Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

[WT2K]

I too am saying we should say to NRL see you in court and give them the finger as to their impartiality and fairness. Not even attempt to go to their arbitration first unless we are guilty, by accepting their arbitration, we are accepting the guilt which at this stage I am not sure we are guilty of anything.

Would love to see it happen.. Not sure if it will. Guess we'll find out in the next few weeks

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Too true. About as dumb as anyone who would think WT would go about it as brazen as the Sharks did. Flanagan signing a coaching extension whilst suspended was hardly the brightest thing to do. Likewise for him attending games whilst suspended under the premise of "watching my son play reggies". Nevermind the extensive email trail the buffoons left behind for the NRL to reel them in. One would think there are smarter ways to get around it than that no?

So when other clubs rort the system they are maggots, but if we can get away with it "hey, why not".

Bloody oath. Anyone with half a brain can surely see that clubs who participate and operate "honestly" within the current NRL system are absolutely no chance of vying for a premiership. This is pretty obvious to most with a passing interest in the game.
Long story short, yep cheaters are maggots but to compete with the likes of Easts, Broncos, Storm, Sharks etc clubs will have to find ways to deceive the shonky, lopsided system currently in place.
Sick of supporting a club that is by and large run honestly, yet getting our arses flogged by clubs who are laughably considered to be operating above-board. So it is most definitely a case of "can't beat 'em, join 'em". 100%
Ask the s###bag Storm players and fans whether their celebrations for "winning" on GF night were dulled by being stripped of those premierships years later? I most certainly would still enjoy a WT GF win in 2019 and the weeks of partying afterwards even if we got caught out and stripped down the track.
Cheats win premierships, honest clubs prop up the ladder year after year. Sad but true.
Look at Newcastle, they are pretty much sick of finishing cellar-dwellars so are starting to show some real signs of brown-paper-bagging in order to get their club up to speed with the big boys.

All well and good if you think clubs are better off rorting, however you can't call some clubs maggots for doing it while patting others on the back.

Where did I state any cheats should be patted on the back? Your'e making stuff up to suit your POV.
Clubs who rort ARE better off. Check the premiership winners of every one of the last 14 or so seasons, there had been more than a strong whiff of rorting- including a few that have been caught cheating in their premiership winning season. WT were even caught over the cap in '06 or thereabouts and fined IIRC. Clubs that rort win premierships, going back to 2004 there is more than enough evidence to suggest this unless your head is buried in the sand or another orifice. Storm, Sharks, Roosters, Manly titles in particular are very iffy at best. Throw in NQ with their "free houses" incentive. Souths with Rusty and his brown paper Gucci bags, Dragons and their "Gasnier is happy to play for a packet of chips and a Pepsi" contract (the same one SBW had at Easts in 2013 reportedly) and the Broncos "thoroughbreds bonuses".
Good-guy clubs playing by the rules finish at the arse end of the comp. Its pretty simple really.

 

[diedpretty]

I've scrolled through and skim read most of this thread. My questions are:
1) If Justin Pascoe has been ordered to have zero contact with the club, how is he meant to argue his case?
2) If this does go to court, is it Justin challenging it or the club? Or both together?
3) I saw a 9 month term mentioned. Obviously there could well be zero truth to that but if that was the case, couldn't Justin just sit out for that period while Kelly Egan for example, took the temporary reins before returning after that time? Where did that info originally come from? I know de-registered means banned but when I saw a time frame mentioned it threw me?

These could be stupid questions but thought I'd put it out there for some clarification. I'm very sad to see this situation unfold, I've met and spoken to Justin a number of times and he really is an asset to the club. He speaks passionately and has big visions and plans moving forward. Hopefully the Brydens team can/have come onboard and help fix this mess.

Wests Tigers need to take Greenberg and the NRL to court for defamation of our CEO and our brand. There are more holes in their accusations than swiss cheese. Any decent barrister will bend the NRL over!

I don't think we are going to beat the NRL on the salary cap stuff as we have either intentionally or inadvertently broken one of the rules. However i think Pascoe would have a very good case against Greenturd and the NRL for defaming him and damaging his capacity to earn in the future based on him being labelled a cheat. I would seriously doubt the NRL would have evidence that would hold up in a court of law that proves that Pascoe intentionally cheated. They may find him guilty in their kangaroo court but things could ugly for them in a real court of law.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

So when other clubs rort the system they are maggots, but if we can get away with it "hey, why not".

Bloody oath. Anyone with half a brain can surely see that clubs who participate and operate "honestly" within the current NRL system are absolutely no chance of vying for a premiership. This is pretty obvious to most with a passing interest in the game.
Long story short, yep cheaters are maggots but to compete with the likes of Easts, Broncos, Storm, Sharks etc clubs will have to find ways to deceive the shonky, lopsided system currently in place.
Sick of supporting a club that is by and large run honestly, yet getting our arses flogged by clubs who are laughably considered to be operating above-board. So it is most definitely a case of "can't beat 'em, join 'em". 100%
Ask the s###bag Storm players and fans whether their celebrations for "winning" on GF night were dulled by being stripped of those premierships years later? I most certainly would still enjoy a WT GF win in 2019 and the weeks of partying afterwards even if we got caught out and stripped down the track.
Cheats win premierships, honest clubs prop up the ladder year after year. Sad but true.
Look at Newcastle, they are pretty much sick of finishing cellar-dwellars so are starting to show some real signs of brown-paper-bagging in order to get their club up to speed with the big boys.

All well and good if you think clubs are better off rorting, however you can't call some clubs maggots for doing it while patting others on the back.

Where did I state any cheats should be patted on the back? Your'e making stuff up to suit your POV.
Clubs who rort ARE better off. Check the premiership winners of every one of the last 14 or so seasons, their had been more than a strong whiff of rorting- including a few that have been caught cheating in their premiership winning season. WT were even caught over the cap in '06 or thereabouts and fined IIRC. Clubs that rort win premierships, going back to 2004 there is more than enough evidence to suggest this unless your head is buried in the sand or another orifice. Storm, Sharks, Roosters, Manly titles in particular are very iffy at best. Throw in NQ with their "free houses" incentive. South's with Rusty and his brown paper Gucci bags, Dragons and their "Gasnier is happy to play for a packet of chips and a Pepsi" contract, and the Broncos "thoroughbreds bonuses".
Good-guy clubs playing by the rules finish at the arse end of the comp. Its pretty simple really.

Well sadly there are some on here that will expect you to submit spreadsheets in triplicate before making comments like that. I however back you 100%. Look at the roster of 2018 premiers as exhibit A. As for NRL sticking their heads up each other’s butts - they found Sharks rorted the cap either side of their premiership but amazingly were compliant in the year they won the Comp. what a load of Greenturd!!

 

[cochise]

So when other clubs rort the system they are maggots, but if we can get away with it "hey, why not".

Bloody oath. Anyone with half a brain can surely see that clubs who participate and operate "honestly" within the current NRL system are absolutely no chance of vying for a premiership. This is pretty obvious to most with a passing interest in the game.
Long story short, yep cheaters are maggots but to compete with the likes of Easts, Broncos, Storm, Sharks etc clubs will have to find ways to deceive the shonky, lopsided system currently in place.
Sick of supporting a club that is by and large run honestly, yet getting our arses flogged by clubs who are laughably considered to be operating above-board. So it is most definitely a case of "can't beat 'em, join 'em". 100%
Ask the s###bag Storm players and fans whether their celebrations for "winning" on GF night were dulled by being stripped of those premierships years later? I most certainly would still enjoy a WT GF win in 2019 and the weeks of partying afterwards even if we got caught out and stripped down the track.
Cheats win premierships, honest clubs prop up the ladder year after year. Sad but true.
Look at Newcastle, they are pretty much sick of finishing cellar-dwellars so are starting to show some real signs of brown-paper-bagging in order to get their club up to speed with the big boys.

All well and good if you think clubs are better off rorting, however you can't call some clubs maggots for doing it while patting others on the back.

Where did I state any cheats should be patted on the back? Your'e making stuff up to suit your POV.
Clubs who rort ARE better off. Check the premiership winners of every one of the last 14 or so seasons, there had been more than a strong whiff of rorting- including a few that have been caught cheating in their premiership winning season. WT were even caught over the cap in '06 or thereabouts and fined IIRC. Clubs that rort win premierships, going back to 2004 there is more than enough evidence to suggest this unless your head is buried in the sand or another orifice. Storm, Sharks, Roosters, Manly titles in particular are very iffy at best. Throw in NQ with their "free houses" incentive. Souths with Rusty and his brown paper Gucci bags, Dragons and their "Gasnier is happy to play for a packet of chips and a Pepsi" contract (the same one SBW had at Easts in 2013 reportedly) and the Broncos "thoroughbreds bonuses".
Good-guy clubs playing by the rules finish at the arse end of the comp. Its pretty simple really.

All well and good, but if you get caught breaking the rules then you get punished, guess what? we were caught breaking the rules. The excuse of "everybody else is doing it!" is not good enough.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Bloody oath. Anyone with half a brain can surely see that clubs who participate and operate "honestly" within the current NRL system are absolutely no chance of vying for a premiership. This is pretty obvious to most with a passing interest in the game.
Long story short, yep cheaters are maggots but to compete with the likes of Easts, Broncos, Storm, Sharks etc clubs will have to find ways to deceive the shonky, lopsided system currently in place.
Sick of supporting a club that is by and large run honestly, yet getting our arses flogged by clubs who are laughably considered to be operating above-board. So it is most definitely a case of "can't beat 'em, join 'em". 100%
Ask the s###bag Storm players and fans whether their celebrations for "winning" on GF night were dulled by being stripped of those premierships years later? I most certainly would still enjoy a WT GF win in 2019 and the weeks of partying afterwards even if we got caught out and stripped down the track.
Cheats win premierships, honest clubs prop up the ladder year after year. Sad but true.
Look at Newcastle, they are pretty much sick of finishing cellar-dwellars so are starting to show some real signs of brown-paper-bagging in order to get their club up to speed with the big boys.

All well and good if you think clubs are better off rorting, however you can't call some clubs maggots for doing it while patting others on the back.

Where did I state any cheats should be patted on the back? Your'e making stuff up to suit your POV.
Clubs who rort ARE better off. Check the premiership winners of every one of the last 14 or so seasons, there had been more than a strong whiff of rorting- including a few that have been caught cheating in their premiership winning season. WT were even caught over the cap in '06 or thereabouts and fined IIRC. Clubs that rort win premierships, going back to 2004 there is more than enough evidence to suggest this unless your head is buried in the sand or another orifice. Storm, Sharks, Roosters, Manly titles in particular are very iffy at best. Throw in NQ with their "free houses" incentive. Souths with Rusty and his brown paper Gucci bags, Dragons and their "Gasnier is happy to play for a packet of chips and a Pepsi" contract (the same one SBW had at Easts in 2013 reportedly) and the Broncos "thoroughbreds bonuses".
Good-guy clubs playing by the rules finish at the arse end of the comp. Its pretty simple really.

All well and good, but if you get caught breaking the rules then you get punished, guess what? we were caught breaking the rules. The excuse of "everybody else is doing it!" is not good enough.

It doesn’t excuse us from doing the wrong thing - it does bring up the question of equality across the board. Imagine NRL deregistering Politis - Bahahahahaha!!! Never happen!

 

[cochise]

All well and good if you think clubs are better off rorting, however you can't call some clubs maggots for doing it while patting others on the back.

Where did I state any cheats should be patted on the back? Your'e making stuff up to suit your POV.
Clubs who rort ARE better off. Check the premiership winners of every one of the last 14 or so seasons, there had been more than a strong whiff of rorting- including a few that have been caught cheating in their premiership winning season. WT were even caught over the cap in '06 or thereabouts and fined IIRC. Clubs that rort win premierships, going back to 2004 there is more than enough evidence to suggest this unless your head is buried in the sand or another orifice. Storm, Sharks, Roosters, Manly titles in particular are very iffy at best. Throw in NQ with their "free houses" incentive. Souths with Rusty and his brown paper Gucci bags, Dragons and their "Gasnier is happy to play for a packet of chips and a Pepsi" contract (the same one SBW had at Easts in 2013 reportedly) and the Broncos "thoroughbreds bonuses".
Good-guy clubs playing by the rules finish at the arse end of the comp. Its pretty simple really.

All well and good, but if you get caught breaking the rules then you get punished, guess what? we were caught breaking the rules. The excuse of "everybody else is doing it!" is not good enough.

It doesn’t excuse us from doing the wrong thing - it does bring up the question of equality across the board. Imagine NRL deregistering Politis - Bahahahahaha!!! Never happen!

We have not been punished anywhere near as harshly as the past clubs that breached the cap.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Bloody oath. Anyone with half a brain can surely see that clubs who participate and operate "honestly" within the current NRL system are absolutely no chance of vying for a premiership. This is pretty obvious to most with a passing interest in the game.
Long story short, yep cheaters are maggots but to compete with the likes of Easts, Broncos, Storm, Sharks etc clubs will have to find ways to deceive the shonky, lopsided system currently in place.
Sick of supporting a club that is by and large run honestly, yet getting our arses flogged by clubs who are laughably considered to be operating above-board. So it is most definitely a case of "can't beat 'em, join 'em". 100%
Ask the s###bag Storm players and fans whether their celebrations for "winning" on GF night were dulled by being stripped of those premierships years later? I most certainly would still enjoy a WT GF win in 2019 and the weeks of partying afterwards even if we got caught out and stripped down the track.
Cheats win premierships, honest clubs prop up the ladder year after year. Sad but true.
Look at Newcastle, they are pretty much sick of finishing cellar-dwellars so are starting to show some real signs of brown-paper-bagging in order to get their club up to speed with the big boys.

All well and good if you think clubs are better off rorting, however you can't call some clubs maggots for doing it while patting others on the back.

Where did I state any cheats should be patted on the back? Your'e making stuff up to suit your POV.
Clubs who rort ARE better off. Check the premiership winners of every one of the last 14 or so seasons, their had been more than a strong whiff of rorting- including a few that have been caught cheating in their premiership winning season. WT were even caught over the cap in '06 or thereabouts and fined IIRC. Clubs that rort win premierships, going back to 2004 there is more than enough evidence to suggest this unless your head is buried in the sand or another orifice. Storm, Sharks, Roosters, Manly titles in particular are very iffy at best. Throw in NQ with their "free houses" incentive. South's with Rusty and his brown paper Gucci bags, Dragons and their "Gasnier is happy to play for a packet of chips and a Pepsi" contract, and the Broncos "thoroughbreds bonuses".
Good-guy clubs playing by the rules finish at the arse end of the comp. Its pretty simple really.

**Well sadly there are some on here that will expect you to submit spreadsheets in triplicate before making comments like that**. I however back you 100%. Look at the roster of 2018 premiers as exhibit A. As for NRL sticking their heads up each other’s butts - they found Sharks rorted the cap either side of their premiership but amazingly were compliant in the year they won the Comp. what a load of Greenturd!!

Damn straight when they are based on conspiracy theories

 

[diedpretty]

From the NSW Justice Department;

"What is unfair dismissal?

Was it unfair?
To make an unfair dismissal application, the termination of your employment must have been unfair.

Your dismissal will be considered unfair if it was harsh, unjust or unreasonable. The Commission will consider the reasons for your dismissal, and the process followed by your employer when deciding whether a dismissal was harsh, unjust or unreasonable."

I’m not sure being deregistered is the same as being dismissed from employment from a legal perspective. But I’m no lawyer.

I think it would be considered the same if you were being denied your livelihood.

 

[Telltails]

Where did I state any cheats should be patted on the back? Your'e making stuff up to suit your POV.
Clubs who rort ARE better off. Check the premiership winners of every one of the last 14 or so seasons, there had been more than a strong whiff of rorting- including a few that have been caught cheating in their premiership winning season. WT were even caught over the cap in '06 or thereabouts and fined IIRC. Clubs that rort win premierships, going back to 2004 there is more than enough evidence to suggest this unless your head is buried in the sand or another orifice. Storm, Sharks, Roosters, Manly titles in particular are very iffy at best. Throw in NQ with their "free houses" incentive. Souths with Rusty and his brown paper Gucci bags, Dragons and their "Gasnier is happy to play for a packet of chips and a Pepsi" contract (the same one SBW had at Easts in 2013 reportedly) and the Broncos "thoroughbreds bonuses".
Good-guy clubs playing by the rules finish at the arse end of the comp. Its pretty simple really.

All well and good, but if you get caught breaking the rules then you get punished, guess what? we were caught breaking the rules. The excuse of "everybody else is doing it!" is not good enough.

It doesn’t excuse us from doing the wrong thing - it does bring up the question of equality across the board. Imagine NRL deregistering Politis - Bahahahahaha!!! Never happen!

We have not been punished anywhere near as harshly as the past clubs that breached the cap.

A big difference in clubs rorting the cap repeatedly with paying players with brown paper bags to retain them and sign new ones to gain advantage in the competition to us trying to resolve a TPA issue to move Farah on and mop up the mess created by an inept coach.
Yes it looks like we breached the rules and we should cop a fine but dont pretend that we are being treated fairly in terms of the penalty.

 

[diedpretty]

Whatever, the penalties issued on Pascoe and Wests Tigers by Greenburg are way, way too harsh.

I think the deregistration, if warranted, should have been played out behind closed doors. It has been stupid by the NRL to do it publicly (even with show cause period) as it has damaged Pascoes reputation. If he is anything but 100% guilty as charged, I would think the NRL are in for a world of hurt,

Exactly - by public accusing the guy of being a cheat is a pretty stupid thing to do unless you have unquestionable evidence of the cheating - i would be surprised if the NRL do - and if they don't i hope Pascoe and WT take them to the cleaners.

 

[cochise]

Posted this in the Who do we offload?thread over a week ago, to highlight the severity of the punishment. There's no way people can say the overall penalties handed down aren't harsh.

Yes it might be a bit of a relief knowing we have the option to request the club be allowed to spread out the cap penalty, however it’s still pretty harsh given the circumstances.
If you look at the most notable cap breaches in NRL history we’ve been penalised $300k less than Melb were but over $300k more than Parra. The club whose sanction with the closest similarities to ours is Manly - 2 club officials banned- yet their fine was still $600k less than ours.
So if you consider why we’ve been sanctioned in comparison to those 3 teams, I feel we’ve been very hard done by.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rugby_League_salary_cap
Melbourne season 2010
The Melbourne Storm salary cap breach was a gross breach of salary cap over a period of five years. The NRL's discovery of these breaches in 2010 resulted in the Storm being fined a record $1.689 million, stripped of the 2007 and 2009 premierships, the 2006, 2007 and 2009 minor premierships and the 2010 World Club Challenge, and ordering them to play for zero points, effectively sentencing them to finish the 2010 NRL season (of which 75% was still to be played) with the wooden spoon.
Paramatta Eels season 2016
Main article: Parramatta Eels salary cap breach
The Parramatta Eels were fined $1 million and stripped of their 2016 NRL Auckland Nines title after they were found to be over the salary cap by over $500,000\. They were also stripped of the 12 competition points they had earned so far. They were not allowed to earn any further points until they fell back under the cap.
Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles season 2018
In 2018, Manly were fined $750,000 and two of the club's officials received 12 month bans after The NRL found that they had breached the salary cap over the previous five seasons. The breaches involve 15 players over five years, totalling $1.5 million. Unlike Parramatta and other teams who have breached the salary cap, Manly did not receive any competition points deduction.

I think Manly got of very lightly but the other 2 lost competition points and the Storm lost Premierships, we have been punished nowhere near as harshly as those 2 teams.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

All well and good if you think clubs are better off rorting, however you can't call some clubs maggots for doing it while patting others on the back.

Where did I state any cheats should be patted on the back? Your'e making stuff up to suit your POV.
Clubs who rort ARE better off. Check the premiership winners of every one of the last 14 or so seasons, their had been more than a strong whiff of rorting- including a few that have been caught cheating in their premiership winning season. WT were even caught over the cap in '06 or thereabouts and fined IIRC. Clubs that rort win premierships, going back to 2004 there is more than enough evidence to suggest this unless your head is buried in the sand or another orifice. Storm, Sharks, Roosters, Manly titles in particular are very iffy at best. Throw in NQ with their "free houses" incentive. South's with Rusty and his brown paper Gucci bags, Dragons and their "Gasnier is happy to play for a packet of chips and a Pepsi" contract, and the Broncos "thoroughbreds bonuses".
Good-guy clubs playing by the rules finish at the arse end of the comp. Its pretty simple really.

**Well sadly there are some on here that will expect you to submit spreadsheets in triplicate before making comments like that**. I however back you 100%. Look at the roster of 2018 premiers as exhibit A. As for NRL sticking their heads up each other’s butts - they found Sharks rorted the cap either side of their premiership but amazingly were compliant in the year they won the Comp. what a load of Greenturd!!

Damn straight when they are based on conspiracy theories

Funny you should stick your head up

 

[cochise]

All well and good, but if you get caught breaking the rules then you get punished, guess what? we were caught breaking the rules. The excuse of "everybody else is doing it!" is not good enough.

It doesn’t excuse us from doing the wrong thing - it does bring up the question of equality across the board. Imagine NRL deregistering Politis - Bahahahahaha!!! Never happen!

We have not been punished anywhere near as harshly as the past clubs that breached the cap.

A big difference in clubs rorting the cap repeatedly with paying players with brown paper bags to retain them and sign new ones to gain advantage in the competition to us trying to resolve a TPA issue to move Farah on and mop up the mess created by an inept coach.
Yes it looks like we breached the rules and we should cop a fine but dont pretend that we are being treated fairly in terms of the penalty.

I'll ask the same as I was asked, you have proof of these brown paper bags?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Where did I state any cheats should be patted on the back? Your'e making stuff up to suit your POV.
Clubs who rort ARE better off. Check the premiership winners of every one of the last 14 or so seasons, their had been more than a strong whiff of rorting- including a few that have been caught cheating in their premiership winning season. WT were even caught over the cap in '06 or thereabouts and fined IIRC. Clubs that rort win premierships, going back to 2004 there is more than enough evidence to suggest this unless your head is buried in the sand or another orifice. Storm, Sharks, Roosters, Manly titles in particular are very iffy at best. Throw in NQ with their "free houses" incentive. South's with Rusty and his brown paper Gucci bags, Dragons and their "Gasnier is happy to play for a packet of chips and a Pepsi" contract, and the Broncos "thoroughbreds bonuses".
Good-guy clubs playing by the rules finish at the arse end of the comp. Its pretty simple really.

**Well sadly there are some on here that will expect you to submit spreadsheets in triplicate before making comments like that**. I however back you 100%. Look at the roster of 2018 premiers as exhibit A. As for NRL sticking their heads up each other’s butts - they found Sharks rorted the cap either side of their premiership but amazingly were compliant in the year they won the Comp. what a load of Greenturd!!

Damn straight when they are based on conspiracy theories

Funny you should stick your head up

Mate, i’m sorry that I challenged your opinion once or twice and you’ve never been able to get over it, consequently you constantly feel the need to dig at me, most often indirectly. Idk what to say, maybe lighten up a bit and not take everything so seriously?

 

[diedpretty]

Where did I state any cheats should be patted on the back? Your'e making stuff up to suit your POV.
Clubs who rort ARE better off. Check the premiership winners of every one of the last 14 or so seasons, there had been more than a strong whiff of rorting- including a few that have been caught cheating in their premiership winning season. WT were even caught over the cap in '06 or thereabouts and fined IIRC. Clubs that rort win premierships, going back to 2004 there is more than enough evidence to suggest this unless your head is buried in the sand or another orifice. Storm, Sharks, Roosters, Manly titles in particular are very iffy at best. Throw in NQ with their "free houses" incentive. Souths with Rusty and his brown paper Gucci bags, Dragons and their "Gasnier is happy to play for a packet of chips and a Pepsi" contract (the same one SBW had at Easts in 2013 reportedly) and the Broncos "thoroughbreds bonuses".
Good-guy clubs playing by the rules finish at the arse end of the comp. Its pretty simple really.

All well and good, but if you get caught breaking the rules then you get punished, guess what? we were caught breaking the rules. The excuse of "everybody else is doing it!" is not good enough.

It doesn’t excuse us from doing the wrong thing - it does bring up the question of equality across the board. Imagine NRL deregistering Politis - Bahahahahaha!!! Never happen!

We have not been punished anywhere near as harshly as the past clubs that breached the cap.

I think you need to change your name - the real Cochise fought for his people no matter what the odds or who was in the right.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

**Well sadly there are some on here that will expect you to submit spreadsheets in triplicate before making comments like that**. I however back you 100%. Look at the roster of 2018 premiers as exhibit A. As for NRL sticking their heads up each other’s butts - they found Sharks rorted the cap either side of their premiership but amazingly were compliant in the year they won the Comp. what a load of Greenturd!!

Damn straight when they are based on conspiracy theories

Funny you should stick your head up

Mate, i’m sorry that I challenged your opinion once or twice and you’ve never been able to get over it, consequently you constantly feel the need to dig at me, most often indirectly. Idk what to say, maybe lighten up a bit and not take everything so seriously?

I’m just challenging your opinion, and the opinion of others, that everything has to be backed up by data on an opinion inspired forum.
I have no beef with you - actually tried to offer an olive branch to you just before Christmas which you chose to ignore perhaps unwittingly.
And for what it’s worth - my last comment was said light heartedly ( I laughed when you responded).
Though I will offer that perhaps you could take your own advice and minimise the posts that ridicule and demean those with opinions other than your own.
Peace brother

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Where did I state any cheats should be patted on the back? Your'e making stuff up to suit your POV.
Clubs who rort ARE better off. Check the premiership winners of every one of the last 14 or so seasons, their had been more than a strong whiff of rorting- including a few that have been caught cheating in their premiership winning season. WT were even caught over the cap in '06 or thereabouts and fined IIRC. Clubs that rort win premierships, going back to 2004 there is more than enough evidence to suggest this unless your head is buried in the sand or another orifice. Storm, Sharks, Roosters, Manly titles in particular are very iffy at best. Throw in NQ with their "free houses" incentive. South's with Rusty and his brown paper Gucci bags, Dragons and their "Gasnier is happy to play for a packet of chips and a Pepsi" contract, and the Broncos "thoroughbreds bonuses".
Good-guy clubs playing by the rules finish at the arse end of the comp. Its pretty simple really.

**Well sadly there are some on here that will expect you to submit spreadsheets in triplicate before making comments like that**. I however back you 100%. Look at the roster of 2018 premiers as exhibit A. As for NRL sticking their heads up each other’s butts - they found Sharks rorted the cap either side of their premiership but amazingly were compliant in the year they won the Comp. what a load of Greenturd!!

Damn straight when they are based on conspiracy theories

Funny you should stick your head up

Head up where though? That is the part in question in this instance.

 

[Russell]

Posted this in the Who do we offload?thread over a week ago, to highlight the severity of the punishment. There's no way people can say the overall penalties handed down aren't harsh.

Yes it might be a bit of a relief knowing we have the option to request the club be allowed to spread out the cap penalty, however it’s still pretty harsh given the circumstances.
If you look at the most notable cap breaches in NRL history we’ve been penalised $300k less than Melb were but over $300k more than Parra. The club whose sanction with the closest similarities to ours is Manly - 2 club officials banned- yet their fine was still $600k less than ours.
So if you consider why we’ve been sanctioned in comparison to those 3 teams, I feel we’ve been very hard done by.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rugby_League_salary_cap
Melbourne season 2010
The Melbourne Storm salary cap breach was a gross breach of salary cap over a period of five years. The NRL's discovery of these breaches in 2010 resulted in the Storm being fined a record $1.689 million, stripped of the 2007 and 2009 premierships, the 2006, 2007 and 2009 minor premierships and the 2010 World Club Challenge, and ordering them to play for zero points, effectively sentencing them to finish the 2010 NRL season (of which 75% was still to be played) with the wooden spoon.
Paramatta Eels season 2016
Main article: Parramatta Eels salary cap breach
The Parramatta Eels were fined $1 million and stripped of their 2016 NRL Auckland Nines title after they were found to be over the salary cap by over $500,000\. They were also stripped of the 12 competition points they had earned so far. They were not allowed to earn any further points until they fell back under the cap.
Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles season 2018
In 2018, Manly were fined $750,000 and two of the club's officials received 12 month bans after The NRL found that they had breached the salary cap over the previous five seasons. The breaches involve 15 players over five years, totalling $1.5 million. Unlike Parramatta and other teams who have breached the salary cap, Manly did not receive any competition points deduction.

I think Manly got of very lightly but the other 2 lost competition points and the Storm lost Premierships, we have been punished nowhere near as harshly as those 2 teams.

You are correct - "we have been punished nowhere near as harshly as those 2 teams" - however….

What you are are confused with is the level of the crime.

Severity chart: If Melbourne, Parramatta etc, are gulity of murder, Manly guilty of manslaughter.....

Then at worst we are guilty of holding up a 4711 with a plastic spoon.

However you think we should be punished at the same level.... you are way off the mark and I am certainly glad you are not running our justice system.

 

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Damn straight when they are based on conspiracy theories

Funny you should stick your head up

Mate, i’m sorry that I challenged your opinion once or twice and you’ve never been able to get over it, consequently you constantly feel the need to dig at me, most often indirectly. Idk what to say, maybe lighten up a bit and not take everything so seriously?

**I’m just challenging your opinion, and the opinion of others, that everything has to be backed up by data on an opinion inspired forum.**
I have no beef with you - actually tried to offer an olive branch to you just before Christmas which you chose to ignore perhaps unwittingly.
And for what it’s worth - my last comment was said light heartedly ( I laughed when you responded).
Though I will offer that perhaps you could take your own advice and minimise the posts that ridicule and demean those with opinions other than your own.
Peace brother

Except you didn’t challenge my opinion. You quoted FTB. If you want to challenge my opinion, reply to me, don’t have sly little digs by replying to others. Anyway, i don’t wanna derail this thread anymore than it currently has been. It’s getting boring for everyone else now.