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@joelcainenumber1fan said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520296) said:
@supercoach said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520224) said:
Iam 100% behind getting vaxed and this is based on medical science.
I also don’t understand how people are against the vax, BUT I do agree everyone should have a choice.

What I do find strange is their are anti Vaxers who are willing to pop a pill at a party with no idea what the pill has in it, inject Botox into their bodies, take steroids and other substances to build up their muscles, eat products without having any idea what is in these foodstuffs and eat fast foods laced with chemical preservatives.

I remember when the wearing of seatbelts were made law, their was a out cry from a few and some people rejected the idea. Many years on I think 99% of people don’t even think about not putting a seat belt on.

Anyway everyone has a choice and it’s their choice

most aren't anti-vaxxed they are just about this one
i'm more worried about long term side-effects and the fact we are probley gonna be taking these for the rest of our lives
what does something like this do to people who are already healthy ??

This is not an attack at all - I'm just curious why people are worried about "long-term" side effects from this vaccine in particular?

I'm at somewhat of a disadvantage here because I work in drug development, so I have an unusually high exposure to the science and methodology of drug development (including vaccines).

Fundamentally vaccines work to provoke an immune response in people. So actually long-term adverse effects are very uncommon, because vaccines don't "hang around" in your body - they provoke a natural body response then they break down. Almost all the adverse effects observed from vaccines are rapidly presenting and short-lived. This is the reason they only ask you to hang around 15-30 mins after administration, because a very very large percentage of reactions are rapidly-presenting.

And the main adverse reactions to any vaccine are associated with jabbing people, and immune reactions to being jabbed. In other words, if you stick a needle in someone's arm, for any reason, there will be physical responses to the needle. There will be systemic body responses to provoking an immune response (fever, aches, headaches, low-level pain). After that there's really not much else to it, nor does the medical science predict there should be long-term issues from the vaccine (mRNA or any other vaccine).

People should consider it like they consider panadol - if you take one, you have a specific reaction to that one dose. If you take panadol every day for your life, then yes you may have long-term side effects because you are constantly re-dosing, constantly keeping the drug in your system. For vaccines, you aren't constantly keeping the vaccine in your system, you are provoking the immune system to respond to the pathogen and then remember that response.

The only reason we need boosters of any vaccine is because there are different levels to which the "average" immune system will remember its own response to a pathogen. Things like chicken pox typically stick for most of your life. Things like flu only last a year because flu mutates rapidly.

And that goes on to your second comment - are we going to be taking this for the rest of our lives? Maybe. The current boosters are only being administered because the vaccine effectiveness is proving to wane after 6-12 months, so you re-provoke the immune system to get it back up. You aren't doing anything particularly dangerous by getting a booster, particularly if you've already well managed the first two shots.

Will we need constant boosters? Well that depends on what COVID does in the future. If it keeps mutating like flu, then yes there will be ongoing boosters. Nobody seems to complain or worry that flu has an annual vaccine update for higher-risk populations. The difference however is that flu has been circulating in the population for thousands of years, so our species has a fairly robust long-term immune resistance to flu. COVID has been around for 5 minutes, so we have very very little natural immunity.

Your last question: "what does something like this do to people who are already healthy"? You mean what does the vaccine do? Just invokes your natural immune response. Getting it every year would do the same thing as the flu shot does - boost your immune system in anticipation of being exposed to flu, and if you are already healthy, then great your risk profile is even lower.
 
@go_you_good_things said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520381) said:
@jirskyr said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520247) said:
@go_you_good_things said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520186) said:
@jirskyr said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520031) said:
@cobarcats said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1519909) said:
@philgood said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1519895) said:
@kul said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1519835) said:
My belief is that those who aren't vaccinate are unsafe so I don't want them near my team.

How does one being unvaccinated have a bearing on the safety of the vaccinated? As we can see, the vaccinated are spreading this virus like a wild fire. Its like me saying "Kul put your sunscreen on so I dont get burnt".

The unvaccinated are more likely to spread the virus than those who are and also are more likely to spread the virus than vaccinated people.

Also unvaccinated far more likely to require hospitalisation and utilisation of stretch medical resources. *That means for every avoidable unvaccinated hospitalised case you lose a bed for a vaccinated person who requires a hospital stay for any other medical emergency.*

Do you happen to read what you type before you post ?
I'd have to say you don't.
Otherwise you'd see what an obnoxious, self righteous, arrogant piece of dirt you sound like. Your last sentence should be a cause for shame, but you wouldn't see it.
I hope someone you love doesn't need a hospital bed that's taken up by an idiot that got vaccinated and thought he was above everyone else and went from crowded venue to crowded venue. And caught the virus, despite his vax status. And then spread the virus despite his vax status.
Then ended up in hospital denying your gravely ill mother a bed.
But it's OK, you can just tell her the bloke in the bed was fully vaccinated.

Fire up mate.

If you get vaccinated and you still get COVID, then you've basically done your utmost. Isolating is good as well, but we can't all live in huts with locked doors for the rest of our lives, and going about your ordinary business on a daily basis is a pretty reasonable lifestyle goal for most of us.

My brother in law caught COVID two weeks ago and he didn't do anything at all except go to work and attend one low-key Christmas party. He's fully vaxxed, he was ill for a day, he passed it to his wife, she's fully vaxxed and OK as well. My kid's school was closed two weeks early before Christmas because 4 kids got COVID from a soccer gala day. Omicron doesn't need people to spend all day in sweaty nightclubs or singing at the top of their lungs at 5 karaoke bars to spread. It does not require flamboyant or excessive behaviour.

Vaccination plus boosters offer very high protection against hospitalisation vs unvaccination. There's no debate on it. The hospitals are not currently being flooded with a overload of the vaccinated.

Being unvaccinated is a decision to avoid our main weapon in the fight against COVID. There's no better strategy than vaccination. If someone was to choose to be unvaccinated and avoid people forever, so be it, that's also an effective if unrealistic strategy.

And it means therefore, yes, something like 70-95% of unvaccinated COVID hospitalisations, depending on the vaccine and booster status, are potentially avoidable.

Avoidable hospitalisations are, unfortunately, the dumbest things we can do to ourselves as a society, and yes that also includes lifestyle comorbidities like smoking, obesity, unmanaged diabetes etc.

Don't need your life story.
The issue is your disgustingly obnoxious comment that I highlighted.
You spout 250 words about how the vaxxed are right, but conveniently disregard the point.
Amazing.
I hope you are working on the acceptance speech for the Nobel prize you seem to think is coming your way.

Nobel prize hey? You certainly are having a very dramatic reaction.
 
No, the drama is supplied by you. Generally when patting yourself on the back for getting a needle.
But still you are too self absorbed to address your disgusting comments.
 
@go_you_good_things said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520441) said:
No, the drama is supplied by you. Generally when patting yourself on the back for getting a needle.
But still you are too self absorbed to address your disgusting comments.

You need a thicker skin
 
@jirskyr said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520419) said:
@joelcainenumber1fan said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520296) said:
@supercoach said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520224) said:
Iam 100% behind getting vaxed and this is based on medical science.
I also don’t understand how people are against the vax, BUT I do agree everyone should have a choice.

What I do find strange is their are anti Vaxers who are willing to pop a pill at a party with no idea what the pill has in it, inject Botox into their bodies, take steroids and other substances to build up their muscles, eat products without having any idea what is in these foodstuffs and eat fast foods laced with chemical preservatives.

I remember when the wearing of seatbelts were made law, their was a out cry from a few and some people rejected the idea. Many years on I think 99% of people don’t even think about not putting a seat belt on.

Anyway everyone has a choice and it’s their choice

most aren't anti-vaxxed they are just about this one
i'm more worried about long term side-effects and the fact we are probley gonna be taking these for the rest of our lives
what does something like this do to people who are already healthy ??

This is not an attack at all - I'm just curious why people are worried about "long-term" side effects from this vaccine in particular?

I'm at somewhat of a disadvantage here because I work in drug development, so I have an unusually high exposure to the science and methodology of drug development (including vaccines).

Fundamentally vaccines work to provoke an immune response in people. So actually long-term adverse effects are very uncommon, because vaccines don't "hang around" in your body - they provoke a natural body response then they break down. Almost all the adverse effects observed from vaccines are rapidly presenting and short-lived. This is the reason they only ask you to hang around 15-30 mins after administration, because a very very large percentage of reactions are rapidly-presenting.

And the main adverse reactions to any vaccine are associated with jabbing people, and immune reactions to being jabbed. In other words, if you stick a needle in someone's arm, for any reason, there will be physical responses to the needle. There will be systemic body responses to provoking an immune response (fever, aches, headaches, low-level pain). After that there's really not much else to it, nor does the medical science predict there should be long-term issues from the vaccine (mRNA or any other vaccine).

People should consider it like they consider panadol - if you take one, you have a specific reaction to that one dose. If you take panadol every day for your life, then yes you may have long-term side effects because you are constantly re-dosing, constantly keeping the drug in your system. For vaccines, you aren't constantly keeping the vaccine in your system, you are provoking the immune system to respond to the pathogen and then remember that response.

The only reason we need boosters of any vaccine is because there are different levels to which the "average" immune system will remember its own response to a pathogen. Things like chicken pox typically stick for most of your life. Things like flu only last a year because flu mutates rapidly.

And that goes on to your second comment - are we going to be taking this for the rest of our lives? Maybe. The current boosters are only being administered because the vaccine effectiveness is proving to wane after 6-12 months, so you re-provoke the immune system to get it back up. You aren't doing anything particularly dangerous by getting a booster, particularly if you've already well managed the first two shots.

Will we need constant boosters? Well that depends on what COVID does in the future. If it keeps mutating like flu, then yes there will be ongoing boosters. Nobody seems to complain or worry that flu has an annual vaccine update for higher-risk populations. The difference however is that flu has been circulating in the population for thousands of years, so our species has a fairly robust long-term immune resistance to flu. COVID has been around for 5 minutes, so we have very very little natural immunity.

Your last question: "what does something like this do to people who are already healthy"? You mean what does the vaccine do? Just invokes your natural immune response. Getting it every year would do the same thing as the flu shot does - boost your immune system in anticipation of being exposed to flu, and if you are already healthy, then great your risk profile is even lower.

Thanks for the paragraphs
 
Apologies if this has been mentioned before but how is our depth this year considering most likely the top 25 players will be out with COVID this year (similar to the NHL, NFL, NBA)
 
@gnr4life said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520448) said:
@go_you_good_things said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520441) said:
No, the drama is supplied by you. Generally when patting yourself on the back for getting a needle.
But still you are too self absorbed to address your disgusting comments.

You need a thicker skin

Maybe I do.
But if I mention a particular skin colour, gender or sexual orientation . . . I will be accused of everything under the sun. Just for the mere mention.
So in conclusion, no I do not need a thicker skin.
It seems that we all should be at least humane in our comments.
 
@go_you_good_things said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520441) said:
No, the drama is supplied by you. Generally when patting yourself on the back for getting a needle.
But still you are too self absorbed to address your disgusting comments.

Wasn't he right though? Unvaxxed are grossly overrepresented in hospitalisations. What's the issue? You want to make your choices, more power to you. You don't get to control reality though, only your own perception of it which sounds like a you problem, not an us problem.
 
Nice, old man.
I suppose nobody in your family has ever taxed our hospital system by smoking, drinking, taking drugs, or by being eating too much Macca's for 20 years.
When you can give me proof that nobody in your extended family, for the past 25 years has not indulged in the reality of these "choices", then I guess you can talk.
Until then, our hospital system is being littered with a lot of your "you" problems.
I haven't been hospitalised from my choices, so it's not a me problem at all.
Funny how now that we have the noble vaccinated responsible for spreading the virus like wildfire, all of a sudden when you hear in the media about 5000 new cases, they casually forget to mention the 4650 that are vaccinated wildly spreading the virus at will.
4650 righteous, noble and gallant fully vaccinated virus super spreaders.. Not as bad as the 350 dirty unvaccinated, of course. The 4650 have a right to spread the virus. They are the vaxxed. They deserve hospital beds.
 
@cobarcats said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1519988) said:
Lukic I do get it mate but this is the Anti-Vaxers thread and you said a couple of things that triggered the debate. At least we've been respectful to each other hey.
More to your point..... The NRL has been forced to restrict the movements of its players in an attempt to avoid major disruptions to the NRL pre-season.
They've identified the likes of pubs, nighclubs and cinemas as a greater risk of spreading the virus and the need for people visiting their house to pass a rapid antigen test beforehand.
I seriously doubt whether we'll have a competion if something like this isn't enforced.
IMO it's an attempt to give clubs an uninterrupted preseason which is important because apart from getting the team together it's a rehearsal for season proper.
If down the track COVID was rampant through the NRL and the comp was cancelled, what would the reaction of the fans be if strict protocols were not in place?
They can't just sit on their hands and let problems snowball. They must protect the product.
I wish I was being paid 200k to do what players are having to go thru to play the game they love.
Cheers tigers.

I enjoy reading your posts @Cobarcats
You and @paul-wright are 2 of our most sensible and respectful posters atm.
 
@go_you_good_things said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520470) said:
Nice, old man.
I suppose nobody in your family has ever taxed our hospital system by smoking, drinking, taking drugs, or by being eating too much Macca's for 20 years.
When you can give me proof that nobody in your extended family, for the past 25 years has not indulged in the reality of these "choices", then I guess you can talk.
Until then, our hospital system is being littered with a lot of your "you" problems.
I haven't been hospitalised from my choices, so it's not a me problem at all.
Funny how now that we have the noble vaccinated responsible for spreading the virus like wildfire, all of a sudden when you hear in the media about 5000 new cases, they casually forget to mention the 4650 that are vaccinated wildly spreading the virus at will.
4650 righteous, noble and gallant fully vaccinated virus super spreaders.. Not as bad as the 350 dirty unvaccinated, of course. The 4650 have a right to spread the virus. They are the vaxxed. They deserve hospital beds.

This is straight dribble . There’s not an adult on this planet who hasn’t done something that’s put them on the expressway to the ER.
The only reason a bad choice didn’t put you there is good luck , or good fortune .
If you’ve had a bender , you played the same Russian roulette as the rest of us . So this whole argument is beyond condescending.

The issue is choice and the illusion of free will .
You believe ( WRONGLY) that you have choice and control of your life . But you have neither choice or control .
The moment you log onto your phone , the algorithms run to manipulate you into whatever decision and outcome you were always going to come to .
Prior to the internet , the world around you influenced you into making a series of choices that always lead you to make a particular choice or outcome .
You think that outcome is subject to change , but it’s not under any circumstance. You were always going to make that choice . And always going to come to that outcome .
Do you not see that your just a hamster on a wheel ?
We all are .
So with that all said , this fight for independence, is so misguided and straight delusional. If you truly want to control what is happening to your body , you’d go off grid , away from the rest of society , and any goods , devices ,
Pollutants that populate the earth .
If that’s not your plan , then drop the hypocrisy, and do the right thing by those around you and get the jab .
 
@go_you_good_things said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520441) said:
No, the drama is supplied by you. Generally when patting yourself on the back for getting a needle.
But still you are too self absorbed to address your disgusting comments.

cry me a river
 
@go_you_good_things said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520470) said:
Funny how now that we have the noble vaccinated responsible for spreading the virus like wildfire, all of a sudden when you hear in the media about 5000 new cases, they casually forget to mention the 4650 that are vaccinated wildly spreading the virus at will.
4650 righteous, noble and gallant fully vaccinated virus super spreaders… Not as bad as the 350 dirty unvaccinated, of course. The 4650 have a right to spread the virus. They are the vaxxed. They deserve hospital beds.

You've completely missed the point.

The virus is spreading itself, it's not the wilful neglect or misbehaviour of any one group that's causing transmission. People aren't injecting the virus, they are going about their regular lives. If we can't have weddings, go to the cafe, watch live music, send our kids to school... what's to become of society?

The *virus* is spreading like wildfire. The question is, what are you personally doing to help stop the spread of disease and stress on the health system? The biggest lever we can pull in this pandemic is vaccinations, but a few % of people refuse to take it because [REASONS]. That's the issue.

And everyone deserves a hospital bed. The problem is the unvax are currently 7x more likely to be in hospital for COVID and 17.5x more likely to need an ICU bed. Those numbers of unvax going to hospital are significantly reducible through vaccination. The hospital system was built and managed for the regular predictable health conditions, not for pandemics.

It's quite apt you mention the smokers, alcoholics, severely obese because there are comparisons to be made. Yes those people tax the health system... arguably not as acutely as COVID presentations, but financially and long-term, sure they do. And there are lots of programs and options for those people to try and help them develop healthier lifestyles. And you'd be a mug to think smokers, alcoholics and severely obese aren't subject to shaming as much as an anti-vaxxer might be, as if smoking hasn't been squeezed into the back corners of society and as if people don't shake their heads and pity the old pisshead who has had 30 middies by 2pm.

HOWEVER the alcoholic who has no remorse over his position, refuses top-line care, continues to wilfully keep themselves in the high-risk category despite all best medical advice and urgency... I think we can all agree that person rapidly loses sympathy, even though they still get a hospital bed if they need it.
 
@go_you_good_things said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520467) said:
But if I mention a particular skin colour, gender or sexual orientation

These are not choices.
 
@philgood said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520047) said:
@jirskyr said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520030) said:
@philgood said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1519896) said:
@jirskyr said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1519858) said:
@philgood said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1519814) said:
@geo said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1519807) said:
Here is the reaction to what some of the intellectually challenged have come out with in response to the NRL Covid restrictions….

Canberra Raiders and NSW Blues five-eighth Jack Wighton, “Thought I was getting the stupid vax so I didn't have to put up with this shit".

Josh Addo-Carr, "Unbelievable, got double vaxed for (nothing)"

Latrell Mitchell, “WTF?".

They are NRL players and not Rocket Scientists for a reason.

Yeah and the players make an excellent point. Using vaccination as the ONLY method of dealing with this pandemic is floored, idiotic, and the results are there for all to see. Been 2 years and we still going round in circles.

As it stands, there is no treatment for covid until your lungs are damaged and you cant breathe. You are then advised to go to hospital (ahh too late perhaps?).

A better way is giving EARLY medical care (which exist via many different forms of effective medicines - ivrmctn, hydroxychloroquin, even quercetin). This way people would stay out of hospital, we wouldnt have lockdowns, and we get on with life again

Not correct at all.

Nobody is using vaccination as the only method of dealing with pandemic.

And the word is "flawed".

Do u feel better now that you can spell?

What else we using to deal with the virus? Dont say social distancing, masks etc

Social distancing, masks etc.

Self isolation for positive cases and close contacts.
Critical access restrictions for hospitals, aged care, other vulnerable locations.
Previous restrictions on unvaccinated and ongoing restrictions on their travel.
Specialised COVID units within hospitals and rapid in-hospital testing to identify and isolate positive cases at admission.
Experienced COVID care response for positive serious cases including oxygen support, extra ventilators, antivirals, dex etc.
Free PCR tests for all suspected cases.

Imperfect but an advanced strategy compared to January 2020.

You previously advocated early-administration [censored] - you lose all credibility as soon as you say that.

edit: don't know why ivrmctn was censored, so here it is [sic]

Thanks for highlighting my point so succinctly. There is no treatment for covid until you have deteriorated enough, that you cannot breathe, and your lungs are damaged. Then you are asked to go to hospital to be put on a ventilator. Instead of treating Covid EARLY SO PEOPLE DO NOT NEED HOSPITALS! Thanks again.

You can’t treat it early … no matter what dribble you read.
If you could I would be taking it right now.
I’m sitting here suffering from Covid, not long after beating throat cancer, with a vastly depleted immune system.
If I had not had both jabs (was due for a booster next week) I imagine I’d be back in hospital fighting for my life again right now.
Instead I’m almost happy I have caught it … to help make my immunity to it even stronger.
 
If nothing else, at least the civility has returned to most. Not all, but you can't help that.
There will always be individual cases that give damning proof that one or the other side of the discussion is right, in those individual circumstances..
CK, I hope you return to good health soon. It's funny you mention "the dribble you read" . . . . the anti's will point to the continual changes and manipulation of stats to support their stance. And the pro's will continue to make fun of the "tin hat" brigade.
Anyway, we agree to disagree, but it's much more pleasant to discuss anything here with some degree of civility.
Maybe we should put as much effort into working out how we can become a better footy team !
 
@go_you_good_things said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520517) said:
There will always be individual cases that give damning proof that one or the other side of the discussion is right, in those individual circumstances…


Hogwash,the anti vaxers have no proof just endless speculation and misinformation.
 
@paul-wright said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520518) said:
@go_you_good_things said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520517) said:
There will always be individual cases that give damning proof that one or the other side of the discussion is right, in those individual circumstances…


Hogwash,the anti vaxers have no proof just endless speculation and misinformation.

Yep but it's actually worse than that and the anti-vaxxers on this forum have really shown me the light. They are playing a political game.

The misinformation is all political. Facts don't matter. They are playing a political game.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/blackfishing-alt-right-pushes-to-co-opt-aboriginal-tent-embassy-to-cause-20220105-p59lzj.html

This article shows how bad these people are. The absolute scum of society.
 
@go_you_good_things said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520470) said:
Nice, old man.
I suppose nobody in your family has ever taxed our hospital system by smoking, drinking, taking drugs, or by being eating too much Macca's for 20 years.
When you can give me proof that nobody in your extended family, for the past 25 years has not indulged in the reality of these "choices", then I guess you can talk.
Until then, our hospital system is being littered with a lot of your "you" problems.
I haven't been hospitalised from my choices, so it's not a me problem at all.
Funny how now that we have the noble vaccinated responsible for spreading the virus like wildfire, all of a sudden when you hear in the media about 5000 new cases, they casually forget to mention the 4650 that are vaccinated wildly spreading the virus at will.
4650 righteous, noble and gallant fully vaccinated virus super spreaders.. Not as bad as the 350 dirty unvaccinated, of course. The 4650 have a right to spread the virus. They are the vaxxed. They deserve hospital beds.

It's OK if people need hospital because of choices, including vaccination choices, the issue is that the system can't cope with the load at the moment. I hope they all recover and live long and happy lives.

The point of Vaccinations was to take pressure off the health system and reduce serious disease so we could move away from lockdowns. Nothing more, nothing less. The "you" problems has nothing to do with health, it has to so with perception of the issues. I won't repeat myself a third time as I know many anti-vax campaigners can't acknowledge this, because their whole platform for misinformation will evaporate.
 
@cktiger said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520495) said:
@philgood said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520047) said:
@jirskyr said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520030) said:
@philgood said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1519896) said:
@jirskyr said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1519858) said:
@philgood said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1519814) said:
@geo said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1519807) said:
Here is the reaction to what some of the intellectually challenged have come out with in response to the NRL Covid restrictions….

Canberra Raiders and NSW Blues five-eighth Jack Wighton, “Thought I was getting the stupid vax so I didn't have to put up with this shit".

Josh Addo-Carr, "Unbelievable, got double vaxed for (nothing)"

Latrell Mitchell, “WTF?".

They are NRL players and not Rocket Scientists for a reason.

Yeah and the players make an excellent point. Using vaccination as the ONLY method of dealing with this pandemic is floored, idiotic, and the results are there for all to see. Been 2 years and we still going round in circles.

As it stands, there is no treatment for covid until your lungs are damaged and you cant breathe. You are then advised to go to hospital (ahh too late perhaps?).

A better way is giving EARLY medical care (which exist via many different forms of effective medicines - ivrmctn, hydroxychloroquin, even quercetin). This way people would stay out of hospital, we wouldnt have lockdowns, and we get on with life again

Not correct at all.

Nobody is using vaccination as the only method of dealing with pandemic.

And the word is "flawed".

Do u feel better now that you can spell?

What else we using to deal with the virus? Dont say social distancing, masks etc

Social distancing, masks etc.

Self isolation for positive cases and close contacts.
Critical access restrictions for hospitals, aged care, other vulnerable locations.
Previous restrictions on unvaccinated and ongoing restrictions on their travel.
Specialised COVID units within hospitals and rapid in-hospital testing to identify and isolate positive cases at admission.
Experienced COVID care response for positive serious cases including oxygen support, extra ventilators, antivirals, dex etc.
Free PCR tests for all suspected cases.

Imperfect but an advanced strategy compared to January 2020.

You previously advocated early-administration [censored] - you lose all credibility as soon as you say that.

edit: don't know why ivrmctn was censored, so here it is [sic]

Thanks for highlighting my point so succinctly. There is no treatment for covid until you have deteriorated enough, that you cannot breathe, and your lungs are damaged. Then you are asked to go to hospital to be put on a ventilator. Instead of treating Covid EARLY SO PEOPLE DO NOT NEED HOSPITALS! Thanks again.

You can’t treat it early … no matter what dribble you read.
If you could I would be taking it right now.
I’m sitting here suffering from Covid, not long after beating throat cancer, with a vastly depleted immune system.
If I had not had both jabs (was due for a booster next week) I imagine I’d be back in hospital fighting for my life again right now.
Instead I’m almost happy I have caught it … to help make my immunity to it even stronger.

We sometimes butt heads on the odd topic, particularly Brooks, though as I wrote during the kerfuffle here a little while back, many of us know a little and more about each other in this forum community.

As such, wishing you a speedy recovery from it CK, especially considering your throat issue, of which I was previously unaware. Not good for a decent chunk of our community, though for most the Omicron strain is still a much better alternative than that of Delta, so good luck to all.
 
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