Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

[happy_tiger]

I think factually we did the wrong thing. This though is a fair point. Other clubs play games like this all the time and get away with it. I just hope other clubs get caught out as well.

I don't care what other clubs have supposedly done, we broke the rules and got caught. The everybody else is doing it excuse is childish, especially when there is no proof of that. Though I donn't agree with the testimonial games the clubs involved sought and obtained permission for those games, we didn't do that and that is why we are in trouble.

The best way to approach it in my opinion is to accept it, try and get the least possible penalty possible and most importantly learn from it.

The facts though seem pretty clear cut to me. We tried to hide a payout. That is bad. It wasn't a huge rort but it's a clear cut case of rorting.

I do think other clubs though are clearly doing this. Look at Thurston being offered an on-going role at the club.

Is there any evidence that Thurston’s role isn’t above board?

I guess the fact we were dumb enough to advertise to all and sundry when Robbie got his life membership that we were wanting to give him a job after footy and then sounds like we tried to hide it says enough

And I guess with any post football career , there is no reason an external sponsor couldn't kick some money in to pay a Thurston , Smith , Minichello etc as a player doesn't come under salary cap ….....

Actually the more you think about it , the dumber we actually look (accidently or purposely ) :brick:

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Problem for me is that I don't trust Greenburg and the NRL at all. Whatever Pascoe may or may not have intentionally or inadvertently done, Greenburg has done worse whilst with the Dogs, and is doing worse now with the NRL.

The whole NRL is run by money, Fox, Politis, they are all corrupt and dirty as. So they come down 'hard' on salary cap cheating by finding something one of the little teams did, openly, four years ago, whilst holding 'testimonial games' with hundreds of thousands of dollars going to players salary-cap free??

It's utter rubbish. I'm not saying we definitely did nothing wrong, but the whole thing makes me sick.

I’m with you TT. I don’t know who’s in whose pocket, who the powerbrokers are or what the agenda is but it just seems like there is amazing inequity and a lot of turning a blind eye. To quote a great movie: “the whole thing stinks like yesterday’s diapers!!”

Yep I'm with you too. Anyone who honestly thinks that there is no bias in the NRL and every club is on an even playing field have their heads in the sand and they just do not want to know.

 

[gallagher]

Problem for me is that I don't trust Greenburg and the NRL at all. Whatever Pascoe may or may not have intentionally or inadvertently done, Greenburg has done worse whilst with the Dogs, and is doing worse now with the NRL.

The whole NRL is run by money, Fox, Politis, they are all corrupt and dirty as. So they come down 'hard' on salary cap cheating by finding something one of the little teams did, openly, four years ago, whilst holding 'testimonial games' with hundreds of thousands of dollars going to players salary-cap free??

It's utter rubbish. I'm not saying we definitely did nothing wrong, but the whole thing makes me sick.

I’m with you TT. I don’t know who’s in whose pocket, who the powerbrokers are or what the agenda is but it just seems like there is amazing inequity and a lot of turning a blind eye. To quote a great movie: “the whole thing stinks like yesterday’s diapers!!”

Yep I'm with you too. Anyone who honestly thinks that there is no bias in the NRL and every club is on an even playing field have their heads in the sand and they just do not want to know.

As far as cheating the cap? I think they are just clueless on policing it, and to be honest how do you police $20k games of golf? I dont think there is a bias.

 

[happy_tiger]

Problem for me is that I don't trust Greenburg and the NRL at all. Whatever Pascoe may or may not have intentionally or inadvertently done, Greenburg has done worse whilst with the Dogs, and is doing worse now with the NRL.

The whole NRL is run by money, Fox, Politis, they are all corrupt and dirty as. So they come down 'hard' on salary cap cheating by finding something one of the little teams did, openly, four years ago, whilst holding 'testimonial games' with hundreds of thousands of dollars going to players salary-cap free??

It's utter rubbish. I'm not saying we definitely did nothing wrong, but the whole thing makes me sick.

I’m with you TT. I don’t know who’s in whose pocket, who the powerbrokers are or what the agenda is but it just seems like there is amazing inequity and a lot of turning a blind eye. To quote a great movie: “the whole thing stinks like yesterday’s diapers!!”

Yep I'm with you too. Anyone who honestly thinks that there is no bias in the NRL and every club is on an even playing field have their heads in the sand and they just do not want to know.

As far as cheating the cap? I think they are just clueless on policing it, and to be honest how do you police $20k games of golf? I dont think there is a bias.

Exactly , it's like cash jobs for tradies …..unless you actually set them up what can you do ......maybe that's the answer .......the NRL have fake people trying to set up TPA's to see how clubs actually handle them :bulb:

 

[Newtown]

I’m with you TT. I don’t know who’s in whose pocket, who the powerbrokers are or what the agenda is but it just seems like there is amazing inequity and a lot of turning a blind eye. To quote a great movie: “the whole thing stinks like yesterday’s diapers!!”

Yep I'm with you too. Anyone who honestly thinks that there is no bias in the NRL and every club is on an even playing field have their heads in the sand and they just do not want to know.

As far as cheating the cap? I think they are just clueless on policing it, and to be honest how do you police $20k games of golf? I dont think there is a bias.

Exactly , it's like cash jobs for tradies …..unless you actually set them up what can you do ......maybe that's the answer .......the NRL have fake people trying to set up TPA's to see how clubs actually handle them :bulb:

The only way to police TPA's is to ban them altogether. why doesn't the NRL do it?

 

[gallagher]

Yep I'm with you too. Anyone who honestly thinks that there is no bias in the NRL and every club is on an even playing field have their heads in the sand and they just do not want to know.

As far as cheating the cap? I think they are just clueless on policing it, and to be honest how do you police $20k games of golf? I dont think there is a bias.

Exactly , it's like cash jobs for tradies …..unless you actually set them up what can you do ......maybe that's the answer .......the NRL have fake people trying to set up TPA's to see how clubs actually handle them :bulb:

The only way to police TPA's is to ban them altogether. why doesn't the NRL do it?

TPA's are fine, it's the brown paper bags and the le that is the rort. How do you police that?

 

[Newtown]

As far as cheating the cap? I think they are just clueless on policing it, and to be honest how do you police $20k games of golf? I dont think there is a bias.

Exactly , it's like cash jobs for tradies …..unless you actually set them up what can you do ......maybe that's the answer .......the NRL have fake people trying to set up TPA's to see how clubs actually handle them :bulb:

The only way to police TPA's is to ban them altogether. why doesn't the NRL do it?

TPA's are fine, it's the brown paper bags and the le that is the rort. How do you police that?

Greenburg looks to have spent a large amount of NRL financial resources chasing Pascoe. If Greenburg was as vigilant with the big clubs as he is with clubs like WT he would charge with fraud the next administrator pushing brown bags.

 

[earl]

Is there any evidence that Thurston’s role isn’t above board?

It sounds pretty much the same thing as what the Tigers have done with Robbie. I suppose we were stupid enough to put a contract together to get him out of the club but there is no difference between that and the Cowboys stating we will take care of Thurston long term.

I don't think what we've done with Robbie is that bad. I do think it's illegal and probably exactly how other clubs handle illegal payments. Maybe some clubs handle it more professionally but the purpose and result is exactly the same.

Our issue shows up how dodgy TPA's really are.

 

[Geo]

Yep I'm with you too. Anyone who honestly thinks that there is no bias in the NRL and every club is on an even playing field have their heads in the sand and they just do not want to know.

As far as cheating the cap? I think they are just clueless on policing it, and to be honest how do you police $20k games of golf? I dont think there is a bias.

Exactly , it's like cash jobs for tradies …..unless you actually set them up what can you do ......maybe that's the answer .......the NRL have fake people trying to set up TPA's to see how clubs actually handle them :bulb:

The only way to police TPA's is to ban them altogether. why doesn't the NRL do it?

Because you can't stop a person earning an income from their own intellectual property or brand…

 

[gallagher]

Exactly , it's like cash jobs for tradies …..unless you actually set them up what can you do ......maybe that's the answer .......the NRL have fake people trying to set up TPA's to see how clubs actually handle them :bulb:

The only way to police TPA's is to ban them altogether. why doesn't the NRL do it?

TPA's are fine, it's the brown paper bags and the le that is the rort. How do you police that?

Greenburg looks to have spent a large amount of NRL financial resources chasing Pascoe. If Greenburg was as vigilant with the big clubs as he is with clubs like WT he would charge with fraud the next administrator pushing brown bags.

The biggest cases of salary cap cheating was the dogs and the storm. Two of the biggest clubs in the comp.

 

[Newtown]

As far as cheating the cap? I think they are just clueless on policing it, and to be honest how do you police $20k games of golf? I dont think there is a bias.

Exactly , it's like cash jobs for tradies …..unless you actually set them up what can you do ......maybe that's the answer .......the NRL have fake people trying to set up TPA's to see how clubs actually handle them :bulb:

The only way to police TPA's is to ban them altogether. why doesn't the NRL do it?

Because you can't stop a person earning an income from their own intellectual property or brand…

Sure, but why can't the NRL via the Taxation department check how much these players are really earning from their own intellectual property or brand?

 

[sheer64]

Exactly , it's like cash jobs for tradies …..unless you actually set them up what can you do ......maybe that's the answer .......the NRL have fake people trying to set up TPA's to see how clubs actually handle them :bulb:

The only way to police TPA's is to ban them altogether. why doesn't the NRL do it?

Because you can't stop a person earning an income from their own intellectual property or brand…

Sure, but why can't the **NRL via the Taxation department check how much these players are really earning** from their own intellectual property or brand?

Because cash under the table will always be the way around it.

 

[gallagher]

The only way to police TPA's is to ban them altogether. why doesn't the NRL do it?

Because you can't stop a person earning an income from their own intellectual property or brand…

Sure, but why can't the **NRL via the Taxation department check how much these players are really earning** from their own intellectual property or brand?

Because cash under the table will always be the way around it.

I think he's hoping the players would declare their winnings from golf games to the taxman. :roll

 

[Newtown]

Because you can't stop a person earning an income from their own intellectual property or brand…

Sure, but why can't the **NRL via the Taxation department check how much these players are really earning** from their own intellectual property or brand?

Because cash under the table will always be the way around it.

I think he's hoping the players would declare their winnings from golf games to the taxman. :roll

If they did declare their winnings from golf games the taxman would think they were Golf Open professionals not rugby league players.

 

[JD Tiger]

Because you can't stop a person earning an income from their own intellectual property or brand…

Sure, but why can't the **NRL via the Taxation department check how much these players are really earning** from their own intellectual property or brand?

Because cash under the table will always be the way around it.

I think he's hoping the players would declare their winnings from golf games to the taxman. :roll

I would hope NRL is doing something with the ATO. Make it hard for players so they can't deposit $20k into their bank accounts without questions being asked. We aren't just talking about undeclared income, but money laundering as well. Surely the ATO and some other authority agencies may be interested in that.

 

[gallagher]

Sure, but why can't the **NRL via the Taxation department check how much these players are really earning** from their own intellectual property or brand?

Because cash under the table will always be the way around it.

I think he's hoping the players would declare their winnings from golf games to the taxman. :roll

I would hope NRL is doing something with the ATO. Make it hard for players so they can't deposit $20k into their bank accounts without questions being asked. We aren't just talking about undeclared income, but money laundering as well. Surely the ATO and some other authority agencies may be interested in that.

That's for the ATO to chase up not the NRL.

 

[gallagher]

Sure, but why can't the **NRL via the Taxation department check how much these players are really earning** from their own intellectual property or brand?

Because cash under the table will always be the way around it.

I think he's hoping the players would declare their winnings from golf games to the taxman. :roll

If they did declare their winnings from golf games the taxman would think they were Golf Open professionals not rugby league players.

So tell me how to catch and stop the rorting? You make it sound so easy.

 

[rex2ce]

Exactly , it's like cash jobs for tradies …..unless you actually set them up what can you do ......maybe that's the answer .......the NRL have fake people trying to set up TPA's to see how clubs actually handle them :bulb:

The only way to police TPA's is to ban them altogether. why doesn't the NRL do it?

TPA's are fine, it's the brown paper bags and the le that is the rort. How do you police that?

Greenburg looks to have spent a large amount of NRL financial resources chasing Pascoe. If Greenburg was as vigilant with the big clubs as he is with clubs like WT he would charge with fraud the next administrator pushing brown bags.

As I said in an earlier page of this thread, game,set, match, Pascoe has made a mistake , we will pay the penalty cap wise, West’s Ashfield could probs pay him his salary to pick up glasses in the club if the board want to keep him, the only saving grace for our cap is the stupidity of Musgrove and MCK, which may allow us to upgrade some ISP players to our top 30 , other than that with three still to sign, we will be penalised for being over the cap this year too.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Well maybe you’d never catch rorting like golf games etc. but you know it’s happening. So you apply a relentless blow torch to the offending club in every other area of their administration- waiting for an opportunity to catch them out on a lesser offence. Then nail them.
I knew a staff member was running down staff members and becoming acid to our organisation- but I couldn’t prove it. Ended up sacking him for being late for work. NRL, if they are fair dinkum, need to adopt the same approach. They don’t, and it makes me wonder why??

 

[gallagher]

Well maybe you’d never catch rorting like golf games etc. but you know it’s happening. So you apply a relentless blow torch to the offending club in every other area of their administration- waiting for an opportunity to catch them out on a lesser offence. Then nail them.
I knew a staff member was running down staff members and becoming acid to our organisation- but I couldn’t prove it. Ended up sacking him for being late for work. NRL, if they are fair dinkum, need to adopt the same approach. They don’t, and it makes me wonder why??

Maybe they are Steve but these clubs are very smart and keep everything off the books. Meanwhile , when dumb arse clubs like us stuff up they have to ping us.