Sack him Now

[NT_Tiger]

We. Can't. Sack. Him.

We. Have. No. Money.

Please explain.

 

[weststigers]

You can't sack a coach who basically has an U20's side with 1 years first grade experience and no money to recruit decent players.

Either way, we need to clean up our salary cap so any coach we employ will have the same team and problems to deal with. It just happens to be Taylor at the moment.

As far as his game plans go, he is working with kids that may not be able to execute better plans at this stage in their careers. You don't give a uni grad the same work you'd give a 10 year veteran.

A lot is working against this team at the moment and while it sucks having to watch loss after loss, I'm confident we'll come out of it a better team.

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[Tigermama]

We. Can't. Sack. Him.

We. Have. No. Money.

Please explain.

:laughing:

 

[NT_Tiger]

To me it is worth considering that those fans who don't want to look at stats that show improvement, and don't want to give Jason Taylor the benefit of the doubt re his efforts to build a winning culture, but instead bay for his blood with a short term win at all costs viewpoint, are a big part of the reason WT is in this mess in the first place. Previous administrations have been afraid of the potential backlash from fans and so did whatever it took to try to keep an overpriced playing roster on the field while concealing the mess they created.
Anybody here call for changes to WT management in the past?
Anybody frustrated with WT this seasons results? (Probably no-one more so than Jason Taylor.)
Anybody really think it will help to continue to bay for Taylor's blood?
How about we have a little bit of faith in the people who are now working their way through the mess we asked to have cleaned up and who are not afraid to make the hard decisions.

 

[jirskyr]

To me it is worth considering that those fans who don't want to look at stats that show improvement, and don't want to give Jason Taylor the benefit of the doubt re his efforts to build a winning culture, but instead bay for his blood with a short term win at all costs viewpoint, are a big part of the reason WT is in this mess in the first place. Previous administrations have been afraid of the potential backlash from fans and so did whatever it took to try to keep an overpriced playing roster on the field while concealing the mess they created.
Anybody here call for changes to WT management in the past?
Anybody frustrated with WT this seasons results? (Probably no-one more so than Jason Taylor.)
Anybody really think it will help to continue to bay for Taylor's blood?
How about we have a little bit of faith in the people who are now working their way through the mess we asked to have cleaned up and who are not afraid to make the hard decisions.

I agree with you.

You aren't going to convince these people by appealing to logic or calmness. I can't help myself, but it's ultimately useless… the argument is unwinnable, because they move the goalposts on you.

They might say all they want is improvement... not miracles, just improvement. So you pull up some stats, some places where improvement can be argued to have occurred. But they either give it the old "you can make stats say anything" line that climate sceptics use, or they say "stats are meaningless to me, I know what I see".

In reality, the argument about Taylor is a non-argument, because unless his contract allows us to terminate on certain first-year KPIs (such as coming last), then we would have to pay him out. We hardly have enough money to pay the bills, let alone add another ex-coach to the books.

So people who want JT gone are currently wasting their time, just as sure as we are wasting our time trying to argue reason. Yet both sides keep posting and emploring.

What surprises me is why this season is so bad, if memory serves me right... we often miss the finals, but I am not used to the forum taking it so badly. I am not sure if it is the manner of failing, potentially being last, or if too many people had built up expectations about what the new mgmt and coach could really achieve in the first year.

 

[happy_tiger]

This is an accurate appraisal of our worst season on record, and I can't believe you still can't see it.

There has to be an agenda if anyone is supporting JT at this point. Its that simple. I have no idea what the agenda is but it has nothing to do with the Tigers being successful and winning games.

Been at the same place for few weeks now. I made the mistake of thinking they were just stupid people who couldnt see what was happening. Not anymore.

It's not an agenda it's an understanding of how bad a place this club is at

But if you wish to ignore everything you see on field with the 15 other clubs who have far better talent and manage to work within the same cap

If the WTs in 12 months time are in the same place you have every right to be banging the doors in wanting change

Give Taylor at least the same chance that Potter got

Signed from one of the "stupid people" who simply doesn't agree with your opinion

Nothing more or less

 

[TrueTiger]

To me it is worth considering that those fans who don't want to look at stats that show improvement, and don't want to give Jason Taylor the benefit of the doubt re his efforts to build a winning culture, but instead bay for his blood with a short term win at all costs viewpoint, are a big part of the reason WT is in this mess in the first place. Previous administrations have been afraid of the potential backlash from fans and so did whatever it took to try to keep an overpriced playing roster on the field while concealing the mess they created.
Anybody here call for changes to WT management in the past?
Anybody frustrated with WT this seasons results? (Probably no-one more so than Jason Taylor.)
Anybody really think it will help to continue to bay for Taylor's blood?
How about we have a little bit of faith in the people who are now working their way through the mess we asked to have cleaned up and who are not afraid to make the hard decisions.

I agree with you.

You aren't going to convince these people by appealing to logic or calmness. I can't help myself, but it's ultimately useless… the argument is unwinnable, because they move the goalposts on you.

They might say all they want is improvement... not miracles, just improvement. So you pull up some stats, some places where improvement can be argued to have occurred. But they either give it the old "you can make stats say anything" line that climate sceptics use, or they say "stats are meaningless to me, I know what I see".

In reality, the argument about Taylor is a non-argument, because unless his contract allows us to terminate on certain first-year KPIs (such as coming last), then we would have to pay him out. We hardly have enough money to pay the bills, let alone add another ex-coach to the books.

So people who want JT gone are currently wasting their time, just as sure as we are wasting our time trying to argue reason. Yet both sides keep posting and emploring.

What surprises me is why this season is so bad, if memory serves me right... we often miss the finals, but I am not used to the forum taking it so badly. I am not sure if it is the manner of failing, potentially being last, or if too many people had built up expectations about what the new mgmt and coach could really achieve in the first year.

jirskyr,I reckon that we had that bad a year last year,copping hidings,Potter being bagged,and the review as well as the Farah thing,that all people wanted was sanity to prevail..the new board elected Taylor as the new messiah and with the hype surrounding the new look halves combination things were percieved as a new beginning…unfortunately the majority of the fan base did not understand the internal financial problems that are now being dealt with or the time it has taken this team to play to a defensive structure that they are not familiar with...Iam personally very disappointed with the results so far,but having looked at the problems we have and the team roster we have,I can only hope the people in charge of our club do the very best they can for the club and not for themselves as in previous years..I remain completely faithful to the club and I sincerely think we will improve once the garbage and excess baggage has been decimated...keep the faith guys things will improve...

obviously this is just my opinion and thoughts ....I wait with bated breath for the TT knockers to have an all out assault on my opinion...gee I cant wait... :sunglasses:

 

[foreveratiger]

This is an accurate appraisal of our worst season on record, and I can't believe you still can't see it.

There has to be an agenda if anyone is supporting JT at this point. Its that simple. I have no idea what the agenda is but it has nothing to do with the Tigers being successful and winning games.

Been at the same place for few weeks now. I made the mistake of thinking they were just stupid people who couldnt see what was happening. Not anymore.

It's not an agenda it's an understanding of how bad a place this club is at

But if you wish to ignore everything you see on field with the 15 other clubs who have far better talent and manage to work within the same cap

If the WTs in 12 months time are in the same place you have every right to be banging the doors in wanting change

Give Taylor at least the same chance that Potter got

Signed from one of the "stupid people" who simply doesn't agree with your opinion

Nothing more or less

You say give Taylor the same chance that Potter got, he got to see his 2 year Contract out but never had any control of things.
He was always a dead man walking.

 

[TrueTiger]

Taylors been given a hell of a lot more to work with and ask for than Potter ever did….

 

[happy_tiger]

[]

This is an accurate appraisal of our worst season on record, and I can't believe you still can't see it.

There has to be an agenda if anyone is supporting JT at this point. Its that simple. I have no idea what the agenda is but it has nothing to do with the Tigers being successful and winning games.

Been at the same place for few weeks now. I made the mistake of thinking they were just stupid people who couldnt see what was happening. Not anymore.

It's not an agenda it's an understanding of how bad a place this club is at

But if you wish to ignore everything you see on field with the 15 other clubs who have far better talent and manage to work within the same cap

If the WTs in 12 months time are in the same place you have every right to be banging the doors in wanting change

Give Taylor at least the same chance that Potter got

Signed from one of the "stupid people" who simply doesn't agree with your opinion

Nothing more or less

You say give Taylor the same chance that Potter got, he got to see his 2 year Contract out but never had any control of things.
He was always a dead man walking.

Totally agree and many wanted him to stay on including me but that can't happen now

We need to get behind Taylor and give him the full support that Potter should of got

Taylor is doing the best job possible with what he has available

Potter had a far superior squad than Taylor has at the moment

 

[ricksen]

If the WTs in 12 months time are in the same place you have every right to be banging the doors in wanting change

This is where I'm at.
Whilst I'm very much a JT sceptic, he is at least talking a good game, so deserves a chance to see it through. We'll know if he's got the magic touch this time next year.

 

[Black_n_White]

Taylors been given a hell of a lot more to work with and ask for than Potter ever did….

Potter and Taylor were handcuffed in different ways… Taylor obviously had the advantage of investing in pro support staff of his own choosing which Potter was not afforded, though on the flip side, Potter was allowed to sign players where as Taylor has been forced to release players to fortify the clubs long term position.

Its a pretty rough deal both ways.

 

[innsaneink]

**To me it is worth considering that those fans who don't want to look at stats that show improvement, and don't want to give Jason Taylor the benefit of the doubt re his efforts to build a winning culture, but instead bay for his blood with a short term win at all costs viewpoint, are a big part of the reason WT is in this mess in the first place. Previous administrations have been afraid of the potential backlash from fans and so did whatever it took to try to keep an overpriced playing roster on the field while concealing the mess they created.**
Anybody here call for changes to WT management in the past?
Anybody frustrated with WT this seasons results? (Probably no-one more so than Jason Taylor.)
Anybody really think it will help to continue to bay for Taylor's blood?
How about we have a little bit of faith in the people who are now working their way through the mess we asked to have cleaned up and who are not afraid to make the hard decisions.

Youre either off your rocker, or on the money, who knows with WTs
Id say the former though.
\
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Its the fans fault

:brick:

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

To me it is worth considering that those fans who don't want to look at stats that show improvement, and don't want to give Jason Taylor the benefit of the doubt re his efforts to build a winning culture, but instead bay for his blood with a short term win at all costs viewpoint, are a big part of the reason WT is in this mess in the first place. Previous administrations have been afraid of the potential backlash from fans and so did whatever it took to try to keep an overpriced playing roster on the field while concealing the mess they created.
Anybody here call for changes to WT management in the past?
Anybody frustrated with WT this seasons results? (Probably no-one more so than Jason Taylor.)
Anybody really think it will help to continue to bay for Taylor's blood?
How about we have a little bit of faith in the people who are now working their way through the mess we asked to have cleaned up and who are not afraid to make the hard decisions.

So it's the fans fault that we are shafted. ????
Interesting thought.
Wrong , but an interesting thought.

 

[innsaneink]

To me it is worth considering that those fans who don't want to look at stats that show improvement, and don't want to give Jason Taylor the benefit of the doubt re his efforts to build a winning culture, but instead bay for his blood with a short term win at all costs viewpoint, are a big part of the reason WT is in this mess in the first place. Previous administrations have been afraid of the potential backlash from fans and so did whatever it took to try to keep an overpriced playing roster on the field while concealing the mess they created.
Anybody here call for changes to WT management in the past?
Anybody frustrated with WT this seasons results? (Probably no-one more so than Jason Taylor.)
Anybody really think it will help to continue to bay for Taylor's blood?
How about we have a little bit of faith in the people who are now working their way through the mess we asked to have cleaned up and who are not afraid to make the hard decisions.

I agree with you.

You aren't going to convince these people by appealing to logic or calmness. I can't help myself, but it's ultimately useless… the argument is unwinnable, because they move the goalposts on you.

They might say all they want is improvement... not miracles, just improvement. So you pull up some stats, some places where improvement can be argued to have occurred. But they either give it the old "you can make stats say anything" line that climate sceptics use, or they say "stats are meaningless to me, I know what I see".

In reality, the argument about Taylor is a non-argument, because unless his contract allows us to terminate on certain first-year KPIs (such as coming last), then we would have to pay him out. We hardly have enough money to pay the bills, let alone add another ex-coach to the books.

So people who want JT gone are currently wasting their time, just as sure as we are wasting our time trying to argue reason. Yet both sides keep posting and emploring.

**What surprises me is why this season is so bad, if memory serves me right... we often miss the finals, but I am not used to the forum taking it so badly. I am not sure if it is the manner of failing, potentially being last, or if too many people had built up expectations about what the new mgmt and coach could really achieve in the first year.**

I think - one possible reason - it may be because he seems to choose his words poorly

Saying he's happy with the defence when we lose 8-33….Im guessing he means he's happy with certain aspects of it.

Saying results dont matter - when really at this stage of the year they really dont - but thats not what the shareholder wants to hear...sometimes being too honest is the wrong way to go.
Spin is delicate - lay it on too thick (Ms Go) much and people see it right thru it....not enough spin and youll have a pissed off fanbase

 

[jirskyr]

I think - one possible reason - it may be because he seems to choose his words poorly

Saying he's happy with the defence when we lose 8-33….Im guessing he means he's happy with certain aspects of it.

Saying results dont matter - when really at this stage of the year they really dont - but thats not what the shareholder wants to hear...sometimes being too honest is the wrong way to go.
Spin is delicate - lay it on too thick (Ms Go) much and people see it right thru it....not enough spin and youll have a pissed off fanbase

I understand that, and I think you are right.

What I don't really get are the fans argue that all that matters are the wins, or at least improvement than previous bad seasons. And many of these aren't interested in stats, they just want to see the team play hard and stick with the opposition each week.

But some of those fans are also extremely sensitive to coach and/or management comments in the media. If the only thing that really matters is on-field performance, what does it matter what the coach says? He could be totally patronising or unhelpfully terse, but the results are what count for the fans.

It's the same thing when media interviews players, most all of them read from a bland script, don't go even close to speaking their mind.

You are better off ignoring all the talk I feel.

 

[westernsuburbsmagy]

Agree with Snake … this imposter has to go ... better to pay him out, get Toovey before gate money, club money, membership money and more important, sponsors are nil ... what company would want to spend big $$ on a team who will be wooden spooners under JT ..

 

[stryker]

Jirskyr, if we don't start winning games we may not have time to develop these long term structures. Not as Wests Tigers, not in Sydney.

 

[westernsuburbsmagy]

GNR4life … see your point mate, but better to quit while still a shred of some dignity .. another 2-1/2 years of JT, WT will be worse off than ever .. no dignity, no players, no money no members no fans and no sponsor ... when you weigh it up, best to get him out now ...

 

[LCA]

To me it is worth considering that those fans who don't want to look at stats that show improvement, and don't want to give Jason Taylor the benefit of the doubt re his efforts to build a winning culture, but instead bay for his blood with a short term win at all costs viewpoint, are a big part of the reason WT is in this mess in the first place. Previous administrations have been afraid of the potential backlash from fans and so did whatever it took to try to keep an overpriced playing roster on the field while concealing the mess they created.
Anybody here call for changes to WT management in the past?
Anybody frustrated with WT this seasons results? (Probably no-one more so than Jason Taylor.)
Anybody really think it will help to continue to bay for Taylor's blood?
How about we have a little bit of faith in the people who are now working their way through the mess we asked to have cleaned up and who are not afraid to make the hard decisions.

What the…..? "Previous administrations have been afraid of the potential backlash from fans and so did whatever it took to try to keep an overpriced playing roster on the field while concealing the mess they created."

You're not seriously thinking club management take decisions based on what is written here?

They would have to have been blind not to have seen the anger from members directed towards Taylor from the stand at Leichhardt after the capitulation against Penrith. That was visible and obvious for all to see.

Comments on here are no more than therapy for us. They have zero bearing on decisions for the future.

Get a grip, man!