Paul Momirovski

[jirskyr]

Predictable to see this thread pop up. His team wins the comp and now suddenly we’ve lost the best centre in the comp.

He is a squad filler at Panthers and would have been a squad filler here. I’d take Laurie every day of the week and if he stayed at Panthers this year there is every chance he could have backflipped.

The only reason Momirovski played is because Penrith lost faith in Staines and Naden as wingers, got rid of Mansour last year, preferred Crichton to wing.

The comments in this thread are madness. Solid, reliable, respectable player, but Mommers has been gifted 3 premiership rings by being a bit-player in far superior rosters. Proven by the fact he only actually played one GF in those 3 premiership tilts.

 

[twentyforty]

Shows how bad we've been for a decade when a player like Momers can get so much attention... at almost every other club he's just an okay player but we've got fans talking about him like he's Mal Meninga

Good on him, had a solid season and got his ring. Having him at tigers would've made very little difference this year

His defence would of made a huge difference this season alone, Robinson didn’t want him to leave the Roosters Bellamy wanted him and Clearly also wanted him, but he wasn’t good enough for WT, go figure.

If he was going to play in the middle and make an effort to control the ruck speed than maybe yes but no he wasn’t. Our edges were loose because there was a lack of control by our ruck.
Hard in hindsight to imagine but would an extra year of playing second fiddle hindered or harnessed Daine Laurie? That’s what needs to be considered in the Momo trade argument.

Is it possible that Cleary always wanted Moma at the Panthers? And his WT experience was always going to be temporary? When Cleary was at WT unlike Maguire, he had total control of the team and recruitment. He’s a good coach with a lot of experience.

I wonder if he has full control of recruitment at the panthers? His biggest recruits since he took over was Capewell and Tetavano. I’d estimate costing $400k each. I don’t see him spending $800k for 4 incoming players.
An argument could be made that Tetavano is a better prop than Packer and probably would of been more justified on 800k at the tigers.
Well Capewell rejected the tigers twice; once when Ivan was at the helm. Instead we probably spent that $400k on Robbie Rochoe.
He is a good coach, regardless though he didn’t need to be so reckless with our salary cap.

If in order to be a good coach, a necessary quality is to have a picture of your future firmly planted in your mind, then It’s not out of the question. Yes he did treat our crap with a lack of respect while continually saying he would love to coach Nathan a Penrith junior. It only required a ransom note saying ‘we’ve got your son’. Of course he has vision of at least 1-3 years into the future, same as Maguire would have. Only difference is Maguire’s team colours are probably unchanged.

 

[cochise]

Love Momers - it ain't always about the flash stuff.

Nobody is saying he would have won us a premiership, but he would have most certainly improved one of our fragile edges.

And we would have been weaker at Fullback and had no backup in the halves.

 

[Geo]

Good on him

 

[tigerbalm]

Times are bad if Momo is being lamented.

 

[cochise]

We are such a stupid club. Momirovski was too good for us. He was vital in many games for Penrith at centre. He's such a quality finisher and was so at our club too.

I completely disagree. Even if we had Laurie and Momirovski playing for us, we would still be finishing between 11-14. Momo is a solid player and has definitely lifted this year behind one of the fittesy and most confident team in recent memory. He wouldn't have been this good for us.

Disagree with what? That we aren't a stupid club? That he wasn't a good finisher? What about my comment was untrue? We had him, a solid player like you said, behind two washed up plodders in BJ Leilua and James Roberts. It's embarrassing. We need hardworking solid outside backs like him at our club, and we let him go to get Daine Laurie a year early, even though we were already getting Laurie. Did Laurie help us finish any higher than the bottom 4? Patience would have kept Momo and we would have gotten Laurie in 2022.

We are not a club in a position to throw away decent players and keep losers. Momo was a good player for us, and shrewd signing off the Roosters, yet we decided he was dispensable.

He had one year left on his contract, we have no depth at fullback and 5/8th. Swapping him got us depth in both and a player who was committed to the club longer term.

 

[twentyforty]

Times are bad if Momo is being lamented.

Haha, no not quite. I think many fans don’t understand the underlying motivation which compels the club to drop a good player and keep 2 duds, then tell him he’s behind a third dud, which we’re hoping may develop. Hahaha.
Can’t crack a start at WT, but GF teams want him? Lol gotta be more to this story?

It’s novel for us, usually we get players who can’t get a start at other clubs, it’s kinda put us on the back foot to have that reversed.

 

[cochise]

Times are bad if Momo is being lamented.


Haha, no not quite. I think many fans don’t understand the underlying motivation which compels the club to drop a good player and keep 2 duds, then tell him he’s behind a third dud, which we’re hoping may develop. Hahaha.
Can’t crack a start at WT, but GF teams want him? Lol gotta be more to this story?

We were short at 5/8th and fullback?

 

[twentyforty]

Times are bad if Momo is being lamented.


Haha, no not quite. I think many fans don’t understand the underlying motivation which compels the club to drop a good player and keep 2 duds, then tell him he’s behind a third dud, which we’re hoping may develop. Hahaha.
Can’t crack a start at WT, but GF teams want him? Lol gotta be more to this story?

We were short at 5/8th and fullback?

And didn’t want to be short of a coach too?

Times are bad if Momo is being lamented.


Haha, no not quite. I think many fans don’t understand the underlying motivation which compels the club to drop a good player and keep 2 duds, then tell him he’s behind a third dud, which we’re hoping may develop. Hahaha.
Can’t crack a start at WT, but GF teams want him? Lol gotta be more to this story?

We were short at 5/8th and fullback?

And didn’t want to be short a coach as well?
After trying Doueihi, then Moma it was imperative to find a proper fullback, I get that now, considering some on the board want Maguire gone. What’s not obvious (to me) is the reason for relegating Moma to KOE because he’s clearly apart from Doueihi, our best centre.

 

[cochise]

Times are bad if Momo is being lamented.


Haha, no not quite. I think many fans don’t understand the underlying motivation which compels the club to drop a good player and keep 2 duds, then tell him he’s behind a third dud, which we’re hoping may develop. Hahaha.
Can’t crack a start at WT, but GF teams want him? Lol gotta be more to this story?

We were short at 5/8th and fullback?

And didn’t want to be short of a coach too?

Times are bad if Momo is being lamented.


Haha, no not quite. I think many fans don’t understand the underlying motivation which compels the club to drop a good player and keep 2 duds, then tell him he’s behind a third dud, which we’re hoping may develop. Hahaha.
Can’t crack a start at WT, but GF teams want him? Lol gotta be more to this story?

We were short at 5/8th and fullback?


And didn’t want to be short a coach as well?
After trying Doueihi, then Moma it was imperative to find a proper fullback, I get that now, considering some on the board want Maguire gone. What’s not obvious (to me) is the reason for relegating Moma to KOE because he’s clearly apart from Doueihi, our best centre.

When was he relegated to KOE? I would have started the year with Joey and Roberts but has things played out he would have got time in the centres and been our best option. Point is though we needed to bring Laurie across and sadly Momo was the carrot to do so.

 

[twentyforty]

Times are bad if Momo is being lamented.


Haha, no not quite. I think many fans don’t understand the underlying motivation which compels the club to drop a good player and keep 2 duds, then tell him he’s behind a third dud, which we’re hoping may develop. Hahaha.
Can’t crack a start at WT, but GF teams want him? Lol gotta be more to this story?

We were short at 5/8th and fullback?

And didn’t want to be short of a coach too?

Times are bad if Momo is being lamented.


Haha, no not quite. I think many fans don’t understand the underlying motivation which compels the club to drop a good player and keep 2 duds, then tell him he’s behind a third dud, which we’re hoping may develop. Hahaha.
Can’t crack a start at WT, but GF teams want him? Lol gotta be more to this story?

We were short at 5/8th and fullback?


And didn’t want to be short a coach as well?
After trying Doueihi, then Moma it was imperative to find a proper fullback, I get that now, considering some on the board want Maguire gone. What’s not obvious (to me) is the reason for relegating Moma to KOE because he’s clearly apart from Doueihi, our best centre.

When was he relegated to KOE? I would have started the year with Joey and Roberts but has things played out he would have got time in the centres and been our best option. Point is though we needed to bring Laurie across and sadly Momo was the carrot to do so.

Moma did an interview with the Herald soon after the transfer and is quoted several times in the article. My understanding of events is when he was told he sits behind at least 3 centres he then asked for a release, which was initially refused. The panthers option surfaced and he thought at the time it was his best opportunity to play NRL. It was purely a business decision on his part, as he stated, he left on good terms and was very respectful. I recall at the time many posters were in agreeance with him not being good enough to unseat BJ, Jet or TT.
I wonder if any of those centres we have would have played better in his place? Moma was given a player rating of equal to or better than 9 players by the Mole.

 

[Plisskin]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Momo was a recruit Cleary got right for us when he got him from Roosters. Good luck to him.
Do think for Tigers getting Laurie probably outweighs Momo
In hindsight keeping momo and letting Joey L go would have turned out well but oh well

 

[Tiger5150]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

THE POINT is that the club took a punt and released a good average first grader to get Laurie early. It was the right decision. Momo would not have got us to the 8. We were a stronger squad with Laurie in it and Momo out that the other way around. That is the point.

 

[Plisskin]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

As for your “point” you can not qualify or quantify any of it.

 

[tigerballs]

Like to congratulate this guy


Hell of a player

Solid player.
Never should have made that trade.
We only needed to stay patient to get Laurie anyway.

This!
I have been sitting on the fence re Maguire, but not any more.
Maguire asks us all to be patient, "we're building a team, it takes time." The Momirovski trade flies in the face of that.
If we had waited, we would have two good players, not one, next season.
It looks to me like Maguire was chasing some instant gratification instead of patiently building (getting it right) and as a result made a questionable retention decision. The fact that Momirovski can walk straight into the starting 17 of a now premiership side tells me that Maguire missed something there.
That is, of course, unless the decision came from above.

Harriman’s call

 

[Tiger5150]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

 

[Geo]

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Well except both were signed for 2022..

Building the team that takes time..

Forgetting all that ..If Momirovski was on the market now ..would Wests Tigers sign him..IMO yes..

 

[Plisskin]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

 

[Tiger5150]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Makes sense that if you think professional risk management involves imaginary risks that you consider imaginary scenarios involving contracts. Im sure it correlates with most of the imaginary aspects of you and your alts.

I'll leave our conversation here, wont engage with you and your imagination here. Beside the fact that you are boring myself and others with your intransigence, I dont want to trigger you into another ban and the birth of yet another alt.