Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[stevetiger]

If he takes the leash off this team there's no reason why they can't improve next yr.

The problem that I have with Taylor is that he was terrible this year and I think we underachieved. He needs to change that around.

I honestly don't even think our squad is that bad. Richards was the weak link in the backline along with depth and hopefully we will fix those areas next year.

I think our forwards may need some help next year as Galloway is gone but basically I think our team is okay. JT has enough to work with if he tries and plays positive footy.

When it comes to who applied for what I don't care. I just expect the coach to pick the right team, put a decent game plan together and to act with some class. The rest is up to the players.

Everyone talks up the talent of these kids, so if they're allowed to play their natural games, what's the problem?

This is the problem though with Taylor. He honestly appeared to be coming up with game plans that were designed for unskillful, defence orientated players.

I hope that Taylor realizes that he stuffed up and has the team playing to our strengths. I think players like Tedesco, Moses, Brooks, Nofo, Simona along with Taupau, Woods, Ava and maybe even Cherrington have the ability to play to a pretty high standard.

 

[NT_Tiger]

I'm not convinced about Taylor, either way.
I have quite a bit of experience training/coaching/mentoring teams of men in a non NRL context. Sometimes I had to resort to 'extreme' methods, especially when training upcoming leaders. Basically I had to explain what I thought was the right way to go about things, often going back to basics. Then I had to stand back and let the new 'leader' lead.
It's not easy to watch pretty major mistakes being made, especially when there is a lot at stake. If I had interfered, micro-managed, the learner wasn't really in control and they would learn nothing. But by leaving them responsible for the result, the lessons get learned, by experience. And they stick. That's how I read Taylorball.
I don't know enough about NRL coaching to know for sure, so I'm speculating based on my own experience. But on that basis I'm prepared to see what Taylor has to offer next season.

 

[Newtown]

I really believe that towards the end of the season Taylor finally realised that his players were much more skilful than he had originally thought. I also believe that by this time he also realised that the "Taylorball" he had been forcing the team to play to was an embarrassing waste of time. Wise men learn and I hope he has learnt from his silly mistakes.

 

[Black_n_White]

I'm not convinced about Taylor, either way.
I have quite a bit of experience training/coaching/mentoring teams of men in a non NRL context. Sometimes I had to resort to 'extreme' methods, especially when training upcoming leaders. Basically I had to explain what I thought was the right way to go about things, often going back to basics. Then I had to stand back and let the new 'leader' lead.
It's not easy to watch pretty major mistakes being made, especially when there is a lot at stake. If I had interfered, micro-managed, the learner wasn't really in control and they would learn nothing. But by leaving them responsible for the result, the lessons get learned, by experience. And they stick. That's how I read Taylorball.
I don't know enough about NRL coaching to know for sure, so I'm speculating based on my own experience. But on that basis I'm prepared to see what Taylor has to offer next season.

NT Tiger, you have pretty much explained how I saw Taylorball…

An investment in breaking old habits, instilling faith in a more defensive system which could keep them in the contest, even win them games if they were competent for the full 80, which they often werent. It was mind numbing as all hell to watch, though for some fans to think that he walked in the door and layed all his cards out there from the get go, and that the training wheels period was his end game is pretty funny.

 

[Tigerspirit]

I'm not convinced about Taylor, either way.
I have quite a bit of experience training/coaching/mentoring teams of men in a non NRL context. Sometimes I had to resort to 'extreme' methods, especially when training upcoming leaders. Basically I had to explain what I thought was the right way to go about things, often going back to basics. Then I had to stand back and let the new 'leader' lead.
It's not easy to watch pretty major mistakes being made, especially when there is a lot at stake. If I had interfered, micro-managed, the learner wasn't really in control and they would learn nothing. But by leaving them responsible for the result, the lessons get learned, by experience. And they stick. That's how I read Taylorball.
I don't know enough about NRL coaching to know for sure, so I'm speculating based on my own experience. But on that basis I'm prepared to see what Taylor has to offer next season.

NT Tiger, you have pretty much explained how I saw Taylorball…

An investment in breaking old habits, instilling faith in a more defensive system which could keep them in the contest, even win them games if they were competent for the full 80, which they often werent. It was mind numbing as all hell to watch, though for some fans to think that he walked in the door and layed all his cards out there from the get go, and that the training wheels period was his end game is pretty funny.

Is it????
Do you think his holding onto a few Aces???
He tried to bring the Roosters gameplan to a team cultured to attack, he failed now is covering his hopeless cards by getting rid of the Captain and dismanteling the team…
Your pretty funny with your dull view on things.

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[Geo]

If he takes the leash off this team there's no reason why they can't improve next yr.

The problem that I have with Taylor is that he was terrible this year and I think we underachieved. He needs to change that around.

I honestly don't even think our squad is that bad. Richards was the weak link in the backline along with depth and hopefully we will fix those areas next year.

I think our forwards may need some help next year as Galloway is gone but basically I think our team is okay. JT has enough to work with if he tries and plays positive footy.

When it comes to who applied for what I don't care. I just expect the coach to pick the right team, put a decent game plan together and to act with some class. The rest is up to the players.

Everyone talks up the talent of these kids, so if they're allowed to play their natural games, what's the problem?

This is the problem though with Taylor. He honestly appeared to be coming up with game plans that were designed for unskillful, defence orientated players.

I hope that Taylor realizes that he stuffed up and has the team playing to our strengths. I think players like Tedesco, Moses, Brooks, Nofo, Simona along with Taupau, Woods, Ava and maybe even Cherrington have the ability to play to a pretty high standard.

Then when they complete at less than 70% which happened on quite a number of occassions last year with this skillfull set of players missing over 50 tackles in games …..what should the Coach do then...?

 

[stevetiger]

Then when they complete at less than 70% which happened on quite a number of occassions last year with this skillfull set of players missing over 50 tackles in games …..what should the Coach do then...?

I suppose they should try and win games. Do you have another suggestion ?

 

[TYGA]

The only coach with a worse record than Taylor this year was Rick Stone who was sacked. He also out coached Taylor in a head to head match up this year also.

The way I see it is we need a proper coach in place toward the end of next year so they can attract players for 2017\. No one is coming to play for Taylor.

 

[Black_n_White]

Is it????
Do you think his holding onto a few Aces???
He tried to bring the Roosters gameplan to a team cultured to attack, he failed now is covering his hopeless cards by getting rid of the Captain and dismanteling the team…
Your pretty funny with your dull view on things.

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"the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result"
Albert Einstein.
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You do realise that apart from a fluke year, a decade ago now, basing our team purely upon attack has been a total and utter failure, our conversion to finals appearances in that period is worse than unacceptable.

Breaking the cycle of mediocrity we have found ourselves in was never going to be immediately solved via a few pow-wows in the off season, no pump up talk or video session breakdown/ strategy pre game going to turn this rabble around… the softness, lack of fortitude, the culture of failure is deeply ingrained.

The whole Rugby League community, every man and his dog knows that we are perennial under achievers, the Wests Tigers have been far too poor, far too often. Taylor may not be the messiah, though i tell you what, the guy isnt afraid to try and change what obviously wasnt working... yet here you are calling for more of the same rubbish served up over the last decade that is proven to sub par.

 

[lathami]

Blah, blah, blah!
So, what we played taylor ball till round 19 and what were the results? Did we become a great defensive side? No. Same old, same old. Weak down the middle, as usual,
The thing is u should no your cattles capabilities, we don't have great defensive players, so until u buy these types if players, what are u really doing here? Wasting time, supporters and sponsors!
Sounds like a great coach!!!

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I tend to agree. The gameplan may suit some squads in the NRL who have the right cattle, but I couldn't see how it worked with ours. It was obvious mid year our structure wasn't working, but we continued going down the same path week to week.

It was this point which I started to feel the coach is the problem, and if we aren't going to buy the right cattle for 2016, the same results will continue. At some stage, the coach needs a gameplan to suit our key players best attributes.

 

[foreveratiger]

Bellamy is off Contract at the end of 2016 , Harry T make it happen .

Can always Dream :mrgreen:

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

:laughing:

Is it????
Do you think his holding onto a few Aces???
He tried to bring the Roosters gameplan to a team cultured to attack, he failed now is covering his hopeless cards by getting rid of the Captain and dismanteling the team…
Your pretty funny with your dull view on things.

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"the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result"
Albert Einstein.
\
\
You do realise that apart from a fluke year, a decade ago now, basing our team purely upon attack has been a total and utter failure, our conversion to finals appearances in that period is worse than unacceptable.

Breaking the cycle of mediocrity we have found ourselves in was never going to be immediately solved via a few pow-wows in the off season, no pump up talk or video session breakdown/ strategy pre game going to turn this rabble around… the softness, lack of fortitude, the culture of failure is deeply ingrained.

The whole Rugby League community, every man and his dog knows that we are perennial under achievers, the Wests Tigers have been far too poor, far too often. Taylor may not be the messiah, though i tell you what, the guy isnt afraid to try and change what obviously wasnt working... yet here you are calling for more of the same rubbish served up over the last decade that is proven to sub par.

So we try and throw outthe one the one player who has constantly busted his butt and tried to lift this team to a reasonable level. (Who , by the way showed that he has still got it in the Warriors game.)
What is needed , is to stop the cycle that has developed of buying coaches at Kmart and concentrate firstly on finding a quality coach who can bring out the best of what we've got.
The one person who could really help in this regard is HT.
He can put money in for a Coach, as it's not under our cap .
At the moment that would be the biggest improvement possible.

As for Einstein B&W, even he was wrong occasionally,
There's a whole lot of things that if you keep doing over and over again you get extremely good at doing them,
Unfortunately buying insecure dud coaches is not one of them. :laughing:

 

[Knuckles]

I'm hopeful our new CEO can conjure an agreement that pleases everyone. So that player and coach can work together in harmony and both see out their contracts.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I love the ''we need to stop buying cheap coaches" as if the ones that would cost a lot and have great reputations would ever consider coming here with our track record of treating coaches the last couple of seasons.

 

[alexaki]

If he takes the leash off this team there's no reason why they can't improve next yr.

The problem that I have with Taylor is that he was terrible this year and I think we underachieved. He needs to change that around.

I honestly don't even think our squad is that bad. Richards was the weak link in the backline along with depth and hopefully we will fix those areas next year.

I think our forwards may need some help next year as Galloway is gone but basically I think our team is okay. JT has enough to work with if he tries and plays positive footy.

When it comes to who applied for what I don't care. I just expect the coach to pick the right team, put a decent game plan together and to act with some class. The rest is up to the players.

Everyone talks up the talent of these kids, so if they're allowed to play their natural games, what's the problem?

This is the problem though with Taylor. He honestly appeared to be coming up with game plans that were designed for unskillful, defence orientated players.

I hope that Taylor realizes that he stuffed up and has the team playing to our strengths. I think players like Tedesco, Moses, Brooks, Nofo, Simona along with Taupau, Woods, Ava and maybe even Cherrington have the ability to play to a pretty high standard.

Few have stopped to consider that Taylor used 2015 as a development year for the team, especially the first half and especially for the "kids" like Moses… They needed to learn a few "lessons"before they were allowed to play their natural games...2016 will see a very different "structure" watch....

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[jadtiger]

I tend to agree. The gameplan may suit some squads in the NRL who have the right cattle, but I couldn't see how it worked with ours. It was obvious mid year our structure wasn't working, but we continued going down the same path week to week.

It was this point which I started to feel the coach is the problem, and if we aren't going to buy the right cattle for 2016, the same results will continue. At some stage, the coach needs a gameplan to suit our key players best attributes.

Correct a teams playing style should be utilizing their strengths and exploiting the oppositions weakness.Sadly Taylorball was the opposite.If he persists with that stupidity in 2016 i shudder to think of what will happen to the club we support

 

[stevetiger]

Few have stopped to consider that Taylor used 2015 as a development year for the team, especially the first half and especially for the "kids" like Moses… They needed to learn a few "lessons"before they were allowed to play their natural games...2016 will see a very different "structure" watch....

I think that this is a very favourable way of viewing Taylor's coaching and I think its completely false. I think he simply stuffed up and had no idea. I also think he changed his approach.

I hope he learnt from his first season and tries to get the most out of the players that we have.

 

[stevetiger]

I tend to agree. The gameplan may suit some squads in the NRL who have the right cattle, but I couldn't see how it worked with ours. It was obvious mid year our structure wasn't working, but we continued going down the same path week to week.

It was this point which I started to feel the coach is the problem, and if we aren't going to buy the right cattle for 2016, the same results will continue. At some stage, the coach needs a gameplan to suit our key players best attributes.

Correct a teams playing style should be utilizing their strengths and exploiting the oppositions weakness.Sadly Taylorball was the opposite.If he persists with that stupidity in 2016 i shudder to think of what will happen to the club we support

I think that this is the key issue. I think if he continues on with the stupidity though he will be sacked.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

By both Farah and Taylor being here the blaming game will continue amongst fans. They both can't be here after this mess.

Farah will cop it and be blamed for the losses that happen next year and the bickering will continue, if he stays he will Cop it, the only way for him is to go and prove his critics wrong IMO.

Farah doesn't feel he should be the one leaving with a Contract that he wants to honour.
In a way I want Farah to go not cause I don't like him but so JT has no excuses and let next year be his defining year and get some questions answered.

Why would he want to walk? 900K a year at a club where accountability has long been out the window (if it were ever even here in the first place.)

True CB

Want? He wouldn't want to….but obviously his not wanted and the only way to prove his critics wrong if his able to? Is getting out of the joint.
He will be criticised either way next year, if he stays he will be labelled a sook and when we loose games it will also be his fault.

I know that he will get his Contract money either way, just another player we can add to the list of paying them to play for another Club :unamused:, it's how we roll.

I'm late in replying to this mate, sorry.

I can see it already, if he stays on a fails to perform, team JT will be saying he's bottled it, and team Farah will be saying that he's placed undue pressure on himself to perform in the wake of everything that's happened with the attempted ousting.

Excuses need to stop. If Farah does stay on next year for whatever reason and he's not living up to the paypacket, he has to go. If JT does not get results next year, he has to go.