Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[pHyR3]

seems okay, probably will get replaced. most new leaders of defeated parties are before election day.

Julia Gillard was the leader of the party she lead to victory in 2010 but she was replaced before the next election due to the self interest of her colleagues.

Nah, i think there was a stat that said either never, or very rarely in the last 100 years has a leader that was elected after a resounding defeat led that party to a victory in 3 years time, they either lost or were replaced.

Beazley won the 2PP in 1998\. It's hard but not impossible.

Howard was PM from 96 to 2006?? what do you mean

 

[magpiecol]

Give me a break. There are much more important things to worry about than same sex marriage. By the way, check out the meaning of marriage.

That meaning of marriage written by old white men hundreds of years ago? It's not just about marriage man, it's about the phobia that people associate with a group viewed as less than equal. When one group has a privilege others don't, they're not equal and are looked down upon by society. More important things than same sex marriage… Give me a break...

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Boy, have you got problems

 

[wtigers]

Give me a break. There are much more important things to worry about than same sex marriage. By the way, check out the meaning of marriage.

That meaning of marriage written by old white men hundreds of years ago? It's not just about marriage man, it's about the phobia that people associate with a group viewed as less than equal. When one group has a privilege others don't, they're not equal and are looked down upon by society. More important things than same sex marriage… Give me a break...

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Boy, have you got problems

Well, no actually I'm very happy with my life. I think the person with problems is the one telling other people their personal issues aren't important.

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[hammertime]

Look that's fair enough. I know it will take time. But when a group of people, even if it is a bit sketchy to the constitution, stand up and say 'we want this to help achieve a sense of equality', I really REALLY find it hard to feel anything less than contempt towards someone who says 'well I'm gonna challenge that' for any reason. It frustrates and angers me that part of our nation could finally be taking a huge step forward but because of a constitutional technicality or something, we're being forced to all take that step as one.

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I know what you are saying mate, it's just the constitution is the most important legal document in this country and it's not one where the rule is a technicallity, it's straight black and white. No PM worth his or her salt would let it slide… It would set a very dangerous precedent. Even if they did support the issue.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

This Gay Marriage thing is actually a bigger problem than many realise… For far too long minority groups have been influencing the political sphere, while the governments/political parties seem to virtually ignore the other 80% of this country.

Time to put stupid crap on the back burner, and start getting this country going forward with better infrastructure & development.

Oh... And fix the bloody Tax System so EVERYONE pays there fair share!

 

[happy_tiger]

I suppose the big point is this

Which forum members are going to be on the Senate ticket when we try and get voted in at the next election

The only fair way is to have one Qlder and one NSW men /woman

 

[Anthism]

Give me a break. There are much more important things to worry about than same sex marriage. By the way, check out the meaning of marriage.

That meaning of marriage written by old white men hundreds of years ago? It's not just about marriage man, it's about the phobia that people associate with a group viewed as less than equal. When one group has a privilege others don't, they're not equal and are looked down upon by society. More important things than same sex marriage… Give me a break...

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Boy, have you got problems

You seem to have more problems if you find something wrong with people wanting equality.
Literally problems.

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[wtigers]

This Gay Marriage thing is actually a bigger problem than many realise… For far too long minority groups have been influencing the political sphere, while the governments/political parties seem to virtually ignore the other 80% of this country.

Time to put stupid crap on the back burner, and start getting this country going forward with better infrastructure & development.

Oh... And fix the bloody Tax System so EVERYONE pays there fair share!

Their 'fair share' is not only up to opinion, but is proportional… The tax system is designed so the government can get a decent amount of money without having to take so much off the lower classes they can't pay the basic cost of living.

And if you think that minorities have been 'influencing the government for too long' then you have LITERALLY got no idea what it's like living like a minority. The world is in no way designed to cater for minorities, and it's just ignorant to imply the government is.

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[Yossarian]

Julia Gillard was the leader of the party she lead to victory in 2010 but she was replaced before the next election due to the self interest of her colleagues.

Nah, i think there was a stat that said either never, or very rarely in the last 100 years has a leader that was elected after a resounding defeat led that party to a victory in 3 years time, they either lost or were replaced.

Beazley won the 2PP in 1998\. It's hard but not impossible.

Howard was PM from 96 to 2006?? what do you mean

The Coalition won more seats in 1998 but the ALP won the two-party vote (something like 51/49).

 

[Yossarian]

I don't mind Albo…I disagree with some of his thoughts but respect him as a straight down the line sort of bloke. If Labor were serious about keeping the bastards honest so to speak then he was the man for the job and it seems the majority of members agree.

Personally I'd rather Albo. Albo came across as someone who wanted the job for what he could do with it. Shorten comes across as someone who just wants the job - sort of the ALP version of Abbott/Turnbull. That's not to say he can't be effective but it will depend on how Abbott performs.

I'm actually surprised that Shorten wanted the job now , if I was in his shoes I would of waited until the following election ,I can't see the Australian people changing back to the ALP next election barring some catastrophe

Personally think that Shorten is setting himself up for a fall , and I can't see the ALP giving him another shot in the near future if it goes pear shaped in the next 3 years

And then Rudd is always in the background

Rudd won't be back.

It's unlikely the ALP will go backwards next election particularly given the tough road Abbott has made for himself to keep his promises. Unless 2016 (or whenever) is a disaster, whoever is leader for that election would have a massive chance of being leader for the next election. I also think he believes Abbott is genuinely vulnerable next election. This may or may not be true but Shorten seems to believe it.

 

[Yossarian]

Look that's fair enough. I know it will take time. But when a group of people, even if it is a bit sketchy to the constitution, stand up and say 'we want this to help achieve a sense of equality', I really REALLY find it hard to feel anything less than contempt towards someone who says 'well I'm gonna challenge that' for any reason. It frustrates and angers me that part of our nation could finally be taking a huge step forward but because of a constitutional technicality or something, we're being forced to all take that step as one.

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I know what you are saying mate, it's just the constitution is the most important legal document in this country and it's not one where the rule is a technicallity, it's straight black and white. No PM worth his or her salt would let it slide… It would set a very dangerous precedent. Even if they did support the issue.

Same sex marriage doesn't require a constitutional amendment… The Marriage Act can be changed by an act of parliament.

 

[happy_tiger]

I wasn't alluding to a leadership challenge from Rudd Yoss, Rudd will do enough harm just being there in my opinion

 

[Yossarian]

I wasn't alluding to a leadership challenge from Rudd Yoss, Rudd will do enough harm just being there in my opinion

I dunno. He had a reason to be destabalising before - he doesn't now.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

This Gay Marriage thing is actually a bigger problem than many realise… For far too long minority groups have been influencing the political sphere, while the governments/political parties seem to virtually ignore the other 80% of this country.

Time to put stupid crap on the back burner, and start getting this country going forward with better infrastructure & development.

Oh... And fix the bloody Tax System so EVERYONE pays there fair share!

Their 'fair share' is not only up to opinion, but is proportional… The tax system is designed so the government can get a decent amount of money without having to take so much off the lower classes they can't pay the basic cost of living.

And if you think that minorities have been 'influencing the government for too long' then you have LITERALLY got no idea what it's like living like a minority. The world is in no way designed to cater for minorities, and it's just ignorant to imply the government is.

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'cant pay the cost of living' is just spin to get peoples heart strings going… Tracy Grimshaw is the greatest explointant of this BS. 99% of these free-loaders you are talking about probably have TV's in there homes, have clean clothes and probably aren't forced to eat rice 7 nights a week. Until this is the case, I don't give a stuff about them or there whining. They should pay there way and their fair share of tax!

And if you don't think the current political system in Australia is catering to minority groups, your smoking the wrong pipe...

 

[Newtown]

This Gay Marriage thing is actually a bigger problem than many realise… For far too long minority groups have been influencing the political sphere, while the governments/political parties seem to virtually ignore the other 80% of this country.

Time to put stupid crap on the back burner, and start getting this country going forward with better infrastructure & development.

During the election Rudd put it on his list of promises. It hardly had an impact.

 

[wtigers]

This Gay Marriage thing is actually a bigger problem than many realise… For far too long minority groups have been influencing the political sphere, while the governments/political parties seem to virtually ignore the other 80% of this country.

Time to put stupid crap on the back burner, and start getting this country going forward with better infrastructure & development.

Oh... And fix the bloody Tax System so EVERYONE pays there fair share!

Their 'fair share' is not only up to opinion, but is proportional… The tax system is designed so the government can get a decent amount of money without having to take so much off the lower classes they can't pay the basic cost of living.

And if you think that minorities have been 'influencing the government for too long' then you have LITERALLY got no idea what it's like living like a minority. The world is in no way designed to cater for minorities, and it's just ignorant to imply the government is.

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'cant pay the cost of living' is just spin to get peoples heart strings going… Tracy Grimshaw is the greatest explointant of this BS. 99% of these free-loaders you are talking about probably have TV's in there homes, have clean clothes and probably aren't forced to eat rice 7 nights a week. Until this is the case, I don't give a stuff about them or there whining. They should pay there way and their fair share of tax!

And if you don't think the current political system in Australia is catering to minority groups, your smoking the wrong pipe...

Poverty doesn't mean you can't have luxuries. Poverty doesn't mean you have to eat rice 7 days a week.
I don't think you know what being poor means. I think you've got a whole lot of cash and it's been taxed from you and now you're complaining about how downtrodden you are.

Please, tell me how the government is just catering to minorities? And trying to assure that have their rights is not 'catering to them'… But id be interested to see how the government keeps ignoring white men in favour of all the minorities...
Smh...

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to say that the government is catering to minorities?

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[Tiger_Watto]

lol… If you can afford luxuries, you are not living in poverty!

One of the favourite places I have visited recently is the Isle of Lifou. These people have nothing but are very happy in life?!

They aren't interested in gay marriage either...

 

[wtigers]

lol… If you can afford luxuries, you are not living in poverty!

One of the favourite places I have visited recently is the Isle of Lifou. These people have nothing but are very happy in life?!

They aren't interested in gay marriage either...

I'm not from the Isle of Lifou, I'm from Australia. And I, like many other Australians, care passionately about marriage equality. You, as a member of the majority, shouldn't be allowed to decide the rights of the minority. In what world of fairness does that work? You complain about how everyone should pay 'fair taxes' but apparently the rest of the world is fair if you benefit from it and other people don't. You, judging by what you've posted here so far, seem to think that the world is treating you badly and ignoring you but please, PLEASE tell me why rights have been afforded to others that haven't been afforded you? Tell me what situations in which an aspect of your life, whether it be race, gender, sexuality etc, leaves you downtrodden in the world.

If I seem overly angry in this message, it's because I'm really sick of being told my rights arent 'priority' 'necessary' or 'valid'

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[Tiger_Watto]

If you think your rights are being taken away from you, you should engage a lawyer….

I don't think the world is treating me badly, I just want a fairer tax system so I can afford to buy a new Yacht!

 

[Flippedy]

Give me a break. There are much more important things to worry about than same sex marriage. By the way, check out the meaning of marriage.

Says someone who has obviously never had his human rights violated or restricted :unamused: