Sack Sheens Thread

[Yossarian]

all great players have played under several coaches all of who polish their game that little bit extra.

You mean like Darren Lockyer, Billy Slater, Cameron Smith, Sam Thaiday, Cooper Cronk etc?

 

[Winnipeg]

don't sack Sheens

 

[tigertales]

….. I'm suggesting he probably shouldn't have been there to begin with and we should have had another forward there instead

he was there as cover for Robbie, given he was backing up from SOO.

I cant believe that people are still calling for Sheens to be sacked.

5 wins in a row on the back of consecutive top 4 finishes, does he have to walk on water before people give him a break.

Please dont start talking sense on this forum, you will only be shouted down by those secretly hoping that our winning run ends so they can once again reinstate the normal 'sack sheens' mentality.

 

[tig_prmz]

all great players have played under several coaches all of who polish their game that little bit extra.

You mean like Darren Lockyer, Billy Slater, Cameron Smith, Sam Thaiday, Cooper Cronk etc?

andrew johns, wally lewis, brad fittler, laurie daley etc. all the players you mentioned have hardly finished their careers. as for sam thaiday, he has had 3 different coaches + mal meninga + tim sheens at rep levels.

i appreciate what tim has done, he and the recruitment have built a brilliant squad.

 

[bp_tiger]

all those 5 wins have been ugly, and i for one iam still sracthing my head over sheens selections. just because we are winning does not mean sheens is doing a good job. if u watch the games and see what is happening he is making galloway and woods play longer mintues, also blair and bell and fulton. this can be good but for how long can they keep this up for, also the players on the bench get no game time at all and they lose there match fitness, this is not a good why to work ur players.

 

[Yossarian]

all great players have played under several coaches all of who polish their game that little bit extra.

You mean like Darren Lockyer, Billy Slater, Cameron Smith, Sam Thaiday, Cooper Cronk etc?

andrew johns, wally lewis, brad fittler, laurie daley etc. all the players you mentioned have hardly finished their careers. as for sam thaiday, he has had 3 different coaches + mal meninga + tim sheens at rep levels.

i appreciate what tim has done, he and the recruitment have built a brilliant squad.

Well in that case Benji has a had a number of different NZ coaches, Farah has played SOO under two coaches…

 

[tig_prmz]

you cant coach someone in one or two games :bash :bash

i noticed how you didnt take into account the other things i said aye? :crazy

 

[Tigerdave]

all those 5 wins have been ugly, and i for one iam still sracthing my head over sheens selections. just because we are winning does not mean sheens is doing a good job. if u watch the games and see what is happening he is making galloway and woods play longer mintues, also blair and bell and fulton. this can be good but for how long can they keep this up for, also the players on the bench get no game time at all and they lose there match fitness, this is not a good why to work ur players.

Exactly, I'm a little concerned about the forwards being burned out having to do a lot of work, only have 2 forwards on the bench may not be the best thing to be doing in the long term.

 

[tig_prmz]

all those 5 wins have been ugly, and i for one iam still sracthing my head over sheens selections. just because we are winning does not mean sheens is doing a good job. if u watch the games and see what is happening he is making galloway and woods play longer mintues, also blair and bell and fulton. this can be good but for how long can they keep this up for, also the players on the bench get no game time at all and they lose there match fitness, this is not a good why to work ur players.

Exactly, I'm a little concerned about the forwards being burned out having to do a lot of work, only have 2 forwards on the bench may not be the best thing to be doing in the long term.

same here, imagine how effective woods and galloways runs would be if they played for 60 rather than 70+.
gotta command woods on his fitness though, hopefully he doesn't burn out

 

[claws]

Are the minutes played(output), linked with the amount of income?

 

[alexaki]

In the 80's the props played for 80 minutes…ask blocker if he would have liked to play 60 minutes
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[Tigerdave]

I would think that the game is played at a much faster level now than it was in 80s, plus sides were closer together then, so less running back and forward to get back into the defensive line

 

[900large]

For a bloke who can't coach, and a team bored with the same old rubbish, he seems to somehow be getting his boys to perform in tight ones.
He chops and changes players like he has lost his marbles… Those positional options seem to have worked
He was an idiot for letting Gibbs and Fifita go to upgrade woods and groat, wow that was stupid.
Moving Benji to 1/2 was crazy... He is playing his best footy this year there.
The bottom line is the guy knows how to coach, he plans for october not april, and plans years ahead, fully aware if who will be there in one two five years time.
The under 20s is the product of sheens' eye for first grade in the next 2 years. This is why Gus wanted him at penrith.
Sack sheens? Sure, let's let some other team get him, steal our young guns, and watch us slide back to the high flying days pre 2005.
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[Cysquatch]

For a bloke who can't coach, and a team bored with the same old rubbish, he seems to somehow be getting his boys to perform in tight ones.
He chops and changes players like he has lost his marbles… Those positional options seem to have worked
He was an idiot for letting Gibbs and Fifita go to upgrade woods and groat, wow that was stupid.
Moving Benji to 1/2 was crazy... He is playing his best footy this year there.
The bottom line is the guy knows how to coach, he plans for october not april, and plans years ahead, fully aware if who will be there in one two five years time.
The under 20s is the product of sheens' eye for first grade in the next 2 years. This is why Gus wanted him at penrith.
Sack sheens? Sure, let's let some other team get him, steal our young guns, and watch us slide back to the high flying days pre 2005.
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I agree with this.

As much as he makes me scratch my head sometimes and leave me nervous, who am I to say sack him. I mean really, do any of us see what happens day in and day out at WT? You may not agree with his judgement but he had turned us in to what we are today. That is namely, very competitive and respected as a club. Which we were not before he arrived save for the first bit of 2000
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[Anthism]

Possibly the worst thread be bumped up particularly at this stage.
Yeah let's get another coach like Bennett or Bellamy. It's clearly working for Newcastle -.-
Yeah good luck with that forum coaches why don't you coach a first grade team - oh wait they'd laugh you down at the application because you have no credibility. Yes you can have opinions but until you find a proper reason to sack Sheens (I'd probably only agree if we made consecutive seasons at the bottom 3) then just go along with the positive results and stop being so destructive to a team that is and has been a Premiership contender for a number of years and a winner at that. I'm pretty sure all the stuff you criticize has a reason behind it by someone who is at WT training and knows more about his players and is respected by them too which is more than any other coach will get at this stage in time.
P.s the bench on the weekend was fine have a good think individually about each player and then consider injuries and you may work out the reasoning behind each choice. Clue - missing Cashmere and Fulton, Sironen on debut, bench utility, 80min back rowers. Kgo
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[adamtiger]

if we were to sack sheens, we would abolutly crazy…. think about our forward pack compared to last year. We are basically going through a rebuilding phase at the club and potentially a top 4 squad. The centres are cemeted for years to come and we are looking for solid wingers that are coming through the U20's and will be there ina couple from now.

yeah we signed a ton of backrowers who are all young and hungry fighting for positions. curtis sironen is ONLY 18 and will not be consistent next year hence anasta to mould and groum him into a solid first grader.

we are going in the right direction in looking towards the future but still stabilising a solid team who on paper pre season were premeriship favourites.

TBH if we dont sign moltzen and or humble i think we will be weak at the no.1 with onyl todesco who yes looks very promising but is still green, if moltzen and or humble signs there is depth throughout that entire squad.

I am happy to be supporting the direciton of this club compared to others in st george, parramatta, gold coast and newcastle to just name a few which seem to be going backwards!!

 

[supercoach]

Have never doubted he can coach but Iam a great believer that all coaches have a shelve life, okay people might say what about Bennett at the Bronks, well in my op ion maybe they would have won more comps if they had changed coaches, we will never know.

I think its time for a new coach even if we win the comp, a new vision,new motivational speaches,new support staff. You have to reinvent yourself every five years or so. Anyway waste time because he has a contract and the Tigers will not pay it out even if we came mother less last and that is not going to happen. Look our senior coaches are all on struggle street Bennett and Smith and Sheens to a much lesser extent, I mean with the team at his disposal injuries and bad calls aside we should not have dropped all those games.

Iam still far from convinced with his selections,use of the bench and general team set up but five wins on a trot he must be doing something right in saying that we could also dropped at least four of them if the ball had bounced the other way

 

[magpiecol]

Have never doubted he can coach but Iam a great believer that all coaches have a shelve life, okay people might say what about Bennett at the Bronks, well in my op ion maybe they would have won more comps if they had changed coaches, we will never know.

I think its time for a new coach even if we win the comp, a new vision,new motivational speaches,new support staff. You have to reinvent yourself every five years or so. Anyway waste time because he has a contract and the Tigers will not pay it out even if we came mother less last and that is not going to happen. Look our senior coaches are all on struggle street Bennett and Smith and Sheens to a much lesser extent, I mean with the team at his disposal injuries and bad calls aside we should not have dropped all those games.

Iam still far from convinced with his selections,use of the bench and general team set up but five wins on a trot he must be doing something right in saying that we could also dropped at least four of them if the ball had bounced the other way

Well said.

We know what is happening under Sheens, what we do not know is how we would go under a new coach. Might even be better. We will never know until we try it.

 

[Goose]

You all know Tim Sheens is a real person with a real job.

Can you imagine if your boss pulled you into a meeting and said, look I know you are performing strongly and getting excellent results, we think we have a good future at least partially due to you, all your direct reports like you, but we think they maybe like you too much, and even tho they are performing and you are performing, some people dont like the way you are getting your results, so unfortunately we are going to have to sack you.

Do you think that would be fair??

Cause everyone asking for Sheens to be sacked is asking for Tim's boss (Steve Humphrie) to say exactly that to Tim.

Change for change sake is in most cases detrimental.

For those who want to sack Sheens, what is the pass mark for Tim, 2 top 4 finishes and 5 wins on the trot and people still arn't happy, Im glad my stake holders are not so hard to please.

 

[andrew 474]

carefull , you may get brian smith or ricky stuart , steve kearny , , i woudnt feed any of them , all the good coaches going well will be looked after by there current club , its the devil you know or a dud