Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

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All well and good if you think clubs are better off rorting, however you can't call some clubs maggots for doing it while patting others on the back.

Where did I state any cheats should be patted on the back? Your'e making stuff up to suit your POV.
Clubs who rort ARE better off. Check the premiership winners of every one of the last 14 or so seasons, their had been more than a strong whiff of rorting- including a few that have been caught cheating in their premiership winning season. WT were even caught over the cap in '06 or thereabouts and fined IIRC. Clubs that rort win premierships, going back to 2004 there is more than enough evidence to suggest this unless your head is buried in the sand or another orifice. Storm, Sharks, Roosters, Manly titles in particular are very iffy at best. Throw in NQ with their "free houses" incentive. South's with Rusty and his brown paper Gucci bags, Dragons and their "Gasnier is happy to play for a packet of chips and a Pepsi" contract, and the Broncos "thoroughbreds bonuses".
Good-guy clubs playing by the rules finish at the arse end of the comp. Its pretty simple really.

**Well sadly there are some on here that will expect you to submit spreadsheets in triplicate before making comments like that**. I however back you 100%. Look at the roster of 2018 premiers as exhibit A. As for NRL sticking their heads up each other’s butts - they found Sharks rorted the cap either side of their premiership but amazingly were compliant in the year they won the Comp. what a load of Greenturd!!

Damn straight when they are based on conspiracy theories

You in all honesty are willing to believe that the Roosters won the premiership last year, with that roster, by absolutely 100% by-the-rules dealings? If so it may be worthwhile for someone better with numbers than me to go through how their salary cap was magically worked out.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Where did I state any cheats should be patted on the back? Your'e making stuff up to suit your POV.
Clubs who rort ARE better off. Check the premiership winners of every one of the last 14 or so seasons, their had been more than a strong whiff of rorting- including a few that have been caught cheating in their premiership winning season. WT were even caught over the cap in '06 or thereabouts and fined IIRC. Clubs that rort win premierships, going back to 2004 there is more than enough evidence to suggest this unless your head is buried in the sand or another orifice. Storm, Sharks, Roosters, Manly titles in particular are very iffy at best. Throw in NQ with their "free houses" incentive. South's with Rusty and his brown paper Gucci bags, Dragons and their "Gasnier is happy to play for a packet of chips and a Pepsi" contract, and the Broncos "thoroughbreds bonuses".
Good-guy clubs playing by the rules finish at the arse end of the comp. Its pretty simple really.

**Well sadly there are some on here that will expect you to submit spreadsheets in triplicate before making comments like that**. I however back you 100%. Look at the roster of 2018 premiers as exhibit A. As for NRL sticking their heads up each other’s butts - they found Sharks rorted the cap either side of their premiership but amazingly were compliant in the year they won the Comp. what a load of Greenturd!!

Damn straight when they are based on conspiracy theories

You in all honesty are willing to believe that the Roosters won the premiership last year, with that roster, by absolutely 100% by-the-rules dealings? If so it may be worthwhile for someone better with numbers than me to go through how their salary cap was magically worked out.

They’re smarter with their books than we could ever dream of being. The bitterness that everyone has about that is amusing. Don’t get bitter, get better.

 

[Telltails]

It doesn’t excuse us from doing the wrong thing - it does bring up the question of equality across the board. Imagine NRL deregistering Politis - Bahahahahaha!!! Never happen!

We have not been punished anywhere near as harshly as the past clubs that breached the cap.

A big difference in clubs rorting the cap repeatedly with paying players with brown paper bags to retain them and sign new ones to gain advantage in the competition to us trying to resolve a TPA issue to move Farah on and mop up the mess created by an inept coach.
Yes it looks like we breached the rules and we should cop a fine but dont pretend that we are being treated fairly in terms of the penalty.

I'll ask the same as I was asked, you have proof of these brown paper bags?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/81959160/parramatta-eels-salary-cap-crisis-will-hopoate-allegedly-took-secret-payments

Cant compare what Parra did to our breach based on what they did our club would be kicked out of the competition if we had been caught doing the same, under Greenburgs lets get tough stance. This is a one off screw up that was publicly discussed - and we lose our CEO and get whacked with a ridiculous financial penalty.
As I said happy to cop a penalty - but cant cop the NRL playing tough guy now just because they choose to.

 

[Geo]

They could strip us of our 9th 15th and 9th place finishes..

 

[happy_tiger]

They could strip us of our 9th 15th and 9th place finishes..

Will we have to play in the nude in 2019 ??

 

[JD Tiger]

**Well sadly there are some on here that will expect you to submit spreadsheets in triplicate before making comments like that**. I however back you 100%. Look at the roster of 2018 premiers as exhibit A. As for NRL sticking their heads up each other’s butts - they found Sharks rorted the cap either side of their premiership but amazingly were compliant in the year they won the Comp. what a load of Greenturd!!

Damn straight when they are based on conspiracy theories

You in all honesty are willing to believe that the Roosters won the premiership last year, with that roster, by absolutely 100% by-the-rules dealings? If so it may be worthwhile for someone better with numbers than me to go through how their salary cap was magically worked out.

They’re smarter with their books than we could ever dream of being. The bitterness that everyone has about that is amusing. Don’t get bitter, get better.

Yeah they're smarter with their books. As in, they don't write down in their books how they are cheating and doing the back-handed deals.

Do you really believe they aren't cheating their butts off? Maybe my social circle is a bit small, but every person I know who follows football believes Roosters are cheating, and that includes one who is a Roosters supporter. I've never met Todd Greenburg in person, but even he would know how crooked they are. He just doesn't want to go after them because he'd be doing himself out of a job, so he'll never admit that about them.

 

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**Well sadly there are some on here that will expect you to submit spreadsheets in triplicate before making comments like that**. I however back you 100%. Look at the roster of 2018 premiers as exhibit A. As for NRL sticking their heads up each other’s butts - they found Sharks rorted the cap either side of their premiership but amazingly were compliant in the year they won the Comp. what a load of Greenturd!!

Damn straight when they are based on conspiracy theories

You in all honesty are willing to believe that the Roosters won the premiership last year, with that roster, by absolutely 100% by-the-rules dealings? If so it may be worthwhile for someone better with numbers than me to go through how their salary cap was magically worked out.

They’re smarter with their books than we could ever dream of being. The bitterness that everyone has about that is amusing. Don’t get bitter, get better.

We need to learn how to cheat better. Only way we will be able to compete on a somewhat level footing with Roosters, Broncos, Storm, Sharks, dare say Penrith too.
Some clubs are allowed a bit more leeway than others when it comes to "contorting" the rules unfortunately though.
Cheat smart is the way to go in this day and age.

 

[innsaneink]

I guess the other big question is will they get an interim CEO if Pascoe can't beat the charge or will someone like Kelly Egan step up for the short
term ??

My biggest fear is Pascoe walks off into the sunset and joins another sport

Well….we saw that with one of our best refs...same sport different country, Checchin.
Funny the NRL seem to have a habit of pushing out those that dont toe the line

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

We have not been punished anywhere near as harshly as the past clubs that breached the cap.

A big difference in clubs rorting the cap repeatedly with paying players with brown paper bags to retain them and sign new ones to gain advantage in the competition to us trying to resolve a TPA issue to move Farah on and mop up the mess created by an inept coach.
Yes it looks like we breached the rules and we should cop a fine but dont pretend that we are being treated fairly in terms of the penalty.

I'll ask the same as I was asked, you have proof of these brown paper bags?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/81959160/parramatta-eels-salary-cap-crisis-will-hopoate-allegedly-took-secret-payments

Cant compare what Parra did to our breach based on what they did our club would be kicked out of the competition if we had been caught doing the same, under Greenburgs lets get tough stance. This is a one off screw up that was publicly discussed - and we lose our CEO and get whacked with a ridiculous financial penalty.
As I said happy to cop a penalty - but cant cop the NRL playing tough guy now just because they choose to.

Haha obeid junior helpt sandow financially as a friend

 

[TheDaBoss]

They could strip us of our 9th 15th and 9th place finishes..

Will we have to play in the nude in 2019 ??

A sight for sore eyes

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Pascoe's deregistration should have been made effective after the appeal. If the NRL are giving the club an opportunity to lodge an appeal you'd think all penalties imposed would be suspended until after the appeal is heard and if not successful.

 

[cochise]

All well and good, but if you get caught breaking the rules then you get punished, guess what? we were caught breaking the rules. The excuse of "everybody else is doing it!" is not good enough.

It doesn’t excuse us from doing the wrong thing - it does bring up the question of equality across the board. Imagine NRL deregistering Politis - Bahahahahaha!!! Never happen!

We have not been punished anywhere near as harshly as the past clubs that breached the cap.

I think you need to change your name - the real Cochise fought for his people no matter what the odds or who was in the right.

Yes but his cause was a bit more significant than his football team being fined.

 

[gallagher]

Pascoe's deregistration should have been made effective after the appeal. If the NRL are giving the club an opportunity to lodge an appeal you'd think all penalties imposed would be suspended until after the appeal is heard and if not successful.

Is that actually true? Ive heard it said here a few times but all I can find online is that pascoe isn't allowed to act in a official capacity until the appeal period is finished. I can't find it reported that he can't talk to the club.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/wests-tigers-ceo-justin-pascoe-has-been-deregistered-by-the-nrl-for-an-alleged-salary-cap-breach/news-story/cc33b485ef5eac2bcd9e6bfbc18ff644

 

[cochise]

Posted this in the Who do we offload?thread over a week ago, to highlight the severity of the punishment. There's no way people can say the overall penalties handed down aren't harsh.

Yes it might be a bit of a relief knowing we have the option to request the club be allowed to spread out the cap penalty, however it’s still pretty harsh given the circumstances.
If you look at the most notable cap breaches in NRL history we’ve been penalised $300k less than Melb were but over $300k more than Parra. The club whose sanction with the closest similarities to ours is Manly - 2 club officials banned- yet their fine was still $600k less than ours.
So if you consider why we’ve been sanctioned in comparison to those 3 teams, I feel we’ve been very hard done by.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rugby_League_salary_cap
Melbourne season 2010
The Melbourne Storm salary cap breach was a gross breach of salary cap over a period of five years. The NRL's discovery of these breaches in 2010 resulted in the Storm being fined a record $1.689 million, stripped of the 2007 and 2009 premierships, the 2006, 2007 and 2009 minor premierships and the 2010 World Club Challenge, and ordering them to play for zero points, effectively sentencing them to finish the 2010 NRL season (of which 75% was still to be played) with the wooden spoon.
Paramatta Eels season 2016
Main article: Parramatta Eels salary cap breach
The Parramatta Eels were fined $1 million and stripped of their 2016 NRL Auckland Nines title after they were found to be over the salary cap by over $500,000\. They were also stripped of the 12 competition points they had earned so far. They were not allowed to earn any further points until they fell back under the cap.
Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles season 2018
In 2018, Manly were fined $750,000 and two of the club's officials received 12 month bans after The NRL found that they had breached the salary cap over the previous five seasons. The breaches involve 15 players over five years, totalling $1.5 million. Unlike Parramatta and other teams who have breached the salary cap, Manly did not receive any competition points deduction.

I think Manly got of very lightly but the other 2 lost competition points and the Storm lost Premierships, we have been punished nowhere near as harshly as those 2 teams.

You are correct - "we have been punished nowhere near as harshly as those 2 teams" - however….

What you are are confused with is the level of the crime.

Severity chart: If Melbourne, Parramatta etc, are gulity of murder, Manly guilty of manslaughter.....

Then at worst we are guilty of holding up a 4711 with a plastic spoon.

However you think we should be punished at the same level.... you are way off the mark and I am certainly glad you are not running our justice system.

I never said we should be punushed at the same level and we haven't been. I do believe we have copped a penalty at the higher end of the scale, but if that is the new norm moving forward I can probably deal with that.

 

[Plato]

The Obeid family controls politicians, councils, unions, probably also judges, and anyone else they need to manipulate in order to gain an advantage. Information and insider trading is a nice little earner for them, and they don't hand out money without expecting favours in return. Sports betting is big business now, and a missed field goal, a foot on the sideline, markers not square, or whatever, at the appropriate time can make a big difference to the family coffers. I'm not saying they control the NRL, just that they could, and payments to players is just the tip of the iceberg.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/inside-the-world-of-eddie-the-kingmaker-20130803-2r66z.html

 

[gallagher]

The Obeid family controls politicians, councils, unions, probably also judges, and anyone else they need to manipulate in order to gain an advantage. Information and insider trading is a nice little earner for them, and they don't hand out money without expecting favours in return. Sports betting is big business now, and a missed field goal, a foot on the sideline, markers not square, or whatever, at the appropriate time can make a big difference to the family coffers. I'm not saying they control the NRL, just that they could, and payments to players is just the tip of the iceberg.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/inside-the-world-of-eddie-the-kingmaker-20130803-2r66z.html

Didn't we have a chairman that was a great friend of the Obeids? Maybe we've been rorting for years.

 

[Plato]

This one:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/obeid-link-to-tigers-under-the-spotlight-20130106-2cb6k.html

 

[Russell]

Posted this in the Who do we offload?thread over a week ago, to highlight the severity of the punishment. There's no way people can say the overall penalties handed down aren't harsh.

I think Manly got of very lightly but the other 2 lost competition points and the Storm lost Premierships, we have been punished nowhere near as harshly as those 2 teams.

You are correct - "we have been punished nowhere near as harshly as those 2 teams" - however….

What you are are confused with is the level of the crime.

Severity chart: If Melbourne, Parramatta etc, are gulity of murder, Manly guilty of manslaughter.....

Then at worst we are guilty of holding up a 4711 with a plastic spoon.

However you think we should be punished at the same level.... you are way off the mark and I am certainly glad you are not running our justice system.

I never said we should be punushed at the same level and we haven't been. I do believe we have copped a penalty at the higher end of the scale, but if that is the new norm moving forward I can probably deal with that.

I can't - let them get tough with someone else.

Punishment should fit the crime - even if they want to get tough, it is still excessive to the extreme.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Pascoe's deregistration should have been made effective after the appeal. If the NRL are giving the club an opportunity to lodge an appeal you'd think all penalties imposed would be suspended until after the appeal is heard and if not successful.

Is that actually true? Ive heard it said here a few times but all I can find online is that pascoe isn't allowed to act in a official capacity until the appeal period is finished. I can't find it reported that he can't talk to the club.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/wests-tigers-ceo-justin-pascoe-has-been-deregistered-by-the-nrl-for-an-alleged-salary-cap-breach/news-story/cc33b485ef5eac2bcd9e6bfbc18ff644

I thought I read somewhere that he was not allowed to be in contact. I could be wrong or extrapolating from what you have stated.

 

[cochise]

I think Manly got of very lightly but the other 2 lost competition points and the Storm lost Premierships, we have been punished nowhere near as harshly as those 2 teams.

You are correct - "we have been punished nowhere near as harshly as those 2 teams" - however….

What you are are confused with is the level of the crime.

Severity chart: If Melbourne, Parramatta etc, are gulity of murder, Manly guilty of manslaughter.....

Then at worst we are guilty of holding up a 4711 with a plastic spoon.

However you think we should be punished at the same level.... you are way off the mark and I am certainly glad you are not running our justice system.

I never said we should be punushed at the same level and we haven't been. I do believe we have copped a penalty at the higher end of the scale, but if that is the new norm moving forward I can probably deal with that.

I can't - let them get tough with someone else.

Punishment should fit the crime - even if they want to get tough, it is still excessive to the extreme.

I agree its excessive if we made a mistake, if we knowingly cheated than it is about right.