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AmericanHistoryX said:
With leadership. No disrespect Vicious. I like a laugh. Not at your expense. I feel you. Just its fantasy man...
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I agree we do need more on field leadership.
Api is a great follow me type of leader and we hope the arrival of Luai will further enhance our on field leadership, but another well respected on field talker style of leader would be ideal.
Where do we get that player from ? Maybe try and entice the Roosters to hand Teddy back to us now he’s past his used by date and offer them Bula or Galvin in return ?
 
Telltails said:
Ciraldo struggled last season with Mahoney Kikau JAC and Burton in his team. Add a marquee and six FG players from good systems and the improvement is evident. It's not rocket science it's about resources. Can guarantee if six or seven of them get injured they will be struggling again.
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Can suggest that the reason the bulldogs have turned it around this year is because of thier captain? He leads by example and is always up them. We don't have anyone in our team like that.
 
weststigers said:
I know the story.

I'm simply saying that arguably the best coach of the modern era was available from the next year and all we had to do was wait it out, but the club saw it your way and hired someone else to take over mid season instead.

Honest question: Putting aside Bennett being sacked as that was an unknown at the time, would you have preferred to wait it out and now we have Bennett? Or do what we did?

Your scenario has already played out. 2 wooden spoons and a 3rd one coming.

My scenario...we'll never know, but the Dolphins sit 4th right now.
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If the club came out in 2018 and said they'd signed Wayne Bennett for 2020, with Joe Blow being the caretaker coach for a year, I would have considered it a risky but acceptable decision. I'm always of the opinion you need to give the coach time and space to do their job, and for most clubs except for Tigers they jag some success along that path.

But you didn't answer my question in the first place - has any club ever hired a coach 2 seasons in advance? There's a reason they don't do it and there is a real issue, untested in your scenario, about what happens if you basically tank a season in hopes of better direction later on.

Or what if the interim coach gets great results and actually the team does less well under Bennett/

On the other hand I can only guess the potential backlash and financial/fan issues if Tigers tanked in 2019 and Wayne Bennett is coaching another club whilst issuing clandestine orders to Tigers for 2020, not really giving two shits about what happens in 2019 before he arrives, maybe even shedding the roster and making demands in 2019.

Also it's not "my" scenario, it's THE scenario. I didn't vote for it and I wasn't consulted. I just don't think it was a bad decision at the time. Hiring Ivan Cleary was also a decent decision at the time... until it wasn't. Just because the results didn't come doesn't make it a bad decision. Not every divorced wife should have reconsidered her options at the altar.
 
colinbh said:
Rubbish! We have been close most of the season. At half time last week we looked like winning. Then a dumb sinbinning, unforced errors and 20% possession ruined a great first half.

That loss cost us big time. Souths getting up with a plus result and our big minus result impacted our for and against.

We have two good players coming next year and we will probably sign a few more. Have faith and patience. We will be ok.
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Close means you lost. Only 10 in a row and you expect us to have patience and faith? Faith in what? In other teams doing worse than us to avoid spoon again.
We've been a basket case for over 10 years ( and not in the 8 for 13 years) and you expect us to have patience, please.
 
Droppy05 said:
Close means you lost. Only 10 in a row and you expect us to have patience and faith? Faith in what? In other teams doing worse than us to avoid spoon again.
We've been a basket case for over 10 years ( and not in the 8 for 13 years) and you expect us to have patience, please.
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Fans can lose patience and do their banana every weekend as we continue to lose games with our poor roster that Pascoe built. As long as Richo and Benji stay the course and don’t listen to the bananas.
 
BAGNF05 said:
I have faith based mainly on Richo. First step is a competitive roster. Api, Jahream, Luai and Galvin?? is a good spine.

Turuva, Sam Fainu, Twaly you can build around.

The clean out is on.

What good would a coaching change do 6 months into a rebuild? We made that feck up last year.
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Getting an experienced coach with 24/7 attitude would instil a similar change in the players. Coaching is not and never has been a 9 to 5 role, if you want to coach NRL.
Would be a good time to change coach as season is gone and hopefully implement changed attitude in current squad as possible as possible. This would help with retention of players who want out and obviously the players have not bought into what Benji has tried. It also helps with new players we have recruited and may give them some confidence going forward in a team that avoids a third spoon.
 
BAGNF05 said:
Fans can lose patience and do their banana every weekend as we continue to lose games with our poor roster that Pascoe built. As long as Richo and Benji stay the course and don’t listen to the bananas.
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Richo knows his stuff but is not the coach. Where he has had success , he did not have an apprentice coach.
 
Droppy05 said:
Getting an experienced coach with 24/7 attitude would instil a similar change in the players. Coaching is not and never has been a 9 to 5 role, if you want to coach NRL.
Would be a good time to change coach as season is gone and hopefully implement changed attitude in current squad as possible as possible. This would help with retention of players who want out and obviously the players have not bought into what Benji has tried. It also helps with new players we have recruited and may give them some confidence going forward in a team that avoids a third spoon.
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You realise you’re just rehashing Justin Pascoe’s annual solution? Replacing the coach doesn’t work at WT. Players are the problem.
 
BAGNF05 said:
You realise you’re just rehashing Justin Pascoe’s annual solution? Replacing the coach doesn’t work at WT. Players are the problem.
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The problem is the coach is not coaching the players on how to solve any deficiencies they may have. That is what coaches are suppose to do.
Top coaches get results with average players who then become better players and some representative players. Our coach does not have thjs capacity as has been evident in 3 months of preseason and 13 rounds. There comes a time where we have to accept that major a error was made in appointing a rookie coach with no experience and hoping to revive this club.
 
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