Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

[Telltails]

This is all becoming very confusing. They say Justin Pascoe was the only one who knew about the deal yet it was well publicised when it was all happening - plenty of WTs supporters knew about it -without being privvy to figures - surely Marina Go knew about it too.
Greenburg probably didnt because he clearly doesnt give a rats about WTs.
I cant help but feel this has all been pre empted by someone just not sure who.

There's a difference between everyone knowing the general concept of broad offer and an individual knowing about the specific details of a written agreement.

Just doesnt make sense to me from the outside looking in
1.That it has blown up now.
2\. That no one else knew about it.
3\. If they didnt know why are they going to back him in contesting it?
Just trying to understand how one person can be held accountable for acting on behalf of an organisation and no one else knew about the details? Especially given the drama around the Farah exit.
What are we to believe that Pascoe reported back and said Ive handled it and you dont need to know the details?
Fine the club not the man.

 

[balmain boy]

This is all becoming very confusing. They say Justin Pascoe was the only one who knew about the deal yet it was well publicised when it was all happening - plenty of WTs supporters knew about it -without being privvy to figures - surely Marina Go knew about it too.
Greenburg probably didnt because he clearly doesnt give a rats about WTs.
I cant help but feel this has all been pre empted by someone just not sure who.

There's a difference between everyone knowing the general concept of broad offer and an individual knowing about the specific details of a written agreement.

Huge difference. We'll bring you back after you retire on a standard office salary is very different to a written contract signed by Justin and Robbie which states we'll hire you as an ambassador for 4 years from this date to that date, and pay you 150k a year.

 

[Tim Sheens]

like him or not, Farah was a destabilizing force in the club at the time. My God, do they not forget the drama at the time? The whole scenario tore the club into two camps. Being a leader off field post career isn't unreasonable. I'll never like the bloke, but I respect the fact that plenty do. So post career, and without the pressures of on field performance, salary cap space and so on, there's a strong argument that he may well fit the bill as an ambassador. Pascoe probably looked at things in a reasoned way as a good CEO would (unlike so many before him) and decided this path the correct one to take. If in fact the agreement wasn't lodged, therein lies the problem. If it even at all exists. He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy - or so it seems.

I don't like him either and agree with your other arguments, though am not blaming Robbie in any way at this point in relation to this week's revelations. That said, it is ridiculous for anyone to pretend that he was not a big player in the rubbish that played out during his previous contract and possibly, if not likely, before it was negotiated as well. Either way, the chances of coincidence have well passed, as unlike pretty well all players, the crap surrounding him is once again hitting the fan.

 

[sheer64]

It's great to stick by your club, but I can't help but feel a lot of us are looking at this through rose coloured glasses.

The fact that Pascoe never reported the proposed deal to the NRL, nor thought he needed to **is a blunder of epic proportions**.

Your average punter knows full well that these kind of deals are scrutinised heavily by the NRL.

If everything was legit and above board, why on earth wouldn't this have been reported, just to be on the safe side?

The fact that no deal was formally signed by Robbie and his manager would most likely have raised alarm bells.

If you're still not convinced, think about this.

- This situation never would have eventuated if Pascoe showed a bit of leadership and wasn't sacking and then bringing back players based on the whims of C rate coaches.

- The alleged post career deal would have been a massive wildcard for Robbie's manager. One leak to the NRL was all it took to end Pascoe's career with us.

Do you really want someone so naive heading up our club? I know I don't.

As an average punter I thought it would of been encouraged to offer jobs to retired or retiring players as part of the bigger NRL family. But Knob Greenberg is staking his reputation and job on the fact Farah re signed with us on a lower salary based on a job offer after he retires.

And how are things Backdoor?

 

[avocadoontoast]

This is all becoming very confusing. They say Justin Pascoe was the only one who knew about the deal yet it was well publicised when it was all happening - plenty of WTs supporters knew about it -without being privvy to figures - surely Marina Go knew about it too.
Greenburg probably didnt because he clearly doesnt give a rats about WTs.
I cant help but feel this has all been pre empted by someone just not sure who.

There's a difference between everyone knowing the general concept of broad offer and an individual knowing about the specific details of a written agreement.

That's the way I see it too….I think there might be a bit more to this than meets the eye.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

It's great to stick by your club, but I can't help but feel a lot of us are looking at this through rose coloured glasses.

The fact that Pascoe never reported the proposed deal to the NRL, nor thought he needed to **is a blunder of epic proportions**.

Your average punter knows full well that these kind of deals are scrutinised heavily by the NRL.

If everything was legit and above board, why on earth wouldn't this have been reported, just to be on the safe side?

The fact that no deal was formally signed by Robbie and his manager would most likely have raised alarm bells.

If you're still not convinced, think about this.

- This situation never would have eventuated if Pascoe showed a bit of leadership and wasn't sacking and then bringing back players based on the whims of C rate coaches.

- The alleged post career deal would have been a massive wildcard for Robbie's manager. One leak to the NRL was all it took to end Pascoe's career with us.

Do you really want someone so naive heading up our club? I know I don't.

harsh but fair

 

[Yossarian]

This is all becoming very confusing. They say Justin Pascoe was the only one who knew about the deal yet it was well publicised when it was all happening - plenty of WTs supporters knew about it -without being privvy to figures - surely Marina Go knew about it too.
Greenburg probably didnt because he clearly doesnt give a rats about WTs.
I cant help but feel this has all been pre empted by someone just not sure who.

There's a difference between everyone knowing the general concept of broad offer and an individual knowing about the specific details of a written agreement.

Just doesnt make sense to me from the outside looking in
1.That it has blown up now.
2\. That no one else knew about it.
3\. If they didnt know why are they going to back him in contesting it?
Just trying to understand how one person can be held accountable for acting on behalf of an organisation and no one else knew about the details? Especially given the drama around the Farah exit.
What are we to believe that Pascoe reported back and said Ive handled it and you dont need to know the details?
Fine the club not the man.

It's been under scrutiny/investigation for some time now. It's emerged publicly but it's been ongoing for a while.

The specific allegation is that Pascoe entered into the specific written offer without informing anyone. Most importantly he didn't inform the NRL.

The third point I don't know. I don't know how it gels with point 2 either. As I've said I don't know who is right, just what is claimed. I'm guessing at some point he informed the board.

 

[Telltails]

This is all becoming very confusing. They say Justin Pascoe was the only one who knew about the deal yet it was well publicised when it was all happening - plenty of WTs supporters knew about it -without being privvy to figures - surely Marina Go knew about it too.
Greenburg probably didnt because he clearly doesnt give a rats about WTs.
I cant help but feel this has all been pre empted by someone just not sure who.

There's a difference between everyone knowing the general concept of broad offer and an individual knowing about the specific details of a written agreement.

That's the way I see it too….I think there might be a bit more to this than meets the eye.

So what organisation allows one person to sign off on contracts - if one exists - without having another authorised signatory or approval?

If it is the case - that is way too much power for one individual and leaves you open to the situation we are in now. And why would they back him for costing the club financially and for the deception.
Certainly if nothing else it requires some evaluation about the how the club does business.

 

[Lauren]

We should get on the front foot with this Iike the sharks did. Robbie and Go in front of a camera declaring their support for justin.

Agree that someone needs to front the media but this scenario is the last thing the club needs.

Yes most of us are supporting Justin but we still don't have all the facts. I'd hate if something was to be said, that could come back and bite us. Ditto with Farah.
I wish people would stop saying that he needs to make a public announcement over the contract. It will only look stupid as Greenberg has already addressed Farah. Add the public's perception of him as a walking meme and this would only look amateurish on our behalf.

I'd be content with Marina (with any other official) informing us on where they are with everything at the moment. Though I usually only want to hear some type of reassurance for us fans in these pressers, I would love to see more of a message aimed at Toad and the NRL. I'm sick to death of seeing them using teams like us as punching bags, when they continue to cover up a multitude of sins from other clubs.

 

[Chris]

I've been thinking about this for a while and knowing that the deal transpired in 2016, why is the NRL dealing with it now???

The only answer I can come up with is a pretty hypothetical one but the stench of the penalty that was handed down really has me thinking this is all a set up.

Im probably wrong in thinking this and I wont mention names but I have a feeling that a certain NRL CEO was chatting with a certain GM of Football at club level and he said "Mr Bee Sting Eyes, I've got some major problems, can you give me some advice?" Mr Bee Sting Eyes asks, "What's your problem?" That certain NRL CEO replied with, "I have NRL players bashing and raping women, coaches are making the game look stupid because they're not honoring contracts and the Sharks are always in the spot light. What can I do to deflect all this negative press and show the NRL in a positive light?"

"Well." Said MR Bee Sting Eyes. "I just hired a certain first grade coach and he tells me that a Prima Donna who plays for our neighbors, a team he use to coach and read prepared statements for, may have taken a job with his club illegally. You should go in there, bust them and show them how smart the NRL are. This will also deflect the attention from the animals who bash and rape women and those cheating Sharks."

"Mr Bee Sting Eyes, you are so smart!"

Like i said, I dont think this happened but the get square theory for making them look like amateurs during our previous coach's release negotiations is something I just cant look past right now.

 

[WT2K]

It's great to stick by your club, but I can't help but feel a lot of us are looking at this through rose coloured glasses.

The fact that Pascoe never reported the proposed deal to the NRL, nor thought he needed to **is a blunder of epic proportions**.

Your average punter knows full well that these kind of deals are scrutinised heavily by the NRL.

If everything was legit and above board, why on earth wouldn't this have been reported, just to be on the safe side?

The fact that no deal was formally signed by Robbie and his manager would most likely have raised alarm bells.

If you're still not convinced, think about this.

- This situation never would have eventuated if Pascoe showed a bit of leadership and wasn't sacking and then bringing back players based on the whims of C rate coaches.

- The alleged post career deal would have been a massive wildcard for Robbie's manager. One leak to the NRL was all it took to end Pascoe's career with us.

Do you really want someone so naive heading up our club? I know I don't.

Good post, Silentio

 

[greatodensraven]

Just read the last 10 pages to catch up.

Im just going to say this, i really dont care if people agree with me or want to take me task for it. Ive been saying the league is corrupt for a long time now.

Who has Justin Pascoe upset lately?

Imo Ivan Cleary and or Phil Gould are up to their necks in this.

This is what you get when you take on the inner circle of the game. We admired Pascoe for showing some ticker and being the strong leader we have wanted but this over the top punishment is their way of putting him in his place. He would have been better off letting Cleary walk.

I need to add a disclaimer because some on here just look for angles to have a go at people about, never mind this being one of the most serious moments in our history. The disclaimer is that i do not in any way think that Justin Pascoe is completely innocent here. Simply that the punishment and the over the top nature of it is pay back for him taking on Gould.

Gould has called in a favour.

That had crossed my mind as well.

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[Pawsandclaws]

It's great to stick by your club, but I can't help but feel a lot of us are looking at this through rose coloured glasses.

The fact that Pascoe never reported the proposed deal to the NRL, nor thought he needed to **is a blunder of epic proportions**.

Your average punter knows full well that these kind of deals are scrutinised heavily by the NRL.

If everything was legit and above board, why on earth wouldn't this have been reported, just to be on the safe side?

The fact that no deal was formally signed by Robbie and his manager would most likely have raised alarm bells.

If you're still not convinced, think about this.

- This situation never would have eventuated if Pascoe showed a bit of leadership and wasn't sacking and then bringing back players based on the whims of C rate coaches.

- The alleged post career deal would have been a massive wildcard for Robbie's manager. One leak to the NRL was all it took to end Pascoe's career with us.

Do you really want someone so naive heading up our club? I know I don't.

Good post, Silentio

From what is available in the press, the Club's proposed legal action concerns the smear on Pascoe's integrity. To me if anything the actions of the club suggests a mistake not an attempt to get around the salary cap. Your reference to legit seems to me to suggest deception. I can't agree with this at all.

 

[Gazman]

Someone mentioned on the support Justin topic that we send NRL an item of clothing as a protest. Why don't we post them a West Tigers cap and also a sombrero , with comments that we have more scrutiny on our "caps" but there appears nowhere near the scrutiny on clubs that wear theirs as a sombrero, especially those with ex high profile players also in Ambassador roles.

 

[Telltails]

Just read the last 10 pages to catch up.

Im just going to say this, i really dont care if people agree with me or want to take me task for it. Ive been saying the league is corrupt for a long time now.

Who has Justin Pascoe upset lately?

Imo Ivan Cleary and or Phil Gould are up to their necks in this.

This is what you get when you take on the inner circle of the game. We admired Pascoe for showing some ticker and being the strong leader we have wanted but this over the top punishment is their way of putting him in his place. He would have been better off letting Cleary walk.

I need to add a disclaimer because some on here just look for angles to have a go at people about, never mind this being one of the most serious moments in our history. The disclaimer is that i do not in any way think that Justin Pascoe is completely innocent here. Simply that the punishment and the over the top nature of it is pay back for him taking on Gould.

Gould has called in a favour.

That had crossed my mind as well.

x 3

It certainly appears that the NRL went looking for something based on information that wasnt volunteered.
You would think that would be from an external source given the current climate at the club. Conspiracy??? Maybe.

 

[Blaze]

Makes you wonder, when all that crap with Farah, and Taylor was going on, and Farah’s manager was sitting in the background saying that he had info on the tigers that could be very bad for them…... seems like that grub let it all happen to have one over the club and now it’s come out...

 

[Mccarry]

Just a reminder that any posts containing swearing - disguised or otherwise will be deleted. Same applies for offensive posts.

Willow!! Come on mate. I’m crying on the inside

 

[tigerbalm]

Wests should be happy that they didn't retrospectively strip them of the premierships they had during the period of being over the cap.

 

[Geo]

Did we win…?

 

[Fade_To_Black]

If you don't cheat you don't get punishment.

Sorry to say it but we cheated.

IF our club has cheated, fair enough we need to cop our punishment. But, a big but, is why the double standards by the NRL? Cameron Smith, Billy Slater and Greg Inglis all cheated by signing multiple contracts that were unquestionably designed to rort the salary cap- those 3 players would certainly have known that (as would their respective managers) yet were any of them deregistered or sacked by the NRL? Smith gets SOO and Australian captaincy, a gift testimonial game that would of earned him huge $$$$$ and is talked up as being a future Immortal of the NRL. Where is the justice in that? Ditto for the 2 other germs, both played Origin and Test footy AFTER their blatent cheating, earning mega $$$$ as a result of being allowed to play rep footy.
The inequality of punishments handed out for cheating are extraordinary and disgusting.