NRL. Anti-Vaxers..

[DGilly]

I work at a hospital and have gotten the vax but please stop parading about how intelligent you are for having gotten it. You've blindly followed what you've been told without understanding how mrna or spike proteins work either. Frankly if the news told you not to get it you wouldn't.

What do you do at the hospital?
It must be relevant seeing as you mentioned it in your broad generalising swipe.
The media is merely the channel many get their info and advice frim highly qualified ied experts

I said it so people couldn't accuse me of being an ignorant anti vaxxer - I wished to make it clear I have gotten it and am not against it before I then made my statement. And I work in medical research

I still find you to be fairly ignorant if I am being honest.

By assuming most people don't know how complex medical innovations work? Okay I take back "you" and instead I'll say "its likely that you".

It is incredibly likely that you don't know anything about the people you are making generalisations about.

Okay cochise you're right. Everyone who has gotten the vax knows exactly how spike proteins and mrna works. I'm an idiot for assuming that despite these being complex scientific developments researched by people with PHDs, everyone who's gotten the vaccine knows the exact mechanisms behind how it works and didn't just do it because they were told to. Happy?

 “The earth has music for those who listen.”

But when it comes to serious matters on this forum, there is no such thing as freedom of speech or that's your opinion, unless your willing and capable of fighting a tough battle.

And let's not fool ourselves, until you have settled in and become accustomed, this forum can be as brutal and unforgiving as any other social media site.

As soon as you open your mouth with a differing opinion you will immediately be labelled as the **black sheep** of the forum and that label will remain forever unless you can put in a lot of time and effort to try to remove it, if you can, and sometimes, when even mentioning just **one harmless word** can be enough to count you as a **black sheep**. And you will not be ignored but will be rushed with your time in trying to defend that opinion.

The white sheep rule the forum, but its clear that some **white sheep aren't as white** as they appear.

@DGilly, had the courage to say some very important words but he could have been interrupted and halted very quickly by those who think themselves as only my opinion is 100% right, and had @DGilly not known how to navigate and stood up for himself, this forum would have very quickly pushed him out the window and stuck the label on him as a black sheep **social outcast**.

So, good on you @DGilly for sharing your important opinions with us and for also being courageous in standing up for yourself.
“**The earth has music for those who listen**.”

I appreciate these words. Thank you

 

[mike]

Of course they are gene therapies, that's well recognised. But it doesn't matter for this discussion. They have never been used before in these numbers and there are no long term safety data.

They definitely are **NOT gene therapies**. This a well established fact. They never enter the nucleus of a cell and cannot alter your genes.

The mRNA enters the cells and instruct the cells to express the spike protein on it's surface, which they do. They have never been used before in a mass vaccination campaign and we have no long term safety data.

Anyway, the point is, there is no long term safety data. If you know of any, please let me know.

I understand what the vaccines do. That's why I know they are not gene therapy, the mRNA vaccines DO NOT ALTER YOUR GENES.

The cell responds as you say a produces a spike protein. The mRNA is then quickly broken down and destroyed by the cell. The spike protein is recognised as a invader and primes your immune system to produces antibodies. If you then do then get a live Covid 19 virus your immune system recognises it and does it's job. It's you immune system that does the heavy lifting.

The vaccines only stay in your system for a very short time. A matter of days, at the most a few weeks for some, and then they are gone.

We already know what the adverse effects of the vaccines are. Longitudinal studies won't reveal any additional adverse effects. What they will do is determine how long the the immune response is, and therefore how often we need boosters. Various aspects of the studies may tell us what is the most effective dose.

@mike, are you a doctor?

No

Why are some people asymptomatic despite not being vaccinated? I thought we have zero immunity to the virus before catching it?

Being asymptomatic is not unique to Covid19. There could be a number of reasons why a person is asymptomatic. Below are just a few.

One reason could be the viral load the asymptotic person receives is low and the immune system is able to cope with the low viral load and not show any symptoms.

Some people’s immune system may be more adaptive to a particular virus, in this case Covid19, than others and are therefore less effected by Covid19

It could also be that the virus ‘hides’ (ref science daily) from the immune system in the early stages, asymptomatic stage, allowing the virus to spread more easily before symptoms occur.

Edit: Also in some cases they simply don’t know, yet. No doubt given time they will uncover further details.

 

[DGilly]

For crying out loud they are not gene therapies. The vaccines do not alter your genes, period.

We don't know. That''s the point. They haven't been studied long enough.

https://rightsfreedoms.wordpress.com/2021/08/13/mit-harvard-study-suggests-mrna-vaccine-might-permanently-alter-dna-after-all/

The answer is NO the mRNA vaccines do not alter your DNA. Absolutely misinformation by Dr Doug well and truly debunked.

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/mrna-vaccines-will-not-change-your-dna-debunking-doug-corrigan/

So irritating when people say this. MRNA has as much influence on your DNA as kicking a football does

 

[jirskyr]

I would again remind people that just because someone has decided against taking this experimental jab, it does not necessarily make them an "anti-vaxxer". I know lots of folk who have not taken these jabs but do still take real vaccines for different diseases either as a prophylactic or as a treatment.

I would again remind you they aren't specifically "experimental" vaccines and the other vaccines aren't "real" in comparison.

Or more correctly - all drugs were, and technically continue to be, experimental.

 

[jirskyr]

What should not be debated is the individual’s right to choose without coercion of losing employment and the host of other ‘policies’ implemented.

Sorry not correct. Individual does not have a blanket right to make any personal choice without fear of losing employment.

>And for God’s sake, look outside of what you are hearing on the ABC, 9,7,10. There is some amazing information from some very highly qualified and informed people who have every reason to be heard, yet are silenced by Big Tech and from the MSM.

You don't need to listen to any media, listen to the world's health authorities, who are specialists and the ultimate legal authority in review and approval of medicines.

The TGA aren't elected nor are they politicians. They aren't media. They have authority over all drugs approved for marketing in Australia - not just COVID vax but panadol and ibuprofen and viagra and anything else. They apply the same rules and rigour to all drug distribution applications.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

So any word on who our player is that is holding out?

Also the Warriors player must be reasonably high profile at that wage.

 

[KingRobbie]

So any word on who our player is that is holding out?

Also the Warriors player must be reasonably high profile at that wage.

Warriors player is Addin Fonua-Blake.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

What should not be debated is the individual’s right to choose without coercion of losing employment and the host of other ‘policies’ implemented.

Sorry not correct. Individual does not have a blanket right to make any personal choice without fear of losing employment.

>And for God’s sake, look outside of what you are hearing on the ABC, 9,7,10. There is some amazing information from some very highly qualified and informed people who have every reason to be heard, yet are silenced by Big Tech and from the MSM.

You don't need to listen to any media, listen to the world's health authorities, who are specialists and the ultimate legal authority in review and approval of medicines.

The TGA aren't elected nor are they politicians. They aren't media. They have authority over all drugs approved for marketing in Australia - not just COVID vax but panadol and ibuprofen and viagra and anything else. They apply the same rules and rigour to all drug distribution applications.

You just have to look at the results of vaccination number of cases have reduced hospital admissions have reduced the number of deaths have reduced and dare I say the number of anti vaxers will reduce as they contract covid

 

[balmain boy]

So any word on who our player is that is holding out?

Also the Warriors player must be reasonably high profile at that wage.

All the players on the list are islanders. For us perhaps Mikaele or Kepaoa

 

[tig_prmz]

So any word on who our player is that is holding out?

Also the Warriors player must be reasonably high profile at that wage.

All the players on the list are islanders. For us perhaps Mikaele or Kepaoa

They'd be on double the amount. Someone on $150k is likely to be a reserve player or someone on train and trial contract.

 

[Geo]

So any word on who our player is that is holding out?

Also the Warriors player must be reasonably high profile at that wage.

All the players on the list are islanders. For us perhaps Mikaele or Kepaoa

Can’t be either of them as they are training with the squad..

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

What should not be debated is the individual’s right to choose without coercion of losing employment and the host of other ‘policies’ implemented.

Sorry not correct. Individual does not have a blanket right to make any personal choice without fear of losing employment.

>And for God’s sake, look outside of what you are hearing on the ABC, 9,7,10. There is some amazing information from some very highly qualified and informed people who have every reason to be heard, yet are silenced by Big Tech and from the MSM.

You don't need to listen to any media, listen to the world's health authorities, who are specialists and the ultimate legal authority in review and approval of medicines.

The TGA aren't elected nor are they politicians. They aren't media. They have authority over all drugs approved for marketing in Australia - not just COVID vax but panadol and ibuprofen and viagra and anything else. They apply the same rules and rigour to all drug distribution applications.

You just have to look at the results of vaccination number of cases have reduced hospital admissions have reduced the number of deaths have reduced and dare I say the number of anti vaxers will reduce as they contract covid

Not if there are booster shots every 6 months. You have to be slightly concerned about myocarditis if that happens

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

So any word on who our player is that is holding out?

Also the Warriors player must be reasonably high profile at that wage.

All the players on the list are islanders. For us perhaps Mikaele or Kepaoa

They have both been at training.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

So any word on who our player is that is holding out?

Also the Warriors player must be reasonably high profile at that wage.

All the players on the list are islanders. For us perhaps Mikaele or Kepaoa

They'd be on double the amount. Someone on $150k is likely to be a reserve player or someone on train and trial contract.

$150 000 is just above minimum wage for a top 30 player. Has Kelma Tuilagi been at training?

 

[cochise]

So any word on who our player is that is holding out?

Also the Warriors player must be reasonably high profile at that wage.

All the players on the list are islanders. For us perhaps Mikaele or Kepaoa

They'd be on double the amount. Someone on $150k is likely to be a reserve player or someone on train and trial contract.

$150 000 is just above minimum wage for a top 30 player. Has Kelma Tuilagi been at training?

Yes

 

[Geo]

So any word on who our player is that is holding out?

Also the Warriors player must be reasonably high profile at that wage.

All the players on the list are islanders. For us perhaps Mikaele or Kepaoa

They'd be on double the amount. Someone on $150k is likely to be a reserve player or someone on train and trial contract.

$150 000 is just above minimum wage for a top 30 player. Has Kelma Tuilagi been at training?

Yes ..ripping in…

 

[fibrodreaming]

They definitely are NOT gene therapies. This a well established fact.

Mods, we really need to bring the downvote option back. So people who post grossly inaccurate and fantasy comments like this, about covid vaccine being “gene therapy”, get to see that we know it’s BS.

I am disappointed that TT has urged the mods to censor me because he doesn't agree with the views expressed. It is not as straightforward as either of them imply, which I will try to explain.

I am going to provide some evidence that the mRNA and viral vector vaccines are. or were, regarded as gene therapies.

First, a SEC filing by Moderna in December 2019, as Covid was gaining strength. In this long document it outlines its development of the mRNA vaccines. It says:

“We started with prophylactic vaccines as our first modality…… For our first programs in this modality we chose our H10N8 and H7N9 pandemic influenza vaccines, each requiring expression of a single membrane protein. “

Moderna then goes on to explain: “**Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA**”. (My emphasis).

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000168285220000006/moderna10-k12312019.htm

Certainly, **The American Society for Gene + Cell Therapy** greeted the news of mRNA vaccines very enthusiastically with the headline: “COVID-19 Vaccine Candidates Show Gene Therapy is a Viable Strategy - Findings from Moderna and Pfizer demonstrate that gene therapy is a viable strategy for developing vaccines to combat COVID-19.”

https://asgct.org/research/news/november-2020/covid-19-moderna-nih-vaccine

Next is a discussion of the viral vector vaccine (AstraZeneca) by the The University of Oxford’s Oxford Vaccine Group. It claims that its “Vaccine Knowledge Project” aims to be a source of independent information about vaccines and infectious diseases.

It says of viral vector vaccines: “Viral vectored vaccines work in a different way. The genetic information inside a viral vectored vaccine like ChAdOx1 is DNA rather than RNA. This DNA is a short linear piece of double stranded DNA which contains the viral genes along with the gene for the spike protein. **The viral vector first infects the cell and then delivers this DNA to the cell nucleus**. (My emphasis)

https://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/

What has happened is that the definition of “gene therapy” has changed (just as the definition of vaccine was changed to cover the new vaccines). Prior to this year, all mRNA therapies were classified as gene therapies.

In the case of AstraZeneca its product DOES enter the nucleus, which makes it a gene therapy.

I hope that clears it up.

 

[happy_tiger]

So any word on who our player is that is holding out?

Also the Warriors player must be reasonably high profile at that wage.

All the players on the list are islanders. For us perhaps Mikaele or Kepaoa

They'd be on double the amount. Someone on $150k is likely to be a reserve player or someone on train and trial contract.

$150 000 is just above minimum wage for a top 30 player. Has Kelma Tuilagi been at training?

Yes

Talau ......

 

[mike]

They definitely are NOT gene therapies. This a well established fact.

Mods, we really need to bring the downvote option back. So people who post grossly inaccurate and fantasy comments like this, about covid vaccine being “gene therapy”, get to see that we know it’s BS.

I am disappointed that TT has urged the mods to censor me because he doesn't agree with the views expressed. It is not as straightforward as either of them imply, which I will try to explain.

I am going to provide some evidence that the mRNA and viral vector vaccines are. or were, regarded as gene therapies.

First, a SEC filing by Moderna in December 2019, as Covid was gaining strength. In this long document it outlines its development of the mRNA vaccines. It says:

“We started with prophylactic vaccines as our first modality…… For our first programs in this modality we chose our H10N8 and H7N9 pandemic influenza vaccines, each requiring expression of a single membrane protein. “

Moderna then goes on to explain: “**Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA**”. (My emphasis).

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000168285220000006/moderna10-k12312019.htm

Certainly, **The American Society for Gene + Cell Therapy** greeted the news of mRNA vaccines very enthusiastically with the headline: “COVID-19 Vaccine Candidates Show Gene Therapy is a Viable Strategy - Findings from Moderna and Pfizer demonstrate that gene therapy is a viable strategy for developing vaccines to combat COVID-19.”

https://asgct.org/research/news/november-2020/covid-19-moderna-nih-vaccine

Next is a discussion of the viral vector vaccine (AstraZeneca) by the The University of Oxford’s Oxford Vaccine Group. It claims that its “Vaccine Knowledge Project” aims to be a source of independent information about vaccines and infectious diseases.

It says of viral vector vaccines: “Viral vectored vaccines work in a different way. The genetic information inside a viral vectored vaccine like ChAdOx1 is DNA rather than RNA. This DNA is a short linear piece of double stranded DNA which contains the viral genes along with the gene for the spike protein. **The viral vector first infects the cell and then delivers this DNA to the cell nucleus**. (My emphasis)

https://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/

What has happened is that the definition of “gene therapy” has changed (just as the definition of vaccine was changed to cover the new vaccines). Prior to this year, all mRNA therapies were classified as gene therapies.

In the case of AstraZeneca its product DOES enter the nucleus, which makes it a gene therapy.

I hope that clears it up.

As demonstrated many times it is not gene therapy. The mRNA vaccines do not enter the nucleus and therefore cannot change your DNA. You are spreading misinformation and should be banned for doing so.