Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

[Spud_Murphy]

Eels bugger all punishment? They were only stripped of all their points

Also $1mill fine, nines title and prizemoney stripped and 5 director's deregistered.
But the NRL are picking on us.

When did this happen? I must've been asleep at the time cause I honestly don't remember it 😱pen_mouth:

 

[The_Patriot]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/farah-breaks-silence-on-cap-scandal-i-am-ready-to-walk-away-20181220-p50njk.html?fbclid=IwAR3qP4x66B6ALmjzdMibQ3WHCC49rETdXXgZw_bZQvKDYZHdMrXKmuvwU9c

Paul Gallen has been all over the media for the Sharks. Finally someone has spoken for us. This is some true leadership from Farah. Strongly but carefully worded statement.

I

 

[Tiger_Steve]

https://mobile.twitter.com/telegraph_sport/status/1075680036076740608

Noble but probably coordinated and carefully thought through by Tigers

That’d be a nice change of pace.

Point taken

Yoss I don’t know how close you are to Tigers inner workings (and I’m not asking) but you seem to know more than the average punter. Can I ask you: most people, me included, seem to think our current management/governance is pretty good but I detect some sinicism from you. Is our management as good as we think???

 

[Telltails]

Eels bugger all punishment? They were only stripped of all their points

Also $1mill fine, nines title and prizemoney stripped and 5 director's deregistered.
But the NRL are picking on us.

When did this happen? I must've been asleep at the time cause I honestly don't remember it 😱pen_mouth:

2016 - lost 12 competition points and nearly made the eight. Brad Arthur did a great job with them under the circumstances.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Eels bugger all punishment? They were only stripped of all their points

Also $1mill fine, nines title and prizemoney stripped and 5 director's deregistered.
But the NRL are picking on us.

When did this happen? I must've been asleep at the time cause I honestly don't remember it 😱pen_mouth:

2016 - lost 12 competition points and nearly made the eight. Brad Arthur did a great job with them under the circumstances.

Oh yeah I remember now! Geez it was only 2 years ago, I'm a bit concerned about my memory now ?

 

[innsaneink]

Well if we/ Pascoe did any of this to cheat and gain some advantage - which is usually why people cheat - we cant even do that right, because all that debacle did was cost us money with no reward.

The thing is, if we did it succesfully before, we'd never know.
Its only when it unravels do we find out…so, maybe weve done it right - before.
who knows?

 

[sheer64]

Go has got to sue the NRL, they do not have a leg to stand on and have defamed our CEO and the Wests Tigers brand. The key here is what Farah will testify in court under oath, the NRL can only prove the contract was not registered with them, they can not prove salary cap cheating. Greenberg has dug himself an early grave.

 

[Bones]

So according to Farah the contract hasn’t even been signed? How can you be penalised for a contract that isn’t even legally binding because it isn’t signed?

 

[Telltails]

Well if we/ Pascoe did any of this to cheat and gain some advantage - which is usually why people cheat - we cant even do that right, because all that debacle did was cost us money with no reward.

The thing is, if we did it succesfully before, we'd never know.
Its only when it unravels do we find out…so, maybe weve done it right - before.
who knows?

Possibly, right. After this week nothing is beyond the realms of possibility.

 

[851]

Makes you wonder, when all that crap with Farah, and Taylor was going on, and Farah’s manager was sitting in the background saying that he had info on the tigers that could be very bad for them…... seems like that grub let it all happen to have one over the club and now it’s come out...

And what does Ayoub gain by doing that?

People are just posting up rubbish based on old wounds.

The facts of the case don't lead to Farah or Ayoub. Pretty simple

If Farah acted like an adult and took his removal like a man we wouldn't be in this mess.
He dug in his heels and this deal was probably an act of desperation by Pascoe to just get Farah out.
I've never seen a player so sensitive and demanding. It's embarrassing how that transpired.
Even Sterlo said on one of his shows that it's hard to watch a grown man act this way when a club wants to move you on.
He never grew up, it explains why he isn't married or has a family by now.

If we have to move players on, he would be first out the door.

And here comes the Farah haters.

My god stick to the facts of the issue and discuss it like an adult please.

If you cant do than its not really Farah who has never grown up is it.

I have said this many times, it is Jason Taylor's fault, he wasn't a good enough coach or people manager to coach the team, so his ego got the better of him like so many times before, and he kept pushing to Farah was moved on. If he just coached the team like he was supposed to none of this would have occurred. :angry:

 

[Newtown]

Go has got to sue the NRL, they do not have a leg to stand on and have defamed our CEO and the Wests Tigers brand. The key here is what Farah will testify in court under oath, the NRL can only prove the contract was not registered with them, they can not prove salary cap cheating. Greenberg has dug himself an early grave.

Very interesting information from Farah today. Beginning to become optimistic there will be a much improved outcome.

 

[swag_tiger]

Has anyone else signed the Facebook petition to get Greenburg sacked?

 

[WT2K]

Haven't seen it myself but have read elsewhere that brydens lawyers were on the news voicing their support for Wests Tigers and Justin Pascoe.

 

[Seantice]

Go has got to sue the NRL, they do not have a leg to stand on and have defamed our CEO and the Wests Tigers brand. The key here is what Farah will testify in court under oath, the NRL can only prove the contract was not registered with them, they can not prove salary cap cheating. Greenberg has dug himself an early grave.

Very interesting information from Farah today. Beginning to become optimistic there will be a much improved outcome.

Been saying it all along. I think we will still get fined. Maybe 250-500k. But I cannot see how pur salary cap will be effected if the contract hasn't been accepted. What happens if Farah comes out and asks for the contract to not be registered? The NRL will not be able to take any salty cap space of us because we never used any of it..

Hope this happens. Stick it up Greenburg would be my Chrissy present.

 

[steve-o]

I tried to send an email to NRL via NRL.com but when I hit submit their website kept giving me an error… so I sent this to the Tigers and asked them to pass it on instead. It's a bit long winded and perhaps some parts are over-the-top, but I felt I needed to give the NRL my 2 cents...

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Dear Mr Greenberg,

I’m reaching out to express my disappointment in the sanctions handed down to the Wests Tigers this week relating to an ambassador role that was offered to Robbie Farah by Tigers management. My disappointment stems around a few key points:

1\. The fact the role was supposedly undisclosed, and yet was public knowledge at the time, having been reported on by various news outlets
2\. The heavy handed punishment handed down, specifically what seems an excessive fine, and the standing down of CEO Justin Pascoe who has acted with the utmost professionalism throughout a number of trying times during his tenure at Wests Tigers
3\. The announcement of this punishment at the same time as the announcement relating to the Sharks, which paints both clubs with the same brush - equating the integrity of Pascoe with that of Shane Flanagan is especially unfair on Pascoe
4\. The excessive nature of these punishments when compared to the silence and inaction over alleged violence and harassment of women that is rampant throughout the game, particularly this offseason.
5\. The timing of the announcement only a few days before Christmas, gives the Tigers little opportunity to defend the image and integrity of the club
6\. The punishment relative to other salary cap scandals - Pascoe is being treated as the equivalent of Brian Waldron, whilst we still haven’t heard anything about the alleged issues at Manly and Cronulla. When there was suspicious activities going on at the Broncos a few years ago, the investigation went silent under the explanation that Andrew Gee wouldn’t make himself available for interview; it seems like there are double standards as to the treatment of different clubs.
7\. The lack of transparency surrounding ambassador roles for ex players at other clubs. For example, was Darren Lockyer paid market value during his final years at the Broncos? There were reports at that time that he was on $250k per year, and now he sits on the Broncos board. Justin Hodges and Corey Parker both work for Fox Sports, a company half owned by the owner of the Broncos - were these roles included in the Broncos salary cap?

I love the game of rugby league but am finding myself more and more disenfranchised with the game due to decisions such as this. I know that I am not alone in this respect. AFL is making inroads in Sydney, and international sports such as NFL and NBA are becoming increasing popular in Australia. What are we doing to make rugby league the greatest game of all?

Kind Regards,
Steve

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Mate, if we cheated we deserve to be punished. The anger and emotion is all about bias. Only an idiot could not see that cap and third party rorting is rampant across the NRL, especially by the currently successful clubs. Why is serious, consistent and detailed investigation of these clubs not apparent. Why?
I’ve followed this game for 50 years and I want the management of the game to be free of bias and supportive of all teams - not just the chosen few!!

I agree with a lot of that Steve but there seems to be a lot on here that think we're innocent or have just made a mistake.
Or they want to blame Ayoub, Farah, Gould, Cleary or Taylor.
But the bottom line is and my original point is we cheated, no one else.

You certainly seem to be going hard against us. You keep saying we cheated but there's zero evidence we've cheated at this point. The NRL says we've breached the cap but it's a stretch to say we've cheated unless you are in possession of facts the rest of us are not. Cheating is a deliberate and purposeful act - where's your evidence we committed a deliberate and purposeful act? I think it's 100% correct that we've breached cap rules but the question is how did the breach arise. Was it a reporting oversight, a failure to understand the rules or deliberate flouting of the rules (e.g Storm, Parramatta, Canterbury)? The point most on the forum are trying to make is that the punishment has to fit the crime.

Where's my facts? That's such a stupid question .
The NRL has the facts and handed down a punishment. Where's your facts to disprove their findings?
If this was any other team you'd be calling them cheats.

Yep, i’m a bit over the victim mentality here. I get that it sucks, but for the NRL to have the termerity to punish our club, can you believe the nerve. Then there’s a belief that all the boycots, petitions and emails actually mean something. Every supporter base revolts when their club is in trouble. Parra’s did 2 years ago when they were hit much harder than us. Even the Sharks and Melbourne did. The NRL didn’t care. And they won’t care this time either.

 

[Furious1]

I agree with a lot of that Steve but there seems to be a lot on here that think we're innocent or have just made a mistake.
Or they want to blame Ayoub, Farah, Gould, Cleary or Taylor.
But the bottom line is and my original point is we cheated, no one else.

You certainly seem to be going hard against us. You keep saying we cheated but there's zero evidence we've cheated at this point. The NRL says we've breached the cap but it's a stretch to say we've cheated unless you are in possession of facts the rest of us are not. Cheating is a deliberate and purposeful act - where's your evidence we committed a deliberate and purposeful act? I think it's 100% correct that we've breached cap rules but the question is how did the breach arise. Was it a reporting oversight, a failure to understand the rules or deliberate flouting of the rules (e.g Storm, Parramatta, Canterbury)? The point most on the forum are trying to make is that the punishment has to fit the crime.

Where's my facts? That's such a stupid question .
The NRL has the facts and handed down a punishment. Where's your facts to disprove their findings?
If this was any other team you'd be calling them cheats.

Yep, i’m a bit over the victim mentality here. I get that it sucks, but for the NRL to have the termerity to punish our club, can you believe the nerve. Then there’s a belief that all the boycots, petitions and emails actually mean something. Every supporter base revolts when their club is in trouble. Parra’s did 2 years ago when they were hit much harder than us. Even the Sharks and Melbourne did. The NRL didn’t care. And they won’t care this time either.

Theres nothing wrong with passion. The difference here is you are comparing our club with clubs who systematically cheated the cap or system (peptides etc). I understand where you are coming from, but peoples emotions are running high and if you're over it, then you best give this topic a wide berth for a couple of days.

 

[Furious1]

Pascoe was set to celebrate historic $5 million overhaul when walked by NRL
Nick Walshaw, The Daily Telegraph
December 20, 2018 6:56pm
Subscriber only
Comment: NRL salary cap must be cleaned up

Tigers face big-name player cull after Farah bungle
Wests Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe was set to be celebrated as the first club boss in 20 years to turn a profit for the joint-venture club — the result of a staggering $5 million overhaul in his three seasons in charge.

On the morning Pascoe was marched off Tigers premises indefinitely by the NRL, auditors were going through the final checks on what is foreshadowed to be a $300,000 profit for 2018.

Given the club was showing a deficit of almost $5 million when Pascoe arrived in late 2015, the result represents a staggering turnaround in his three years overseeing what has traditionally been a battling NRL outfit.
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Wests Tigers NRL CEO Justin Pascoe lead the club to a profit for the first time. Picture: AAP

The Daily Telegraph understands front office staff were actually planning to celebrate Pascoe as the first CEO to turn such a profit since the club’s establishment when he was sensationally walked by NRL CEO Todd Greenberg on Wednesday.

The figure, which also represents a $2.7 million improvement on the 2017 season, is part of the reason why Tigers chair Marino Go and her board are now fighting so hard to clear the beleaguered chief executive’s name.

MORE NRL NEWS…

TROUBLE: What the NRL will do if Cronulla collapses

Apart from reviving the Wests Tigers brand — which at one point seemed destined for relocation — club officials will argue Pascoe was simply naive to cap stipulations when he failed to declare a $639,000 ambassadorial role for Robbie Farah in 2016.

At a Wednesday press conference, Greenberg said the CEO had breached salary cap rules because: “When a player leaves your club, you have to declare and disclose the entire remuneration.

“On this occasion, a significant portion was not disclosed to the salary cap auditor.”
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Wests Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe at the announcement of Michael Maguire joining the club. Picture: Brett Costello
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On social media however, Tigers fans have also rallied around the suspended chief executive who not only brought favourite sons Farah and Benji Marshall home to finish their careers, but also secured 2014 NRL premiership coach Michael Maguire when Ivan Cleary walked.

In his three years since shifting from the Penrith Panthers, Pascoe has also doubled membership and overhauled what is now an award-winning community imprint boasting 65 programs.

Since the start of 2016, Wests Tigers have increased memberships from 9000 to 20,000.

In 2017, the NRL also awarded the club a gong for Community Program of the Year.

Yet at 8am Wednesday morning, Pascoe was told of his impending deregistration, after he and Go attended NRL HQ.
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Robbie Farah in action for the Tigers. Picture: Getty

It was there Greenberg dropped a range of sanctions against the club, which also included a $750,000 fine and a further $639,000 — or the entire Farah offer — added to their 2019 cap.

Pascoe has since been ordered by the NRL to stay away from the club’s Concord base, while Tigers staff are barred from calling their boss.

It is understood Pascoe is now meeting off site with the club’s legal team as part of planning his defence.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Pascoe was set to celebrate historic $5 million overhaul when walked by NRL
Nick Walshaw, The Daily Telegraph
December 20, 2018 6:56pm
Subscriber only
Comment: NRL salary cap must be cleaned up

Tigers face big-name player cull after Farah bungle
Wests Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe was set to be celebrated as the first club boss in 20 years to turn a profit for the joint-venture club — the result of a staggering $5 million overhaul in his three seasons in charge.

On the morning Pascoe was marched off Tigers premises indefinitely by the NRL, auditors were going through the final checks on what is foreshadowed to be a $300,000 profit for 2018.

Given the club was showing a deficit of almost $5 million when Pascoe arrived in late 2015, the result represents a staggering turnaround in his three years overseeing what has traditionally been a battling NRL outfit.
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Wests Tigers NRL CEO Justin Pascoe lead the club to a profit for the first time. Picture: AAP

The Daily Telegraph understands front office staff were actually planning to celebrate Pascoe as the first CEO to turn such a profit since the club’s establishment when he was sensationally walked by NRL CEO Todd Greenberg on Wednesday.

The figure, which also represents a $2.7 million improvement on the 2017 season, is part of the reason why Tigers chair Marino Go and her board are now fighting so hard to clear the beleaguered chief executive’s name.

MORE NRL NEWS…

TROUBLE: What the NRL will do if Cronulla collapses

Apart from reviving the Wests Tigers brand — which at one point seemed destined for relocation — club officials will argue Pascoe was simply naive to cap stipulations when he failed to declare a $639,000 ambassadorial role for Robbie Farah in 2016.

At a Wednesday press conference, Greenberg said the CEO had breached salary cap rules because: “When a player leaves your club, you have to declare and disclose the entire remuneration.

“On this occasion, a significant portion was not disclosed to the salary cap auditor.”
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Wests Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe at the announcement of Michael Maguire joining the club. Picture: Brett Costello
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On social media however, Tigers fans have also rallied around the suspended chief executive who not only brought favourite sons Farah and Benji Marshall home to finish their careers, but also secured 2014 NRL premiership coach Michael Maguire when Ivan Cleary walked.

In his three years since shifting from the Penrith Panthers, Pascoe has also doubled membership and overhauled what is now an award-winning community imprint boasting 65 programs.

Since the start of 2016, Wests Tigers have increased memberships from 9000 to 20,000.

In 2017, the NRL also awarded the club a gong for Community Program of the Year.

Yet at 8am Wednesday morning, Pascoe was told of his impending deregistration, after he and Go attended NRL HQ.
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Robbie Farah in action for the Tigers. Picture: Getty

It was there Greenberg dropped a range of sanctions against the club, which also included a $750,000 fine and a further $639,000 — or the entire Farah offer — added to their 2019 cap.

Pascoe has since been ordered by the NRL to stay away from the club’s Concord base, while Tigers staff are barred from calling their boss.

It is understood Pascoe is now meeting off site with the club’s legal team as part of planning his defence.

I can understand why Gould wouldn't be happy with that.

 

[cochise]

Was it? I didn't see that reported anywhere. I know the NRL said it was difficult to locate but that's a bit different to being hidden offsite.

Was said by Greenburg in response to a question by Danny Weilder