by many, including the old Bellamy said..blah blah blah.

Look, the guy is better than me, he has played first grade. But i dont think he is top 20 even in our club. Club obviously feels the same, and is using him to bargain alternatives as a good club would.

I wish him well and I hope he gets what he wants. Im sure he is a decent person, but that doesnt make a great player.

All the best, seeya Momo.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

A trade to Penrith for Laurie would be a good outcome

Spot on. We get a player we want and let a player who doesn't want to be here, leave. Win / win.

He doesnt wanna be here because hes done the right thing by the club,proven himself in a premiership winning team,and on his return(after a 2 year contract extension) gets told hes gonna be totally shafted for a couple of chronic underperformers,albeit talented...but rarely deliver.
Ask yrself...why have they both been at half a dozen clubs....????
I simply cant believe we make these decisions...coach under pressure IMO.

Like any player at our club
If you want a starting spot you have got to fight for it and earn it 1st
There should be no guarantee starter at our club
If Paul is upset with our signings, he should grow some balls and fight for a spot
Unless of course he thinks he is not good enough

I have a sneaky feeling that Melbourne might be after him on the quiet

Geez some of you have revisionist history . Momo did not “star” for the storm . In fact he wasn’t first choice there , even before his injuries . He was a backup . So can we just get some perspective here or what ?
Also BJ , has been putting in this off season , as well as the jet , and because both those guys are way more talented than momo , if they are fit and firing , of course momo is going to be positioned behind those 2 . As well as Talau , who is a better footballer than him .

He’s had now, 3 months to show that he is the right option , and he hasn’t . Do you guys actually want to win ? Because if Madge can get Jimmy and BJ to buy in , that’s our best chance of winning . The buying in , was the issue , not the talent .

Not sure what you took out of my comments to come up with that reply
Everyone should be fighting for a start
No exceptions
If Momorovski is in our 30 he needs to do his best
If that is good enough to make the 30 then great
If not then to bad for him

Melbourne had a use for him last year as he played a number of games for them
He could have easily been in the grand final team if it was not for his injury
Momorovski probably sees that as an opportunity lost
With Vunavalu gone and Addo-Carr on his way out, Bellamy probably sees Momorovski as a player he may be able to use
At least until they sign a top class winger/ Centre

Momorovski can't be that bad if he played for the Roosters/ Melbourne and Now Penrith are looking at him Apparently
He adds some kind of value to those teams
Now if you say Melbourne wanted Harry to gain experience and that's why they took Momorovski, then you are only looking at half the story
Why did Melbourne not take Packer or McQueen or Reynolds or Taylor or Jennings
Because Momorovski is better than those players and he adds value
Now I'm not saying Momorovski is a starter
But he is a very handy back up
Every team needs players like Momo in their 30
If not here, then maybe Panthers
Let's see where he ends up and how many games he plays in 2021
He is better then most give credit for
And in my view had been better then Mbye has been for us
Especially for the $ he is paid

I think I replied to the wrong comment for some reason . I’ve been having a few glitches with the new update . Just take it as a general opinion . Not directly pertaining to you mate .
Also I ? agree with you on everything . My issue is only with the guys making out like we are losing our starting centre . To those guys ,I’ve made my point . He’s definitely worth keeping , but if we are letting him go to strengthen a position of need like fullback , we’ll it’s a no brainer for me

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Maybe it will be a swap move to the Dragons for McInness

Momo moving to Penrith he won’t get playing time & doesn’t solve his issue, doubt he would agree to it whilst also getting Laurie for Momo wouldn’t make sense for Penrith either unless he went on a Dev contract.

 

[nrlsurvivor]

Maybe it will be a swap move to the Dragons for McInness

Momo moving to Penrith he won’t get playing time & doesn’t solve his issue, doubt he would agree to it whilst also getting Laurie for Momo wouldn’t make sense for Penrith either unless he went on a Dev contract.

Most of Sydney’s Macedonian community live in the St George area. Momo could end up a cult hero like el Masri was at the Dogs.

 

[happy_tiger]

I love what Momi did for the club , but that doesn't make him worth more unfortunately

He might be worth 250 k max ...and if I'm honest I reckon we might have 300 k left on the salary cap table

And I can't see any club wanting to take his full contract at this late stage

Some of the names being dropped are fanciful ..hope I'm wrong

 

[Harvey]

I think that technically he can sign with anyone now. Wasn't 2022 a player option on his contract and therefore he can choose to move on from the end of next year.

 

[cochise]

I think that technically he can sign with anyone now. Wasn't 2022 a player option on his contract and therefore he can choose to move on from the end of next year.

That is correct.

 

[Cobarcats]

I think that technically he can sign with anyone now. Wasn't 2022 a player option on his contract and therefore he can choose to move on from the end of next year.

That is correct.

Let him go.

 

[Harvey]

I think that technically he can sign with anyone now. Wasn't 2022 a player option on his contract and therefore he can choose to move on from the end of next year.

That is correct.

Let him go*.

* = Sung to the tune of the Frozen theme.

 

[Tiger5150]

I genuinely dont get the love of some here for Momers. I dont dislike him and I think he is a solid first grade player in the mold of Shane Elford but Ive never seen him do anything impressive.

His fans here regularly quote his try scoring strike rate, but they are all catch and crash tries, I cant remember him beating a player.

He is a good solid player but I think he has shown enough to know that he is VERY consistent, because what you see is what you get. This IS his ceiling.

BJ & JTJ may not be consistent but their ceiling is MUCH higher than Momers. Talau looks raw but I think he has natural talents (mostly size) that Momers doesnt have .

IMO I'd put Momo on a par with Talau.....and we have Talau.

I wouldnt be upset if we traded him for a Laurie for example, but he does have enough that he would be one of those players I watch nervously in another clubs colours wondering if we let one get away.