Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

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Ok, got it!

 

[diedpretty]

But the TPA has nothing to do with the club

The club doesn't have to honour it in any way , shape or form

Look at Anasta , his TPA fell through as well , too bad so sad

What if the TPA was going to fall through because the company providing it was only interested because RF was playing for the Tigers? So it is possible that he was refusing to leave because it would cost him the $200k TPA. That is me speculating by the way.

Then the NRL failed in registering the TPA if it was only used to induce him to play for the Tigers. This is one of the major aguments about TPAs. I hope this is about TPAs - might bring the whole thing to a head.

That is actually false. The TPA might not have been organised by the Tigers! A company based in the Macarthur area may have independently offered RF a contract based on him being a representative of that area. Once he moved to Souths he no longer represented that area and the company may have then seen him of little commercial value

I think you need to read up on TPA's - neither club organised or through an agent can be used to induce a player to play for a certain club. Thats the rule - and yes i know its a load of BS. Hence why i said i hope this whole thing is over TPAs and if it is i hope WT have the balls to take the NRL on and get the whole TPA fiasco out in the open. It is interesting that one journo said that should WT take on the NRL over the salary cap it would be one hell of a stoush.

 

[diedpretty]

What if the TPA was going to fall through because the company providing it was only interested because RF was playing for the Tigers? So it is possible that he was refusing to leave because it would cost him the $200k TPA. That is me speculating by the way.

Then the NRL failed in registering the TPA if it was only used to induce him to play for the Tigers. This is one of the major aguments about TPAs. I hope this is about TPAs - might bring the whole thing to a head.

That is actually false. The TPA might not have been organised by the Tigers! A company based in the Macarthur area may have independently offered RF a contract based on him being a representative of that area. Once he moved to Souths he no longer represented that area and the company may have then seen him of little commercial value

Exactly. TPA only exists while he's a Tiger. So when he agrees to leave he's effectively foregoing that money.

I have had a good think about what both of you have said and can see how this could be the case - if it is then i can also see what a cancer RF and his agent are and hope that the club sacks him immediately. If what you say is right he held the club to ransom over a TPA they didn't organise. It doesn't matter that JT wanted to move him on - players get moved on all the time mid contract. He got paid everything WT owed him - but he sooked over a TPA they didn't organise until he got what he wanted. Yoss - you said earlier this wasn't Robbies fault but if what you and cochise are saying is right he is up to his eyeballs in it.

 

[sheer64]

TPA's fall through quite regularly Yoss , that's not WT's issue …....that's Robbie's issue and his Ayoub's issue

In normal conditions sure. But he was still under contract and so could refuse to leave and we would have been liable for the full 950k of his contract. So RF and Ayoub had some bargaining power.

According to all reports at that time that is what we paid - it was reported he was on 950k at Souths that first year and we paid 750k of it. You can't then say oh but you only paid 750k - that would be double dipping as he already got his 950k that was owed for that season.

But we “only” were hit for 750k with regards to our salary cap. What I’m saying is he could have been released and paid out his contract. As far as I know from that point he could do what he likes although obviously we could have kept him playing reggies since cutting him offers little benefit.

**Let’s say player X is owed 950k in contract money and 200k in off field money and has a year or two left on his contract.\
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If he stays at the club he gets 950k and possibly some or all of his TPA.
If he leaves he gets 950k but his TPAs disappear. So he’s out 200k.\
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The officials at Club Z know the above and say we’ll make sure you’re not out of pocket if you leave. Suggest an off field role post career for the amount he stands to lose.**

Firstly was the TPA registered with the NRL?

Secondly even if they offer a post playing contract to compensate for the loss of the players TPA, how is this cheating the cap if the TPA was already registered?

 

[cochise]

In normal conditions sure. But he was still under contract and so could refuse to leave and we would have been liable for the full 950k of his contract. So RF and Ayoub had some bargaining power.

According to all reports at that time that is what we paid - it was reported he was on 950k at Souths that first year and we paid 750k of it. You can't then say oh but you only paid 750k - that would be double dipping as he already got his 950k that was owed for that season.

But we “only” were hit for 750k with regards to our salary cap. What I’m saying is he could have been released and paid out his contract. As far as I know from that point he could do what he likes although obviously we could have kept him playing reggies since cutting him offers little benefit.

**Let’s say player X is owed 950k in contract money and 200k in off field money and has a year or two left on his contract.\
\
If he stays at the club he gets 950k and possibly some or all of his TPA.
If he leaves he gets 950k but his TPAs disappear. So he’s out 200k.\
\
The officials at Club Z know the above and say we’ll make sure you’re not out of pocket if you leave. Suggest an off field role post career for the amount he stands to lose.**

Firstly was the TPA registered with the NRL?

Secondly even if they offer a post playing contract to compensate for the loss of the players TPA, how is this cheating the cap if the TPA was already registered?

Because in that senario the club ended up paying for it, TPA's are salary cap exempt but if the club took on the payment than it is no longer exempt and gets included in the cap.

 

[JD Tiger]

Then the NRL failed in registering the TPA if it was only used to induce him to play for the Tigers. This is one of the major aguments about TPAs. I hope this is about TPAs - might bring the whole thing to a head.

That is actually false. The TPA might not have been organised by the Tigers! A company based in the Macarthur area may have independently offered RF a contract based on him being a representative of that area. Once he moved to Souths he no longer represented that area and the company may have then seen him of little commercial value

Exactly. TPA only exists while he's a Tiger. So when he agrees to leave he's effectively foregoing that money.

I have had a good think about what both of you have said and can see how this could be the case - if it is then i can also see what a cancer RF and his agent are and hope that the club sacks him immediately. If what you say is right he held the club to ransom over a TPA they didn't organise. It doesn't matter that JT wanted to move him on - players get moved on all the time mid contract. He got paid everything WT owed him - but he sooked over a TPA they didn't organise until he got what he wanted. Yoss - you said earlier this wasn't Robbies fault but if what you and cochise are saying is right he is up to his eyeballs in it.

And who gave this contract signed by WT but not by Farah, (which the club didn't have in their possession,) to the NRL? Isn't the agent the only one that had it? But why would they hand it over now?

I still don't understand why this punishment (for a crime I'm still hazy on) is coming out now? Wouldn't you punish a club when the ex-player takes on the post-NRL role? It hasn't even happened yet!! So now post-career, (I seriously doubt whether WT will pay Robbie to do anything, we've been burned twice now) but if we do get him in a role and pay him $100k more than the NRL think now, will we get fined and punished again?

It's absolutely pathetic. The timing, dumping in on us the same time as the Sharks for the refusal to comply with previous punishments, saying Pascoe has been de-registered, but not saying for how long, and then breaking for Christmas so there can be no immediate reply. It's absolute rubbish, and it is so obvious that there is an agenda here. I can only speculate (without evidence) as to exactly what, but it's clear we should fight this and Robbie can kiss whatever post-playing days role goodbye.

Maybe Robbie should sue NRL for taking away his post-football role. Go on Robbie, why not?

 

[sheer64]

According to all reports at that time that is what we paid - it was reported he was on 950k at Souths that first year and we paid 750k of it. You can't then say oh but you only paid 750k - that would be double dipping as he already got his 950k that was owed for that season.

But we “only” were hit for 750k with regards to our salary cap. What I’m saying is he could have been released and paid out his contract. As far as I know from that point he could do what he likes although obviously we could have kept him playing reggies since cutting him offers little benefit.

**Let’s say player X is owed 950k in contract money and 200k in off field money and has a year or two left on his contract.\
\
If he stays at the club he gets 950k and possibly some or all of his TPA.
If he leaves he gets 950k but his TPAs disappear. So he’s out 200k.\
\
The officials at Club Z know the above and say we’ll make sure you’re not out of pocket if you leave. Suggest an off field role post career for the amount he stands to lose.**

Firstly was the TPA registered with the NRL?

Secondly even if they offer a post playing contract to compensate for the loss of the players TPA, how is this cheating the cap if the TPA was already registered?

Because in that senario the club ended up paying for it, TPA's are salary cap exempt but if the club took on the payment than it is no longer exempt and gets included in the cap.

But in reality they have not paid for it if Robbie does not take up the role.

 

[cochise]

But we “only” were hit for 750k with regards to our salary cap. What I’m saying is he could have been released and paid out his contract. As far as I know from that point he could do what he likes although obviously we could have kept him playing reggies since cutting him offers little benefit.

**Let’s say player X is owed 950k in contract money and 200k in off field money and has a year or two left on his contract.\
\
If he stays at the club he gets 950k and possibly some or all of his TPA.
If he leaves he gets 950k but his TPAs disappear. So he’s out 200k.\
\
The officials at Club Z know the above and say we’ll make sure you’re not out of pocket if you leave. Suggest an off field role post career for the amount he stands to lose.**

Firstly was the TPA registered with the NRL?

Secondly even if they offer a post playing contract to compensate for the loss of the players TPA, how is this cheating the cap if the TPA was already registered?

Because in that senario the club ended up paying for it, TPA's are salary cap exempt but if the club took on the payment than it is no longer exempt and gets included in the cap.

But in reality they have not paid for it if Robbie does not take up the role.

No but in that scenario they have guaranteed it to him.

 

[sheer64]

Firstly was the TPA registered with the NRL?

Secondly even if they offer a post playing contract to compensate for the loss of the players TPA, how is this cheating the cap if the TPA was already registered?

Because in that senario the club ended up paying for it, TPA's are salary cap exempt but if the club took on the payment than it is no longer exempt and gets included in the cap.

But in reality they have not paid for it if Robbie does not take up the role.

No but in that scenario they have guaranteed it to him.

If the NRL think they can penalise a club for removing a player from their roster, but no money has exchanged hands nor is there a valid signed contract by both parties, I say see you in court.

 

[happy_tiger]

“It had absolutely nothing to do with my old playing contract, or my current playing contract in coming back to the Tigers. **I got my contract paid out in full when I left to go to the Rabbitohs. There were no deferred payments or anything like that. It’s not like they [the Tigers] tried to hide it.**

So you are saying Robbie lied in this statement?

As I understand, his contract was paid out in full. He had some 3rd party deals that the club can't compensate for, so they offered him an ambassador role as a sign of good faith.

I'm sure just about every club has done this, though wisely leave it unofficial.

But the TPA has nothing to do with the club

The club doesn't have to honour it in any way , shape or form

Look at Anasta , his TPA fell through as well , too bad so sad

What if the TPA was going to fall through because the company providing it was only interested because RF was playing for the Tigers? So it is possible that he was refusing to leave because it would cost him the $200k TPA. That is me speculating by the way.

Again (and I don't blame Robbie for leaving ) he didn't have to leave and abandon the 200 k nor did the WT's have to guarantee the money …...

The TPA reasoning doesn't make sense UNLESS when he re-signed that deal became live again and that then changed the legality of the post career deal as well as the TPA

The other problem I guess is none of us have viewed Robbie's contract .....he may have had something in it that none of us knew about .....

None of the figures add up to the fine we have received

Again we shouldn't be blaming Robbie for this imo

 

[Geo]

You spin me round like a record baby round round round round….

 

[tigeress]

Yes but the NRL has Rule 91A (1) which says that 'any termination agreement with a player must include any future employment at that club or any other NRL club'

 

[hammertime]

Yes but the NRL has Rule 91A (1) which says that 'any termination agreement with a player must include any future employment at that club or any other NRL club'

Will be interesting how the tigers argue this as it could be debated that it's unclear whether it's only employment offered related to the termination or all employment,

The deal was seemingly agreed and announced in the papers before his termination. So why the need to report it to the nrl?

Particularly given the optionality of the agreement.

 

[Geo]

Because news limited.flogs is not the NRL..

 

[TheDaBoss]

Im just looking forward to the day when this drama is officially over…

 

[Snake]

Im just looking forward to the day when this drama is officially over…

Will not have to wait long Justin Pascoe will either fight it or just disappear as a disgraced sports administrator and a cheater….just waiting for Manly to be deregistered from the competition as cheating the salary cap for advantage over rivals is 100% more serious than what has happened at the Tigers ....this is where the Tigers have a case the NRLS inconsistency! for just pulling out length and financial punishment on a whim.....this is regardless of some rule.

 

[gallagher]

Im just looking forward to the day when this drama is officially over…

A smart club would admit fault, cop the penalty and move on.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Im just looking forward to the day when this drama is officially over…

A smart club would admit fault, cop the penalty and move on.

we are a stubborn mule i guess

 

[Newtown]

Im just looking forward to the day when this drama is officially over…

A smart club would admit fault, cop the penalty and move on.

Not if that club is in the right. Wests Tigers have to show that they are not there to be the downtrodden club of the NRL. There is nothing smart about being downtrodden because it will continue to happen.

 

[jadtiger]

Im just looking forward to the day when this drama is officially over…

A smart club would admit fault, cop the penalty and move on.

Not if that club is in the right. Wests Tigers have to show that they are not there to be the downtrodden club of the NRL. There is nothing smart about being downtrodden because it will continue to happen.

Correct you have to make a stand or we will be used and abused by the National Rorters League until they force us out of Sydney to look after the powerful clubs.