jirskyr
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@joelcainenumber1fan said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520296) said:@supercoach said in [NRL\. Anti\-Vaxers\.\.](/post/1520224) said:Iam 100% behind getting vaxed and this is based on medical science.
I also don’t understand how people are against the vax, BUT I do agree everyone should have a choice.
What I do find strange is their are anti Vaxers who are willing to pop a pill at a party with no idea what the pill has in it, inject Botox into their bodies, take steroids and other substances to build up their muscles, eat products without having any idea what is in these foodstuffs and eat fast foods laced with chemical preservatives.
I remember when the wearing of seatbelts were made law, their was a out cry from a few and some people rejected the idea. Many years on I think 99% of people don’t even think about not putting a seat belt on.
Anyway everyone has a choice and it’s their choice
most aren't anti-vaxxed they are just about this one
i'm more worried about long term side-effects and the fact we are probley gonna be taking these for the rest of our lives
what does something like this do to people who are already healthy ??
This is not an attack at all - I'm just curious why people are worried about "long-term" side effects from this vaccine in particular?
I'm at somewhat of a disadvantage here because I work in drug development, so I have an unusually high exposure to the science and methodology of drug development (including vaccines).
Fundamentally vaccines work to provoke an immune response in people. So actually long-term adverse effects are very uncommon, because vaccines don't "hang around" in your body - they provoke a natural body response then they break down. Almost all the adverse effects observed from vaccines are rapidly presenting and short-lived. This is the reason they only ask you to hang around 15-30 mins after administration, because a very very large percentage of reactions are rapidly-presenting.
And the main adverse reactions to any vaccine are associated with jabbing people, and immune reactions to being jabbed. In other words, if you stick a needle in someone's arm, for any reason, there will be physical responses to the needle. There will be systemic body responses to provoking an immune response (fever, aches, headaches, low-level pain). After that there's really not much else to it, nor does the medical science predict there should be long-term issues from the vaccine (mRNA or any other vaccine).
People should consider it like they consider panadol - if you take one, you have a specific reaction to that one dose. If you take panadol every day for your life, then yes you may have long-term side effects because you are constantly re-dosing, constantly keeping the drug in your system. For vaccines, you aren't constantly keeping the vaccine in your system, you are provoking the immune system to respond to the pathogen and then remember that response.
The only reason we need boosters of any vaccine is because there are different levels to which the "average" immune system will remember its own response to a pathogen. Things like chicken pox typically stick for most of your life. Things like flu only last a year because flu mutates rapidly.
And that goes on to your second comment - are we going to be taking this for the rest of our lives? Maybe. The current boosters are only being administered because the vaccine effectiveness is proving to wane after 6-12 months, so you re-provoke the immune system to get it back up. You aren't doing anything particularly dangerous by getting a booster, particularly if you've already well managed the first two shots.
Will we need constant boosters? Well that depends on what COVID does in the future. If it keeps mutating like flu, then yes there will be ongoing boosters. Nobody seems to complain or worry that flu has an annual vaccine update for higher-risk populations. The difference however is that flu has been circulating in the population for thousands of years, so our species has a fairly robust long-term immune resistance to flu. COVID has been around for 5 minutes, so we have very very little natural immunity.
Your last question: "what does something like this do to people who are already healthy"? You mean what does the vaccine do? Just invokes your natural immune response. Getting it every year would do the same thing as the flu shot does - boost your immune system in anticipation of being exposed to flu, and if you are already healthy, then great your risk profile is even lower.