OFFICIAL SG Ball Cup

BlackWhiteGold said:
Hey guys, this season with the Bar TV coverage of all games & just for shits'n giggles, I'm going to do my own POY points for Magpies & Tigers. It'll be a 7 down to 1 point for players if their team wins & 5 down to 1 if their team loses.

Round 1 - Balmain
7 Marc Tannous
6 Logan Brookes
5 Zane Farr-McKay
4 Xavier Tauaifaiga
3 Jared Haywood
2 Will Stone
1 Jordan Bunt

Round 1 - Wests
5 Riley Oitmann
4 Archie Duncombe
3 Kohan Lewis
2 Tye Bursill
1 Pheonix Godinet

I'm endeavouring to watch each game twice and using some of the great player reviews on here for validation each week as well as some good analysts on Instagram like @theshortball

On 2nd watch of this game, Tigers were the dominant team in general play. Impressed by their line speed in D and fast ruck play and play-the-balls to have them on the front foot which really allowed Tannous, Brookes & De Vries to excel around the ruck.

Amazingly Wests should have levelled the scores with Jack Nicholas going himself when in the clear and had 3-4 support players inside. Logan Brookes did pull off an impressive cover tackle which was a big turning point. But really Balmain won this game in the 10 mins after HT.

Easily could have had other Balmain players in the points as most of their players had really good games. For Wests, Riley Oitmann (despite one dropped ball off a kick) was great. Scored one Papenhuyzen-esque try backing up, saved 2-3 tries with his cover defence, made some strong carries from the wing with his leg speed in the 1st half & was generally safe at fullback in the 2nd including try-savers on Logan Brookes & holding up Joseph Partch in the 2nd.

Archie was strong in the 1st half and was noticeable to difference he made around the middle when he was off. Same with Kohan Lewis. Godinet made a couple of handling errors but produced some strong carries & contact in defence.

I'd give Makasini the benefit of the doubt in this game. He actually made some strong carries out of his end, took a good contested bomb from a drop-out, put his winger away with good hands which should have led to a try and didn't do much wrong in defence. He's probably a victim in this game from non-dominant halves and a forward pack that didn't often get on top to provide space & time for the halves, and credit also to Moughan, Tannous, Haywood who were often up on him in D.

I'll try to do the same for Harold Matts over the coming days. Have watched once but want to watch again.
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Think you might have Godinet mixed up with Laupepa. Laupepa was the 12. Godinet barely did anything.
 
balmain boy said:
I've got to say after watching this game last night that it was pretty embarrassing. Both teams were terrible, Balmain the better side though. Both teams had no structure in attack or defence, there were no players on either side who showed any real talent or promise. Just a crap show of hundreds of poor errors really.
The first half was just atrocious. Wests somehow managed to go 30 minutes without passing the ball to their main strike weapon in Makasini. Like seriously, it's not that complicated, get him the ball as early and frequently as you can. He took a few hit ups and should have taken more. For now he's a winger though at any level above Ball.

Wests halves weren't SG Ball standard. Karnib was a mini jack in the box, attack was decent, defence was poor and I think he went off injured.

Balmains 14 really changed the game when he came on, adding a lot of energy and directness which put the Tigers on the front foot. Haywood was solid but quiet. I thought Tannous was the best half on the field, but he was still quite poor. A non existent passing and kicking game, though he did get a couple of repeat sets from deft grubbers. That's the only time I noticed him. Apparently got two try assists but more out of passing the ball to someone who did something to score than by him throwing a great ball to create space.

Balmains backs were all pretty average. Xavier looked lively and willing, not treated in defence though as Wests never spread the ball all game. With his team down by 6 with 10 to go, and 3 unmarked players on his inside who'd all score under the posts, I've no idea how Nicholas chose to go out himself. He'd be running an extra 100 laps at training on Monday if I were his coach. He cost his team any chance of pulling out an unlikely win. You simply have to pass 1000% of the time when you're through with a 4 on 1.

I was wondering if it was Logan Brookes at the back when they listed him under a different name on the nswrl website. His second half was decent.

Wests pack was invisible, none of them showed up which was very disappointing. Balmains starting props made the difference with some strong runs.

All in all a very underwhelming match, and I'd agree that based on this game neither side will come close to finals in Ball. Maybe a massive kick up the bum might wake Wests up
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how many beers you had before you switched it on?
 
Bellend said:
Don't understand why you want to rush Makasani??

Let him finish his schooling off,let him play the season out move to flegg and then spend the off season under a fitness conditioner/sprint coach. The kid has real talent let come along a slow steady pace.
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He needs to be mentally prepared aswell
 
poopy_diaper said:
Think you might have Godinet mixed up with Laupepa. Laupepa was the 12. Godinet barely did anything.
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Certainly wasn't Godinet's best game by a long shot but thought he showed some glimpses of quality with some of his runs with strong leg drive & particularly on the other side of the ball in defence with his contact. He made a couple of handling errors trying things and I reckon he'll be much better for the run this week.
 
Bellend said:
Don't understand why you want to rush Makasani??

Let him finish his schooling off,let him play the season out move to flegg and then spend the off season under a fitness conditioner/sprint coach. The kid has real talent let come along a slow steady pace.
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I couldn't agree more. He has always been the dominant big kid in his own age group but hasn't had anywhere near the same success when playing up even a single age group. Bring him through slowly, let him adapt as the game gets faster and more physical. Throwing him into open age straight away could be hugely detrimental to his long-term development.
 
poopy_diaper said:
how many beers you had before you switched it on?
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None
If you're impressed in a match with 30-40 handling errors then you're too easily impressed.
A few half decent performances, sure. Workman type performances, but very little class on show. Only round one and combinations can still grow as the teams gel.
 
Sully said:
Agreed Karnib dropped two bombs that Balmain scored off soon after.
Makasini is a big unit for 17 and needs to get more involved as he had a quite game. The Magpies side looked physically bigger, however the Balmain side played strong D and scrambled well when the Magpies shifted to the wings where they found some gaps but failed to pass the ball for certain tries.

Good first hit out and entertaining to watch. Galvin hung around and watched a lot of the game with Will Craig cheering on the Wests team which is good for culture.
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Makasini needs to get involved more 100%. In that team he needs to be calling for that ball!
 
balmain boy said:
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If you're impressed in a match with 30-40 handling errors then you're too easily impressed.
A few half decent performances, sure. Workman type performances, but very little class on show. Only round one and combinations can still grow as the teams gel.
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They're kids. It's a sloppier level. How many other SG Ball games did you watch?
 
Vicious said:
I watched the extended highlights of the Rabbitohs v Dragons SG Ball game and the Dragons were very average defensively.
Based on that you would think Balmain should be winning again tomorrow.
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A week can make a difference. Hopefully Balmain win again but it’s still wait and see.
 
jojo said:
I couldn't agree more. He has always been the dominant big kid in his own age group but hasn't had anywhere near the same success when playing up even a single age group. Bring him through slowly, let him adapt as the game gets faster and more physical. Throwing him into open age straight away could be hugely detrimental to his long-term development.
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I haven't seen Makasini play, though certainly agree with the ultimate sentence and particularly so if your take in the second one is correct.

Geez, that bit is worrying, as for mine every very talented kid, particularly the bigger ones should always be playing up a grade, revel in it and still more than hold their own.
 
Tim Sheens said:
I haven't seen Makasini play, though certainly agree with the ultimate sentence and particularly so if your take in the second one is correct.

Geez, that bit is worrying, as for mine every very talented kid, particularly the bigger ones should always be playing up a grade, revel in it and still more than hold their own.
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You've got to remember he's been training with first grade over the offseason and suddenly he's thrown back in with SG Ball where he has few combinations and probably hasn't trained much with them since last year's matts squad
 
Tigers_Wests said:
Peter Taai down injured and the game has come to a complete halt with players leaving the field after 7 minutes. Appeared to be having seizures from a head knock and not in a good way. Thoughts with him at the moment.
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I was watching it on the live stream, not good at all, hoping he’s ok.
 
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