Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[goldcoast_tiger]

There sure is a split between us fans on this topic. Each to their own and although I'm probably favouring the Farah side i do understand he is somewhat of a problem as history proves this.

That said, whoever is to blame its been terrible for the club and shows a lack of foresight in this decision. It will forever leave Taylor on the outer with Farah's loyal teammates imo (especially the younger more impressionable players).

Talk back radio has been going nuts and I've never heard our club being bagged so much. I truly fear for the future of our club as we are dead set front runners for culling or moving interstate if that becomes an NRL discussion.

Its a no win situation with Farah and Taylor at the club. I don't see it working out without Farah gone and Taylor still there as the respsect for him by the players will have diminished.

Ideally they both go and Cleary comes in, but financially we lose out no matter if Farah goes as we'll be paying him to play for another club. Sure it will cost us paying out Taylor too, but this would have to be a better financial option. I'm confident that a player pole would have the majority wanting Cleary to replace Taylor. It just seems they dont respsect his gameplans or his man management. Pretty sure thats the first two things a successful coach ticks off. Taylor failure on both parts so far.

Only time will tell I guess.

Either way we are going to pay out money somewhere..
So, we may as well cut our losses, cut Taylor, as he's caused at least half of this problem( and that's being charitable), and at least get a real coach by bringing in Cleary . Now before we are toast for another season, or for good
Farah will go to SL next year so an English club will save us some of our money. For that year
And the scarecrow can go and haunt someone else. Although it is unlikely it will be in the NRL

 

[hammertime]

You gotta laugh at the fact the club in it's original press release on the matter said:

The Club intends on treating Farah with the upmost respect during this process and will make no further comment until his playing future is decided.

Yes, I'm glad you mention this because the news.com.au article on the previous page states this -

"Tigers coach Jason Taylor recently said he and Farah had worked through the majority of their issues. While that might be Taylor’s take on their relationship, it is hard to see how Farah could possibly view that as the case **given the disrespect the club has shown him in recent months**."

No doubt Pascoe has considered moving Taylor sideways into a lesser position, sort of like Farah giving up the captaincy, so a new coach can be appointed.

You realize your comparing a quote from a CEO involved to a opinion from a Telegraph reporter yeah? The quote form the telegraph is completely subjective. I think there is much better analysis on this forum to be honest.

This "disrespect' shown to Farah… tell me about it? Got examples? When did anyone show him disrespect besides this "reserve grade" quote which to be honest, is something any coach can tell any player. p.s. Telling someone they can look around is not disrespect.

To give you a perfect parallel - Was Sandow disrespected when he was pushed to Reserves? Had nothing to do with his ability, but everything to do with the respect he showed the coach. Sound familiar?

I honestly think it's a pretty fair call from who ever said it if Robbie was unwilling to listen to the coach or tried to undermine him. The only difference is that Sandow came out in the media and said it, where as the tigers have been respectable to Robbie and not mentioned what he has done to cause these kind of comments. I can tell you, it would definitely not be nothing.

 

[Tigermama]

I don't think he's the kind of coach who will take anything on offer. He's proven, he can afford to wait for the right time and club.

He's extremely rich too. So yes. he can afford to wait. :sunglasses:

 

[stevetiger]

Who says he even wants to come here? Why would any coach, especially one of the quality of Cleary want to come here if we discard Taylor in the next 6-9 months?

I love these comments because they show absolutely no idea with regards to what is being offered. We are offering a first grade coaching role. Assuming it is the only one on offer which is likely he would jump at the chance.

 

[stevetiger]

_It is believed Robinson’s main priority was always the **harmony of his squad**. While the move would have further strengthened the Roosters’ already powerful roster, the last thing the coach wanted to do was unsettle Friend, who has tremendous respect among his teammates._

Obviously something Taylor didn't pick up on during his time at the Roosters.
No mater if moving Farah is better for the team or not it was a DUMB DUMB move by Taylor and the club. Especially the timing leaving Farah with very few options.

In my opinion its Taylor that has to go. He doesn't have the full respect of the players that he needs. We are a sinking ship with him there, Farah gone or not.

This is exactly right ignoring the removal of Taylor. This was so stupidly played by Taylor. He has a point. Robbie is overpaid. The problem is that you have to work with what you have and this has just caused so much drama.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Who says he even wants to come here? Why would any coach, especially one of the quality of Cleary want to come here if we discard Taylor in the next 6-9 months?

I love these comments because they show absolutely no idea with regards to what is being offered. We are offering a first grade coaching role. Assuming it is the only one on offer which is likely he would jump at the chance.

Wow, talk about selective quoting. Funny you didn't quote the next bit where I explained why. Why being why would he take the risk knowing at the first sign of trouble he could be gone.

No idea comments? You mean like the people expecting the club will sack a coach with two yrs to go on his contract, then expect them to pay significant money for a coach like Cleary. That kind of no idea comment?

Maybe you should have read my next comment after as well where I explained again why before reverting to sarcasm. He's not a coach desperate for an opportunity who'll take whatever he can get. Even the Walker bros, 2 rookies, admitted they would only take a role on if it was right. If they have an attitude like that, it stands to reason that a more experienced and successful coach like Cleary would as well.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Who says he even wants to come here? Why would any coach, especially one of the quality of Cleary want to come here if we discard Taylor in the next 6-9 months?

I love these comments because they show absolutely no idea with regards to what is being offered. We are offering a first grade coaching role. Assuming it is the only one on offer which is likely he would jump at the chance.

You mean like the people expecting the club will sack a coach with two yrs to go on his contract, then expect them to pay significant money for a coach like Cleary. That kind of no idea comment?

Maybe you should have read my next comment where I explained why before reverting to sarcasm. He's not a coach desperate for an opportunity who'll take whatever he can get. Even the Walker bros, 2 rookies, admitted they would only take a role on if it was right. If they have an attitude like that, it stands to reason that a more experienced and successful coach like Cleary would as well.

Much more so he'll be careful if it's a club that has a history of sacking coaches too.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Did u see the injuries Penrith had this year??

It was incredible.

Look at last year they were a very attractive team to watch!

Sorry i dont make more sense…..seems a lot of peeps getting very personal in this thread.

I will refrain....

Oh you mean 2014 where they scored a whole 19 more points then we did in 2015 over 24 rounds. Where they came 4th and we came 15th ? Such an attacking coach with less then 1 point a match more

Cleary had the roster he wanted (after clearing out a heap of supposed club legends much like Taylor is doing) and had much more money and support yet over 4 years he made the finals once. Myth

I told you Boonboon. No matter how many times you point out facts about our attack the weedlers of the forum continue to say the opposite is the truth. They reckon if you say it so many times people will believe it.[/quote

Notice that you didn't compare 2014 when they actually had most of their top team on the field. But, don't let that cloud your fantasy.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

A lot has been made of how the Mr Pascoe had to return from his holiday to attend to latest possible news on Farah transfer. Farah and or Ayoub has been roundly criticised on this forum. But if Mr Pascoe had to speak at the AGM that arvo would not he be returning to Sydney anyway? Did he come a few hours earlier if at all earlier?

I just read how angry ant has stated that the meetings were on at approx the same time so surely was returning anyway?

 

[stevetiger]

Who says he even wants to come here? Why would any coach, especially one of the quality of Cleary want to come here if we discard Taylor in the next 6-9 months?

I love these comments because they show absolutely no idea with regards to what is being offered. We are offering a first grade coaching role. Assuming it is the only one on offer which is likely he would jump at the chance.

Wow, talk about selective quoting. Funny you didn't quote the next bit where I explained why. Why being why would he take the risk knowing at the first sign of trouble he could be gone.

No idea comments? You mean like the people expecting the club will sack a coach with two yrs to go on his contract, then expect them to pay significant money for a coach like Cleary. That kind of no idea comment?

Maybe you should have read my next comment after as well where I explained again why before reverting to sarcasm. He's not a coach desperate for an opportunity who'll take whatever he can get. Even the Walker bros, 2 rookies, admitted they would only take a role on if it was right. If they have an attitude like that, it stands to reason that a more experienced and successful coach like Cleary would as well.

I understand you feel hard done by but its pretty simple. There are very few first grade coaching jobs out there. If we have the one offer they will be lining up to come. That is exactly what has happened with Potter and Taylor. They even fight for longer contracts. Its a good gig.

I am not concerned one bit of our ability to attract the best available coaches that are currently not coaching an NRL team.

 

[Flippedy]

There sure is a split between us fans on this topic. Each to their own and although I'm probably favouring the Farah side i do understand he is somewhat of a problem as history proves this.

That said, whoever is to blame its been terrible for the club and shows a lack of foresight in this decision. It will forever leave Taylor on the outer with Farah's loyal teammates imo (especially the younger more impressionable players).

Talk back radio has been going nuts and I've never heard our club being bagged so much. I truly fear for the future of our club as we are dead set front runners for culling or moving interstate if that becomes an NRL discussion.

Its a no win situation with Farah and Taylor at the club. I don't see it working out without Farah gone and Taylor still there as the respsect for him by the players will have diminished.

Ideally they both go and Cleary comes in, but financially we lose out no matter if Farah goes as we'll be paying him to play for another club. Sure it will cost us paying out Taylor too, but this would have to be a better financial option. I'm confident that a player pole would have the majority wanting Cleary to replace Taylor. It just seems they dont respsect his gameplans or his man management. Pretty sure thats the first two things a successful coach ticks off. Taylor failure on both parts so far.

Only time will tell I guess.

Mate your comments are the most spot on of any I've read in this thread. Whichever way this all turns out we are screwed for next season, at the very least, and probably longer if Taylor ends up hanging around after Farah goes.

Unfortunately, the damage has been done in the handling of all things, by both parties, and the team cannot help but carry the fallout with them into next season. I'm pretty sure this is why Taupau jumped ship early - it had to be more than just the money. Why on earth would anyone want to stay in such a disruptive environment if they can possibly avoid it.

Yes I suppose the best outcome, initially, is that both Farah and Taylor leave, but then we would have to start all over again from scratch with a new coach, which would just be another setback, imo. I couldn't agree with you more that we would be front runners for being shafted somewhere else (or altogether) by the NRL - we are a deadset mess!

 

[Telltails]

One coach sacked after a nine year appointment - and we have a history of sacking coaches that may affect other coaches coming - Penrith sacked both their last two coaches didnt take Griffen long to pack his bags. Stone has been sacked twice from Newcastle - The only thing stopping us attracting the Bellamys, Bennetts Haslers is money - so they can buy the players they want and hence justify the salary they demand.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I understand you feel hard done by but its pretty simple. There are very few first grade coaching jobs out there. If we have the one offer they will be lining up to come. That is exactly what has happened with Potter and Taylor. They even fight for longer contracts. Its a good gig.

I am not concerned one bit of our ability to attract the best available coaches that are currently not coaching an NRL team.

Not sure what's with the continued sarcasm but anyway. As i said, which is something you've obviously dodged. It seemed good enough for the Walker bros to say they wouldn't just jump into any gig, and they are rookies. Hell, there was even another rookie who brushed us about 12-13 yrs ago, his name was Craig Bellamy. So there is a precedent set for coaches turning down coaching positions.

 

[gallagher]

You gotta laugh at the fact the club in it's original press release on the matter said:

The Club intends on treating Farah with the upmost respect during this process and will make no further comment until his playing future is decided.

Yes, I'm glad you mention this because the news.com.au article on the previous page states this -

"Tigers coach Jason Taylor recently said he and Farah had worked through the majority of their issues. While that might be Taylor’s take on their relationship, it is hard to see how Farah could possibly view that as the case **given the disrespect the club has shown him in recent months**."

No doubt Pascoe has considered moving Taylor sideways into a lesser position, sort of like Farah giving up the captaincy, so a new coach can be appointed.

A news ltd journo's opinion is now fact?
Someone asked in a thread why do these journos write do much crap? Here is your answer.

 

[marzie]

One coach sacked after a nine year appointment - and we have a history of sacking coaches that may affect other coaches coming - Penrith sacked both their last two coaches didnt take Griffen long to pack his bags. Stone has been sacked twice from Newcastle - The only thing stopping us attracting the Bellamys, Bennetts Haslers is money - so they can buy the players they want and hence justify the salary they demand.

One sacked after 9 years and the next one wasn't even sacked, he's contract was finished and they opted to sign a new coach instead. Ridiculous when people say we have a history of sacking coaches when we've sacked 1 in 16 years….

 

[gallagher]

One coach sacked after a nine year appointment - and we have a history of sacking coaches that may affect other coaches coming - Penrith sacked both their last two coaches didnt take Griffen long to pack his bags. Stone has been sacked twice from Newcastle - The only thing stopping us attracting the Bellamys, Bennetts Haslers is money - so they can buy the players they want and hence justify the salary they demand.

One sacked after 9 years and the next one wasn't even sacked, he's contract was finished and they opted to sign a new coach instead. Ridiculous when people say we have a history of sacking coaches when we've sacked 1 in 16 years….

Hard to argue with that.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

One coach sacked after a nine year appointment - and we have a history of sacking coaches that may affect other coaches coming - Penrith sacked both their last two coaches didnt take Griffen long to pack his bags. Stone has been sacked twice from Newcastle - The only thing stopping us attracting the Bellamys, Bennetts Haslers is money - so they can buy the players they want and hence justify the salary they demand.

One sacked after 9 years and the next one wasn't even sacked, he's contract was finished and they opted to sign a new coach instead. Ridiculous when people say we have a history of sacking coaches when we've sacked 1 in 16 years….

Still, you don't want your coaching position to be a revolving door. You need stability.

 

[stevetiger]

I understand you feel hard done by but its pretty simple. There are very few first grade coaching jobs out there. If we have the one offer they will be lining up to come. That is exactly what has happened with Potter and Taylor. They even fight for longer contracts. Its a good gig.

I am not concerned one bit of our ability to attract the best available coaches that are currently not coaching an NRL team.

Not sure what's with the continued sarcasm but anyway. As i said, which is something you've obviously dodged. It seemed good enough for the Walker bros to say they wouldn't just jump into any gig, and they are rookies. Hell, there was even another rookie who brushed us about 12-13 yrs ago, his name was Craig Bellamy. So there is a precedent set for coaches turning down coaching positions.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I don't think the Walker Bros would say no that quickly. Its much easier to say it when there isn't an offer.

Bellamy might have said no but I think he went to Melbourne at the same time.

The point is though that lets not get too pessimistic and dramatic about our ability to get a coach. We can easily get a first grade coach with a decent amount of experience. We've had Sheens then Potter and now Taylor. All 3 are definitely not complete no bodies from off the street.

If Taylor has to get sacked we will pick up another coach easily. They might even be better than Taylor (a little bit of sarcasm here).

 

[stevetiger]

One coach sacked after a nine year appointment - and we have a history of sacking coaches that may affect other coaches coming - Penrith sacked both their last two coaches didnt take Griffen long to pack his bags. Stone has been sacked twice from Newcastle - The only thing stopping us attracting the Bellamys, Bennetts Haslers is money - so they can buy the players they want and hence justify the salary they demand.

One sacked after 9 years and the next one wasn't even sacked, he's contract was finished and they opted to sign a new coach instead. Ridiculous when people say we have a history of sacking coaches when we've sacked 1 in 16 years….

Still, you don't want your coaching position to be a revolving door. You need stability.

We haven't had a revolving door at all.

 

[LCA]

I sense the NRL mindset is going to mirror the EPL actions; that is an under performing coach (manager) is shown the door suddenly. It's a betting proposition in the UK, apparently.

Having said that though, I am no fan of Jason Taylor and I think his deficiencies in player management and player development have been clearly exposed. We will be better off without him and as soon as possible.