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MacDougall
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You're all old irrelevant stooges. The Australian Labia party is the future. Most left wing government in history. Greens with power. Australia is finally reflecting it's youthful, multicultural population rather than all you middle of the road, has-beens. Go sob into your liberal party flags.
AndTheKungFoSing
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@Blackpearl said:
*BOOOOOOOMMMMMM* Chazz Michael Michaels style!!!!!
@stryker said:
I think it will work better than you think. You'll probably see a lot of abstaining on the part of the independents (the rural ones) which will allow passage of bills but enable them to say with a straight face that they didn't support the government. It's worked in state parliament given worse situations.
Citizen_Tiger
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@Yossarian said:
Er no Yoss, it appears that things did not go the way that 700,000 more Australians wanted, not to mention the majority of constituents in the seats of the aforesaid Independents. They won't need to wait very long though, the legislative process will become constipated soon enough. The Labor party has dozens of vested interests at the best of times, how's it going to govern as a 'coalition of the confused'? :laughing:
Juro
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Can you imagine going through another election campaign? Dear god, no!
And then if we did, there is no guarantee that we wouldn't just end up in the same spot we are now…
And then if we did, there is no guarantee that we wouldn't just end up in the same spot we are now…
Citizen_Tiger
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@Blackpearl said:
No, democracy was well and truly in bloom in 75'. I do recall an election where the people couldn't get to the polls quick enough to relieve Labor of 30 seats and so leave them with 35 or so in the House of Reps. A great day for democracy I would have thought?
Albert Field? The same Albert Field that was legally appointed under the Constitution? The same Albert Field that was expelled by the Labor Party? The same Albert Field that self appointed 'great man' Gough Whitlam systematically slandered under Parliamentary privilege, but didn't have the guts to do so outside the house? The same Albert Field who's appointment Labor challenged in the High Court, at taxpayer's expense?
And surprise, surprise the Coalition came up with a seven seat advantage in the 1975 election. If you reckon 'democracy died' in 1975, that convenient view appeared to have been shared by a smallish minority at the time.
MacDougall
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@stryker said:
Spare me the patronizing please chronie. I know that's the way they teach you to speak to younger people in right wing etiquette classes so I'll let it slide this time. You're just afraid of change, like the rest. Afraid of losing power and influence and seeing the votes of a new generation finally begin to amount for something.
Don't be afraid Stryker, the big bad Greenies aren't out to take away all your shootin', fishin' fun. They're here to try to salvage the planet from the precipice of destruction. They are Klaatu.
Keep your head buried in the sand though all you chronies. Gen Y are a noble generation. We'll happily solve your problems for you while you stand idly by waving the finger of blame at everybody else or claiming there is no problem. "It's all just media spin! You can't believe everything you read in the paper!" You'll cry while spouting headlines from an even less reputable source, Fairfax and Newslimited.
If you don't see the need for change then there is nothing else to say to you. Just going back to a far right wing government led by a fundamentalist Christian would have been the death knell to this country. This result is the only possible positive result. It was divine intervention.
@Citizen Tiger said:
Seriously if you are trying to justify the appointment of Albert Field to the Senate you are really struggling. They had to change the way Senators were appointed to casual vacancies because of what dodgy Joh did.
Yes, strictly speaking it was legal but it was another dodgy tactic by a man who Queenslanders should be ashamed of. If you really want to back his actions then we're wasting our time. At least Stryker and the other Lib backers have some common sense.
@Citizen Tiger said:
2PP was 50.01-49.99 which possibly includes Nationals votes in WA even though they aren't part of the Coalition.
Seats finished 72-72
In the divisions of the independents the majority voted against the Coalition candidates.
So let's cut the crap and deal with some reality hey?
hammertime
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$10 billion dollars in bribery's and a ministerial seat… this is the worst day in the history of Australian democracy. Surely this is the time for the GG to step in? Oh wait, her daughter is married to a labor ex-union boss....
The country is seriously now has parallels to North Korea where certain parts of the population are looked after at expense of everyone else.
The only good thing about Labor governments is that they eventually run out of other people's money. We desperately need non-compulsory voting, so the cash-handout bought rednecks who can't understand the big picture can stay at home.
The country is seriously now has parallels to North Korea where certain parts of the population are looked after at expense of everyone else.
The only good thing about Labor governments is that they eventually run out of other people's money. We desperately need non-compulsory voting, so the cash-handout bought rednecks who can't understand the big picture can stay at home.
@hammertime said:
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And the nominations for most over-the-top hyperbole of the year are…
you know, they should probably introduce a policy that prevents those bludgers on welfare from voting. I mean clearly these people aren't human and their right to vote is null and void.
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Really hammertime.
Interesting theory. Laughable. But interesting.
Although it never ceases to amaze me the remarks made from zealots on either side of our spectrum
Interesting theory. Laughable. But interesting.
Although it never ceases to amaze me the remarks made from zealots on either side of our spectrum
hammertime
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I'm just extremely angry that our democracy has been bought by the labor party with $10 BILLION dollars of taxpayers money after only 37% of the population voted for them…
How can you guys be comfortable with that?
How can you guys be comfortable with that?
@hammertime said:
49.99% 2PP and 72 seats.
Abbott offered $1b for Hobart Hospital and he would have offered more to the 3 rural indies.
I understand what you are trying to say Hammertime, but don't forget the basic premis of democracy.
Who ever can get enough votes to survive no-confidence motions can govern. Going back to the early years of Australian politics (both state and federal, pre and post federation) the candidates were all non-aligned but formed government by grouping together. Who ever could get the majority won power - that's what we are seeing today. It wasn't until the 30's (i think) until political parties were even mentioned in legislation.
In fact, the Liberal Party (or at least the early version of it) formed only when the non-Labor members grouped together against the Labor party. In this instance, they "bought" eachother's backs to ensure they could form a government
This is what we are seeing today and it's a wonderful example of our democracy in action. Have a look at the Israeli Knesset and the coalitions that they have to form in order to ensure government.
That being said, neither major party should be celebrating as neither of them got the majority, so bring on Turnbull 2011!
Who ever can get enough votes to survive no-confidence motions can govern. Going back to the early years of Australian politics (both state and federal, pre and post federation) the candidates were all non-aligned but formed government by grouping together. Who ever could get the majority won power - that's what we are seeing today. It wasn't until the 30's (i think) until political parties were even mentioned in legislation.
In fact, the Liberal Party (or at least the early version of it) formed only when the non-Labor members grouped together against the Labor party. In this instance, they "bought" eachother's backs to ensure they could form a government
This is what we are seeing today and it's a wonderful example of our democracy in action. Have a look at the Israeli Knesset and the coalitions that they have to form in order to ensure government.
That being said, neither major party should be celebrating as neither of them got the majority, so bring on Turnbull 2011!
hammertime
Well-known member
@Yossarian said:
I would have been just as upset with Abbott if it had racked up that much! But I do actually have no problems with Health spending, as I've said on here before, because it means less spending in the future for the boomers.
The worst thing is that we also have let a Governor General in power, who could actually rightly send us back to the polls, gain a political bias and not done anything about it!
OR that one of the independent has been bought through a PERSONAL benefit of a ministry!
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