Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

[earl]

I'm probably wrong but didn't our request for reduction due to farahs bad behaviour get refused by NRL?

Thats irrelevant

Re-read Yoss's post, Its completely relevant to his argument, and its false. WE did not receive the cut .

If we didn't receive an exemption was the money to Robbie included in our cap. If it was included in our cap then we shouldn't be charged twice. If it wasn't included in the cap we are going to cop it and it appears fairly so.

Robbie hasn't exactly been the easiest star player to have in your team has he ?

 

[southerntiger]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

Farah being owed money can be interpreted two ways. It could be that he was owed money to which he was contractually entitled and presumably had already been included in our cap in previous years and was not paid. If this was the case, then on your version of events we simply came to an agreement as to when this would be paid and this agreement is irrelevant to the cap given the amount was already included.

The other alternative is that Farah claimed he had been promised additional money in some future contract to get him to sign for a lesser deal for an earlier contract and this was to compensate him in relation to such a claim. Now I recall there were murmurs of such a problem with Benji but I do not recall this with Farah as the last deal he signed was always going to be his last deal with the club. However, I accept if this Is what occurred, then it is a problem.

The above being said, both of the above are wholly inconsistent with what the club has claimed. The club has stated there was no connection between the ambassador deal and any playing contract. They have stated that Pascoe offered the deal to effectively re-build bridges between Farah and the club.

Another problem is the above versions are inconsistent with the statements made by the NRL. Weekes stated that the NRL couldn’t understand why the deal was offered. It seems to me that even the NRL didn’t see a connection to any playing contract.

 

[Newtown]

When can we expect an outcome on Wests Tigers appeal?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Funny that all of the clubs that have been done for anything to do with cap breaches, all made a lot of noise about being innocent, yet all were buried beneath a pile of facts,
Why would be any difference with us,
The NRL seem to not make accusations without hard evidence,
To kick Pascoe out like they’ve done they must have something pretty solid to back their charges up

The NRL better have solid evidence against our CEO as this is not just a case brought against a club in general this attack has basically ruined a career and personally trashed his reputation as I have eluded to previously this is a very serious situation and I would think this will not be taken lightly by Justin Pascoe .I have a feeling the NRL might have over reacted with the attack on our CEO ..IMO the longer this goes on with no evidence brought forward into the public arena the more serious this will become , legal types keep things tight for a reason .

That’s what I was referring to
They must have a pretty strong case to even consider doing what they’ve done
While we all want to think that they are idiots, they have been pretty thorough in all the cases that they’ve made public in the past.
I don’t want to lose that amount of cap money,
But I have a feeling that that they have much more Ammunition yet to bring forward..

They wouldn’t have came down so hard if they didnt think that Pascoe was a goner .
I t could be a while before we know what’s been happening

Can't say the NRL were very thorough when it came to the Broncos…....."oh Andrew Gee has suddenly gone deaf mute, obviously nothing to worry about here then let's drop it". That was weak as pee.
When it suits them they can be very thorough :brick:

Different situation, something about the fact that Gee wasn’t registered with the NRL and they couldn’t force him to give evidence.
It resulted in a change of regulations about people in Gees position,
I’m not sure of the details, but that loophole has been changed

 

[Yossarian]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. **At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”.** When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

Are you confirming that we did receive this exemption. All other reports indicate we were denied?

It makes a big difference to the overall intention and how we will be viewed by others in this case.

Requesting an exemption… I don’t think we actually got the relief. The point is we were saying he had to be punted and at the same time offering him an ambassador job,

 

[Geo]

Cheaters never prosper..said no one ever..over at Bondi..

 

[Yossarian]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

Farah being owed money can be interpreted two ways. It could be that he was owed money to which he was contractually entitled and presumably had already been included in our cap in previous years and was not paid. If this was the case, then on your version of events we simply came to an agreement as to when this would be paid and this agreement is irrelevant to the cap given the amount was already included.

The other alternative is that Farah claimed he had been promised additional money in some future contract to get him to sign for a lesser deal for an earlier contract and this was to compensate him in relation to such a claim. Now I recall there were murmurs of such a problem with Benji but I do not recall this with Farah as the last deal he signed was always going to be his last deal with the club. However, I accept if this Is what occurred, then it is a problem.

The above being said, both of the above are wholly inconsistent with what the club has claimed. The club has stated there was no connection between the ambassador deal and any playing contract. They have stated that Pascoe offered the deal to effectively re-build bridges between Farah and the club.

Another problem is the above versions are inconsistent with the statements made by the NRL. Weekes stated that the NRL couldn’t understand why the deal was offered. It seems to me that even the NRL didn’t see a connection to any playing contract.

You can’t guarantee TPA money. So if you’re say contracted for another year and are owed 500k for either contract or non-playing stuff and your employer is desperate for you to go it strengthens your position.

Farah was owed money and JT was so desperate to shed him that some decisions were made that have comeback to bite us.

 

[Yossarian]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

I thought Pascoe was against back ended deals

This is the ultimate back ended deal , post back ended deal in fact

Everyone was so keen to offload Farah that they lost sense of reason. The whole thing is complicated- you need flow charts and diagrams!

 

[Yossarian]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

I don't know know if you could say this is 100 percent correct.

Wasn't farah back ended deal/money owed built on the end of his contract. He was on massive money the back end of his contract. To say he was owed additional money on top of that would be ridiculous on tigers end. Farah said that his contract was paid in full.

I'm saying the ambassador role had nothing to do with his playing contract.

You have to remember the circumstances and farah was threatening legal action for his demotion to state cup. Who knows maybe that had legal grounds and the ambassador role was a way of compensating that.

Also I see no issue with the exemption. training with the squad and an off field ambassador role are separate and independent of each other in terms of team harmony.

Pascoe backed his coach which created team disharmony and a media circus at the time. Farah coming back to a corporate role years later will have nothing to do with the squad at that time.

It’s guaranteed future income to a contracted player. If St George offered say Luke Lewis 400k a year for one year and then a 500k job for the following 5 years to greet VIPs on game day we’d complain about the rort. And I’m not saying the RF situation is a rort but the concept is similar. If clubs were free to offer offfield roles to players it would be chaos.

If the WT said to RF - Robbie we love you and when you’re retired we’d love you to stay on in an off field role. Of course we can’t talk money or specifics but you’re a one club player so we want you to stay on.

Rather than - Look you’ve got to go. I know you’re owed money but we’ll feed it back to you after you retire.

We’d be alright.

 

[JD Tiger]

As I understand it, Farah was on $750k a year contract from 2014 to 2017\. In one of the earlier years (for reasons in hindsight of stupidity) with Robbie agreeing we only paid him $550k and would pay him the extra $200k in a later year. This was why he was contracted for $950k in 2017, with Souths paying him $200k, and us paying the other $750k. He was paid the money owing to him.

Yes I see that offering him a job for after his career in which he is guaranteed a payment then, signed by the club, and not by the player, looks incredibly dodgy. But I still proclaim that there was no benefit to the club and this was clearly not an attempt to bypass the cap.

In 2016 when he was going to Souths next year, when this post-career contract was allegedly offered, we had nothing to gain as Robbie was being paid every cent we owed him anyway. When luring him back (Cleary thanks for that), I haven't heard any suggestions that we are underpaying him?? We signed him as a back-up hooker, predominantly from Reserve Grade. Wouldn't we have to be underpaying him for this to be a scam??

How about, worst case scenario, we sue Cleary for re-signing him? Saying it was Cleary who intended to break the cap… :smiley:

 

[Yossarian]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

I was told something along the lines of he took a paycut on a previous contract on the promise this would be made up later. Is this the owed money you are referring to? If it is that kinda completes the info I was told but wasn't sure how this fitted in.

Yeah I’m not 100% sure on how/why it was owed, just that it was owed and this was the mechanism to solve it without taking a massive cap hit.

 

[balmain boy]

If Robbie had any professionalism we wouldn't be in this mess.
If Ayoub wasn't a dirty cheating grub that hates our club we wouldn't be in this mess. I certainly hope of any punishments stick that Ayoub gets deregistered too, for asking a club to intentionally cheat the cap!

The fact remains there was no intent to cheat. No benefit gained. Just an administrative oversight caused by by an unscrupulous agent and a naive CEO trying to make the best of an awful situation

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

Farah being owed money can be interpreted two ways. It could be that he was owed money to which he was contractually entitled and presumably had already been included in our cap in previous years and was not paid. If this was the case, then on your version of events we simply came to an agreement as to when this would be paid and this agreement is irrelevant to the cap given the amount was already included.

The other alternative is that Farah claimed he had been promised additional money in some future contract to get him to sign for a lesser deal for an earlier contract and this was to compensate him in relation to such a claim. Now I recall there were murmurs of such a problem with Benji but I do not recall this with Farah as the last deal he signed was always going to be his last deal with the club. However, I accept if this Is what occurred, then it is a problem.

The above being said, both of the above are wholly inconsistent with what the club has claimed. The club has stated there was no connection between the ambassador deal and any playing contract. They have stated that Pascoe offered the deal to effectively re-build bridges between Farah and the club.

Another problem is the above versions are inconsistent with the statements made by the NRL. Weekes stated that the NRL couldn’t understand why the deal was offered. It seems to me that even the NRL didn’t see a connection to any playing contract.

You can’t guarantee TPA money. So if you’re say contracted for another year and are owed 500k for either contract or non-playing stuff and your employer is desperate for you to go it strengthens your position.

Farah was owed money and **JT was so desperate to shed him that some decisions were made that have comeback to bite us.**

Ah good ol JT the gift that keeps on giving. Probably having a big chuckle at our present dilemma from his comfy position in his feathered nest out Bondi way, premiership ring on his finger.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

Farah being owed money can be interpreted two ways. It could be that he was owed money to which he was contractually entitled and presumably had already been included in our cap in previous years and was not paid. If this was the case, then on your version of events we simply came to an agreement as to when this would be paid and this agreement is irrelevant to the cap given the amount was already included.

The other alternative is that Farah claimed he had been promised additional money in some future contract to get him to sign for a lesser deal for an earlier contract and this was to compensate him in relation to such a claim. Now I recall there were murmurs of such a problem with Benji but I do not recall this with Farah as the last deal he signed was always going to be his last deal with the club. However, I accept if this Is what occurred, then it is a problem.

The above being said, both of the above are wholly inconsistent with what the club has claimed. The club has stated there was no connection between the ambassador deal and any playing contract. They have stated that Pascoe offered the deal to effectively re-build bridges between Farah and the club.

Another problem is the above versions are inconsistent with the statements made by the NRL. Weekes stated that the NRL couldn’t understand why the deal was offered. It seems to me that even the NRL didn’t see a connection to any playing contract.

You can’t guarantee TPA money. So if you’re say contracted for another year and are owed 500k for either contract or non-playing stuff and your employer is desperate for you to go it strengthens your position.

Farah was owed money and **JT was so desperate to shed him that some decisions were made that have comeback to bite us.**

Ah good ol JT the gift that keeps on giving. Probably having a big chuckle at our present dilemma from his comfy position in his feathered nest out Bondi way, premiership ring on his finger.

ITS A CONSPIRACY!!…......If not, we’ll blame the coach who left 2 years ago. Each way betting at its best.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Right on cue! 😂

 

[happy_tiger]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

Farah being owed money can be interpreted two ways. It could be that he was owed money to which he was contractually entitled and presumably had already been included in our cap in previous years and was not paid. If this was the case, then on your version of events we simply came to an agreement as to when this would be paid and this agreement is irrelevant to the cap given the amount was already included.

The other alternative is that Farah claimed he had been promised additional money in some future contract to get him to sign for a lesser deal for an earlier contract and this was to compensate him in relation to such a claim. Now I recall there were murmurs of such a problem with Benji but I do not recall this with Farah as the last deal he signed was always going to be his last deal with the club. However, I accept if this Is what occurred, then it is a problem.

The above being said, both of the above are wholly inconsistent with what the club has claimed. The club has stated there was no connection between the ambassador deal and any playing contract. They have stated that Pascoe offered the deal to effectively re-build bridges between Farah and the club.

Another problem is the above versions are inconsistent with the statements made by the NRL. Weekes stated that the NRL couldn’t understand why the deal was offered. It seems to me that even the NRL didn’t see a connection to any playing contract.

My question is this

Is the reason this issue was raised because Robbie came back and started playing for the club again or is a completely different /separate issue ??

Feeling like one of those edible fungi's again ….

 

[Snake]

Farah was owed money before he went to Souths. Not necessarily just from his contract. Part of his agreement to go to Souths was that he would get the more money owed and the ambassador agreement was a mechanism to achieve this. At the same time WT are getting exemptions because Farah is “bad for team harmony”. When Farah returns there is this agreement to pay him x amount of money as an ambassador. Pascoe registers the contract but not the other agreement.

As for Greenberg and the NRL, it’s important remember the integrity unit looked at this for a long time in considerable detail. So while the punishment might be a Todd special, the findings aren’t a Greenberg/Gould/whoever conspiracy.

Pascoe, and let me reiterate that I hold him in high esteem and think he’s done a super job, either through honest error, oversight, or deliberate obfuscation held the agreement from the NRL. That’s where it is right now.

Obviously you know exactly what has transpired just beating around the bush it seems ….seems someone at the club has an axe to grind hence the information being leaked and there always needs to be a gateway to the public forum! It seems Pascoe is gone as the knives are out and the leaking continues as I said from the start something smells very rotten about this ....it is a know fact that the NRL have to be lead by the nose to any suspect dealings in club land .I just hope in the end the person or persons are outed.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Farah being owed money can be interpreted two ways. It could be that he was owed money to which he was contractually entitled and presumably had already been included in our cap in previous years and was not paid. If this was the case, then on your version of events we simply came to an agreement as to when this would be paid and this agreement is irrelevant to the cap given the amount was already included.

The other alternative is that Farah claimed he had been promised additional money in some future contract to get him to sign for a lesser deal for an earlier contract and this was to compensate him in relation to such a claim. Now I recall there were murmurs of such a problem with Benji but I do not recall this with Farah as the last deal he signed was always going to be his last deal with the club. However, I accept if this Is what occurred, then it is a problem.

The above being said, both of the above are wholly inconsistent with what the club has claimed. The club has stated there was no connection between the ambassador deal and any playing contract. They have stated that Pascoe offered the deal to effectively re-build bridges between Farah and the club.

Another problem is the above versions are inconsistent with the statements made by the NRL. Weekes stated that the NRL couldn’t understand why the deal was offered. It seems to me that even the NRL didn’t see a connection to any playing contract.

You can’t guarantee TPA money. So if you’re say contracted for another year and are owed 500k for either contract or non-playing stuff and your employer is desperate for you to go it strengthens your position.

Farah was owed money and **JT was so desperate to shed him that some decisions were made that have comeback to bite us.**

Ah good ol JT the gift that keeps on giving. Probably having a big chuckle at our present dilemma from his comfy position in his feathered nest out Bondi way, premiership ring on his finger.

ITS A CONSPIRACY!!…......If not, we’ll blame the coach who left 2 years ago. Each way betting at its best.

President of the JT Fan Bois Club iintervenes.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

You can’t guarantee TPA money. So if you’re say contracted for another year and are owed 500k for either contract or non-playing stuff and your employer is desperate for you to go it strengthens your position.

Farah was owed money and **JT was so desperate to shed him that some decisions were made that have comeback to bite us.**

Ah good ol JT the gift that keeps on giving. Probably having a big chuckle at our present dilemma from his comfy position in his feathered nest out Bondi way, premiership ring on his finger.

ITS A CONSPIRACY!!…......If not, we’ll blame the coach who left 2 years ago. Each way betting at its best.

President of the JT Fan Bois Club iintervenes.

Hope it isn’t too uncomfortable for you, having me under your skin.

 

[cktiger]

Ah good ol JT the gift that keeps on giving. Probably having a big chuckle at our present dilemma from his comfy position in his feathered nest out Bondi way, premiership ring on his finger.

ITS A CONSPIRACY!!…......If not, we’ll blame the coach who left 2 years ago. Each way betting at its best.

President of the JT Fan Bois Club iintervenes.

Hope it isn’t too uncomfortable for you, having me under your skin.

Hope it’s not too uncomfortable for you carrying JT on your back for the rest of your life lol