Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

[Tiger_Steve]

Not that I want to move on but is there any word on who is running the show now Pascoe has been forced to vacate his office???

 

[Tiger_Steve]

https://mobile.twitter.com/telegraph_sport/status/1075680036076740608

Noble but probably coordinated and carefully thought through by Tigers

 

[The_Patriot]

Not that I want to move on but is there any word on who is running the show now Pascoe has been forced to vacate his office???

More so how does he mount a defence, how does he communicate with his board and work his and the clubs next step if he is not allowed to do his job.

Next minute theyll turn around and hit him with the Flanagan charge for acting like a CEO when he's not supposed to be a CEO

 

[prattenparkchild]

https://mobile.twitter.com/telegraph_sport/status/1075680036076740608

Why dont we reverse their logic and jam it up the NRL. 'The NRL and their pedantics force WT, NSW Blues and Australian League legend Robbie Farah to retire immediately and not take up any form of ambassador role, or any association with the WT club.'

 

[innsaneink]

https://mobile.twitter.com/telegraph_sport/status/1075680036076740608

Thanks.
Cya!

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Not that I want to move on but is there any word on who is running the show now Pascoe has been forced to vacate his office???

More so how does he mount a defence, how does he communicate with his board and work his and the clubs next step if he is not allowed to do his job.

Next minute theyll turn around and hit him with the Flanagan charge for acting like a CEO when he's not supposed to be a CEO

My understanding is he’s been found guilty so must vacate the position (at least until an appeal). Am I wrong? If he is no longer our CEO, who is?

 

[gallagher]

https://mobile.twitter.com/telegraph_sport/status/1075680036076740608

Noble but probably coordinated and carefully thought through by Tigers

Would it make a change to things other than next years salary cap ?

 

[gallagher]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/farah-breaks-silence-on-cap-scandal-i-am-ready-to-walk-away-20181220-p50njk.html
Pascoe could be back in 9 months.

 

[The_Patriot]

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/teams/tigers/robbie-farah-prepared-to-retire-as-he-defends-wests-tigers-integrity/news-story/7650b46f308ca64df6c114c4623dff5a?fbclid=IwAR39vJwm1QtzH1ocUa8xBk84rRX69OKVH0QN8sGDmcY0ZwchCOncJLNREig

 

[coivtny]

I hope a fool like you is ready to post a retraction after the appeal.

And on what basis can YOU unequivocally state that this decision by the NRL won't be overturned.

"The club does not know if he is going to take it up and Robbie has not indicated his intention in return".

So unless you take that statement from the club at face value you're obviously implying the club has lied to the NRL and also to its sponsors and members.

You will accept we cheated if the punishment does not get over overturned?

Mate, if we cheated we deserve to be punished. The anger and emotion is all about bias. Only an idiot could not see that cap and third party rorting is rampant across the NRL, especially by the currently successful clubs. Why is serious, consistent and detailed investigation of these clubs not apparent. Why?
I’ve followed this game for 50 years and I want the management of the game to be free of bias and supportive of all teams - not just the chosen few!!

I agree with a lot of that Steve but there seems to be a lot on here that think we're innocent or have just made a mistake.
Or they want to blame Ayoub, Farah, Gould, Cleary or Taylor.
But the bottom line is and my original point is we cheated, no one else.

You certainly seem to be going hard against us. You keep saying we cheated but there's zero evidence we've cheated at this point. The NRL says we've breached the cap but it's a stretch to say we've cheated unless you are in possession of facts the rest of us are not. Cheating is a deliberate and purposeful act - where's your evidence we committed a deliberate and purposeful act? I think it's 100% correct that we've breached cap rules but the question is how did the breach arise. Was it a reporting oversight, a failure to understand the rules or deliberate flouting of the rules (e.g Storm, Parramatta, Canterbury)? The point most on the forum are trying to make is that the punishment has to fit the crime.

 

[gallagher]

You will accept we cheated if the punishment does not get over overturned?

Mate, if we cheated we deserve to be punished. The anger and emotion is all about bias. Only an idiot could not see that cap and third party rorting is rampant across the NRL, especially by the currently successful clubs. Why is serious, consistent and detailed investigation of these clubs not apparent. Why?
I’ve followed this game for 50 years and I want the management of the game to be free of bias and supportive of all teams - not just the chosen few!!

I agree with a lot of that Steve but there seems to be a lot on here that think we're innocent or have just made a mistake.
Or they want to blame Ayoub, Farah, Gould, Cleary or Taylor.
But the bottom line is and my original point is we cheated, no one else.

You certainly seem to be going hard against us. You keep saying we cheated but there's zero evidence we've cheated at this point. The NRL says we've breached the cap but it's a stretch to say we've cheated unless you are in possession of facts the rest of us are not. Cheating is a deliberate and purposeful act - where's your evidence we committed a deliberate and purposeful act? I think it's 100% correct that we've breached cap rules but the question is how did the breach arise. Was it a reporting oversight, a failure to understand the rules or deliberate flouting of the rules (e.g Storm, Parramatta, Canterbury)? The point most on the forum are trying to make is that the punishment has to fit the crime.

Where's my facts? That's such a stupid question .
The NRL has the facts and handed down a punishment. Where's your facts to disprove their findings?
If this was any other team you'd be calling them cheats.

 

[cochise]

You will accept we cheated if the punishment does not get over overturned?

Mate, if we cheated we deserve to be punished. The anger and emotion is all about bias. Only an idiot could not see that cap and third party rorting is rampant across the NRL, especially by the currently successful clubs. Why is serious, consistent and detailed investigation of these clubs not apparent. Why?
I’ve followed this game for 50 years and I want the management of the game to be free of bias and supportive of all teams - not just the chosen few!!

I agree with a lot of that Steve but there seems to be a lot on here that think we're innocent or have just made a mistake.
Or they want to blame Ayoub, Farah, Gould, Cleary or Taylor.
But the bottom line is and my original point is we cheated, no one else.

You certainly seem to be going hard against us. You keep saying we cheated but there's zero evidence we've cheated at this point. The NRL says we've breached the cap but it's a stretch to say we've cheated unless you are in possession of facts the rest of us are not. Cheating is a deliberate and purposeful act - where's your evidence we committed a deliberate and purposeful act? I think it's 100% correct that we've breached cap rules but the question is how did the breach arise. Was it a reporting oversight, a failure to understand the rules or deliberate flouting of the rules (e.g Storm, Parramatta, Canterbury)? The point most on the forum are trying to make is that the punishment has to fit the crime.

The contract was hidden offsite? What was the club trying to hide?

 

[Yossarian]

https://mobile.twitter.com/telegraph_sport/status/1075680036076740608

Noble but probably coordinated and carefully thought through by Tigers

That’d be a nice change of pace.

 

[coivtny]

Mate, if we cheated we deserve to be punished. The anger and emotion is all about bias. Only an idiot could not see that cap and third party rorting is rampant across the NRL, especially by the currently successful clubs. Why is serious, consistent and detailed investigation of these clubs not apparent. Why?
I’ve followed this game for 50 years and I want the management of the game to be free of bias and supportive of all teams - not just the chosen few!!

I agree with a lot of that Steve but there seems to be a lot on here that think we're innocent or have just made a mistake.
Or they want to blame Ayoub, Farah, Gould, Cleary or Taylor.
But the bottom line is and my original point is we cheated, no one else.

You certainly seem to be going hard against us. You keep saying we cheated but there's zero evidence we've cheated at this point. The NRL says we've breached the cap but it's a stretch to say we've cheated unless you are in possession of facts the rest of us are not. Cheating is a deliberate and purposeful act - where's your evidence we committed a deliberate and purposeful act? I think it's 100% correct that we've breached cap rules but the question is how did the breach arise. Was it a reporting oversight, a failure to understand the rules or deliberate flouting of the rules (e.g Storm, Parramatta, Canterbury)? The point most on the forum are trying to make is that the punishment has to fit the crime.

Where's my facts? That's such a stupid question .
The NRL has the facts and handed down a punishment. Where's your facts to disprove their findings?
If this was any other team you'd be calling them cheats.

No pal, you define stupidity. The NRL has not called it cheating, it's a breach of the cap. You called them cheats. There';s a difference but clearly you're too dense to see it.

 

[coivtny]

Was it? I didn't see that reported anywhere. I know the NRL said it was difficult to locate but that's a bit different to being hidden offsite.

 

[Swordy]

If you don't cheat you don't get punishment.

Sorry to say it but we cheated.

I hope a fool like you is ready to post a retraction after the appeal.

And on what basis can YOU unequivocally state that this decision by the NRL won't be overturned.

"The club does not know if he is going to take it up and Robbie has not indicated his intention in return".

So unless you take that statement from the club at face value you're obviously implying the club has lied to the NRL and also to its sponsors and members.

You will accept we cheated if the punishment does not get over overturned?

Mate, if we cheated we deserve to be punished. The anger and emotion is all about bias. Only an idiot could not see that cap and third party rorting is rampant across the NRL, especially by the currently successful clubs. Why is serious, consistent and detailed investigation of these clubs not apparent. Why?
I’ve followed this game for 50 years and I want the management of the game to be free of bias and supportive of all teams - not just the chosen few!!

Spot on Tiger Steve, as always.

 

[gallagher]

Was it? I didn't see that reported anywhere. I know the NRL said it was difficult to locate but that's a bit different to being hidden offsite.

Seen it reported in a couple of articles. Hiding a contract offsite sounds like cheating to me. But im stupid aren't I.

 

[coivtny]

Was it? I didn't see that reported anywhere. I know the NRL said it was difficult to locate but that's a bit different to being hidden offsite.

Seen it reported in a couple of articles. Hiding a contract offsite sounds like cheating to me. But im stupid aren't I.

Yep.

 

[Telltails]

Well if we/ Pascoe did any of this to cheat and gain some advantage - which is usually why people cheat - we cant even do that right, because all that debacle did was cost us money with no reward.

 

[Tigerdon]

From the SMh.
Wests Tigers hooker Robbie Farah has vowed to walk away from rugby league before any of his teammates are squeezed out because of the massive salary cap penalty handed to the club this week as a result of his post-career ambassador role.

The Tigers are still coming to terms with the heavy reprimand handed to them by the NRL on Wednesday for failing to disclose the deal worth $639,000.

'Goodwill gesture': An undisclosed ambassador deal for Robbie Farah has landed the Tigers in hot water.
'Goodwill gesture': An undisclosed ambassador deal for Robbie Farah has landed the Tigers in hot water.CREDIT:AAP
Not only has chief executive Justin Pascoe been deregistered, the club has been fined $750,000 and, most significantly, the value of the Farah deal has been scrubbed off next season’s salary cap.

Right on cue, Farah’s detractors placed the blame squarely on his shoulders, despite the NRL making it clear that he and his manager, Sam Ayoub, have done nothing wrong.
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“It’s hurtful, mate,” Farah said. “I don’t know why I’ve been dragged into it. I am at a point now where I am thinking about walking away. I don’t want to play. Things were going good. I was in a good headspace back at the club. But now it’s another drama. Robbie’s caused all the drama again …”

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Farah received a phone call earlier this month from the NRL integrity unit, who wanted to interview him about the ambassador agreement Pascoe first promised in 2015.

Pascoe says it was offered as a “goodwill gesture” to Farah, who had an ugly fallout with then-coach Jason Taylor. Farah was eventually pushed out and he signed with South Sydney before making a stunning return in the black and gold midway through this year.

Farah hasn’t been paid a cent from the deal and, with his growing VIP sports travel business Two4Seven starting to take off, might not want it.

Either way, he’s “gobsmacked” about the sanctions that have been slapped on Pascoe and his club.

“I feel sorry for Justin,” Farah said. “He’s a good man and he’s turned the club around. Myself and him, we went through some tough times when the drama unfolded with the old coach [Taylor]. But I’ve never questioned his integrity. For him to be deregistered through all this is just absurd. When this was first discussed, he just wanted to mend how I had been treated. It was a show of goodwill. He’d seen how I’d been disrespected and thought this was just the right thing to do for me post-footy.

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Double blow: Justin Pascoe has been deregistered.CREDIT:AAP
“I don’t understand the enormity of the fines because it was public knowledge. You’d written about it [the ambassador role]. A million journos had written about it. I’d spoken about it in the media. It wasn’t something that we’d tried to hide.

“It had absolutely nothing to do with my old playing contract, or my current playing contract in coming back to the Tigers. I got my contract paid out in full when I left to go to the Rabbitohs. There were no deferred payments or anything like that. It’s not like they [the Tigers] tried to hide it.

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“It’s something that I might not even take up. I haven’t been paid a cent. I have business interests outside of footy so it might not even come to fruition. What happens then? The club has been penalised for something that doesn’t even exist. I’m gobsmacked. And I’m hurt. I’m hurt by the perception of it. It doesn’t matter what I think, I know I’ve done nothing wrong. But my name is being dragged through the mud for no reason.”

What piqued the NRL’s suspicion about the deal was that Pascoe applied for salary cap relief after Farah signed with Souths on the basis that Farah was a “disruptive influence” on the club.

The NRL first introduced that provision to compensate clubs who had to push out perennial bad boys to other clubs. It wasn’t for clubs to offset payouts for players like Farah who had fallen out with a coach who was ultimately sacked.

“That hurts, too, though,” Farah admitted. “It’s not nice to hear that and, in my opinion, I wasn’t the disruptive influence. The ex-coach was. I know why the club did it: they wanted the biggest discount they could get. It was about saving dollars because they had to pay me out more than a million dollars. But it’s not nice to hear.”