Sheens replacing Madge

[hobbo1]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Who do you think told him to remove Farah. It would not have been Pascoe’s idea.

You absolutely can have organisation’s where the CEO has operational and financial responsibility but not football responsibility. Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team. In that instance the CEO only has operational responsibility ie pay and entitlements over the football dept, but the head of football has performance responsibility and would report to the Board.

Many organisations are set up like this.

As I said I haven’t seen an Org Chart but viewing how things have occurred I think this is most likely how Wests Tigers are run. Before the head of football was appointed it would have been solely the coach.

It is even more likely when there is such a different skill set needed to run each side of the business of a footy club.

Exactly.

Football clubs are really a 2 headed beast, you have the football department and then virtually unrelated the commercial side of the business. Both sides rely on the results of the other but the management of them would usually be best kept separate.

Does Hartigan report direct to the board?

No

So Pascoe appoints Hartigan.
Hartigan reports to Pascoe.
Pascoe is there when negotiating contracts.
But he had nothing to do with the football dept.

And people believe that??

I wouldn’t have a clue mate ?
It was a 50/50 so I went NO

Sorry ... ?

 

[gallagher]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Who do you think told him to remove Farah. It would not have been Pascoe’s idea.

You absolutely can have organisation’s where the CEO has operational and financial responsibility but not football responsibility. Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team. In that instance the CEO only has operational responsibility ie pay and entitlements over the football dept, but the head of football has performance responsibility and would report to the Board.

Many organisations are set up like this.

As I said I haven’t seen an Org Chart but viewing how things have occurred I think this is most likely how Wests Tigers are run. Before the head of football was appointed it would have been solely the coach.

It is even more likely when there is such a different skill set needed to run each side of the business of a footy club.

Exactly.

Football clubs are really a 2 headed beast, you have the football department and then virtually unrelated the commercial side of the business. Both sides rely on the results of the other but the management of them would usually be best kept separate.

Does Hartigan report direct to the board?

No

So Pascoe appoints Hartigan.
Hartigan reports to Pascoe.
Pascoe is there when negotiating contracts.
But he had nothing to do with the football dept.

And people believe that??

I wouldn’t have a clue mate ?
It was a 50/50 so I went NO

Sorry ... ?

? you boofhead

 

[hobbo1]

Surely someone gets the axe from this years performance I’m looking at hartigan.

After 1 game of Maumalo he should be shown the door .

 

[GCfan]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team.

Based on results, I think our Football department are clueless on what makes up a good football team!..?

I think our current football department with Hartigan leading the way is re-building well. Bringing juniors through with a mix of players from other teams. Results will come.

Yep 2027 is gonna be a good year, I can feel it!

 

[GCfan]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team.

Based on results, I think our Football department are clueless on what makes up a good football team!..?

Send them a email and give them your advice, I am sure they will welcome it?

They don’t need anymore emails and opinion on what needs fixing. I’m sure they already get plenty

 

[BAGNF05]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team.

Based on results, I think our Football department are clueless on what makes up a good football team!..?

I think our current football department with Hartigan leading the way is re-building well. Bringing juniors through with a mix of players from other teams. Results will come.

Yep 2027 is gonna be a good year, I can feel it!

Geez you gotta be patient mate, Brooksy’s unborn son is potentially one of the best young players this club has ever considered signing.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

Maguire's batting average is in deficit.

Pascoe's average is near Sir Donald's.

We all know who should have fallen on his sword after the debacle last Saturday.

 

[gallagher]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

Maguire's batting average is in deficit.

Pascoe's average is near Sir Donald's.

We all know who should have fallen on his sword after the debacle last Saturday.

No coach is gonna quit. If Madge has to go then that's up to Sir Donald.

 

[sleeve]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team.

Based on results, I think our Football department are clueless on what makes up a good football team!..?

I think our current football department with Hartigan leading the way is re-building well. Bringing juniors through with a mix of players from other teams. Results will come.

Yep 2027 is gonna be a good year, I can feel it!

Geez you gotta be patient mate, Brooksy’s unborn son is potentially one of the best young players this club has ever considered signing.

POOR TASTE IN THE EXTREME.

 

[weststigerman]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

Maguire's batting average is in deficit.

Pascoe's average is near Sir Donald's.

We all know who should have fallen on his sword after the debacle last Saturday.

Didn’t realise Sir Donald was suspended for 6 months. Learn something every day.

 

[cochise]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Who do you think told him to remove Farah. It would not have been Pascoe’s idea.

You absolutely can have organisation’s where the CEO has operational and financial responsibility but not football responsibility. Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team. In that instance the CEO only has operational responsibility ie pay and entitlements over the football dept, but the head of football has performance responsibility and would report to the Board.

Many organisations are set up like this.

As I said I haven’t seen an Org Chart but viewing how things have occurred I think this is most likely how Wests Tigers are run. Before the head of football was appointed it would have been solely the coach.

It is even more likely when there is such a different skill set needed to run each side of the business of a footy club.

Exactly.

Football clubs are really a 2 headed beast, you have the football department and then virtually unrelated the commercial side of the business. Both sides rely on the results of the other but the management of them would usually be best kept separate.

Does Hartigan report direct to the board?

No, on paper it is to Pascoe but having spoken to him a number of times he has a lot of freedom in his role.

 

[cochise]

Surely someone gets the axe from this years performance I’m looking at hartigan.

If that is the decision we make we are in a lot of trouble.

 

[GCfan]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team.

Based on results, I think our Football department are clueless on what makes up a good football team!..?

I think our current football department with Hartigan leading the way is re-building well. Bringing juniors through with a mix of players from other teams. Results will come.

Yep 2027 is gonna be a good year, I can feel it!

Geez you gotta be patient mate, Brooksy’s unborn son is potentially one of the best young players this club has ever considered signing.

Yeah, his young blokes gonna be the next Nathan Cleary

 

[tony soprano]

Surely someone gets the axe from this years performance I’m looking at hartigan.

If that is the decision we make we are in a lot of trouble.

The system ain’t working at the moment would you agree and who would you let go?

 

[tony soprano]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team.

Based on results, I think our Football department are clueless on what makes up a good football team!..?

I think our current football department with Hartigan leading the way is re-building well. Bringing juniors through with a mix of players from other teams. Results will come.

Yep 2027 is gonna be a good year, I can feel it!

Geez you gotta be patient mate, Brooksy’s unborn son is potentially one of the best young players this club has ever considered signing.

Yeah, his young blokes gonna be the next Nathan Cleary

Can picture him doing the Perfect lob bomb to an edge now

 

[cochise]

Surely someone gets the axe from this years performance I’m looking at hartigan.

If that is the decision we make we are in a lot of trouble.

The system ain’t working at the moment would you agree and who would you let go?

No I don't agree, I think the changes we are currently making are to ensure our future. We are signing good young talent, we are now putting the systems in place to ensure they have the best opportunity to transition into 1st grade.

Hartigan would be the last person I sack.

 

[TigerWest]

We can't replace Madge at the moment, purely for our credibility externally. He has the runs on the board.

The changes would need to be made at CEO level first, before we contemplate the coach. Even if the issue is the coach, he hasn't presided over the hole that we're in. He's desperately trying to dig us out.

I've always been a big backer of Pascoe, but he may need to fall on his sword soon if things don't improve.

What does Pascoe have todo with performance of the football department?

He had a direct hand in the farah fiasco, backing JT at the time and also losing the 'Big 3'. To say he is not accountable for anything to do with football is rubbish.

A CEO cannot appoint a manager underneath him (i.e. Head Coach) and absolve responsibility. It's not 2 separate organizations.

Is the head coach also responsible to ensure that the junior pathway structure is set? Or does the CEO make sure he has the right people in for that. Major dropped ball there.

Lets also not forget the direct impact he had on our football department with that cap fine.

Who do you think told him to remove Farah. It would not have been Pascoe’s idea.

You absolutely can have organisation’s where the CEO has operational and financial responsibility but not football responsibility. Most CEO’s would be clueless when it comes to what makes a good football team. In that instance the CEO only has operational responsibility ie pay and entitlements over the football dept, but the head of football has performance responsibility and would report to the Board.

Many organisations are set up like this.

As I said I haven’t seen an Org Chart but viewing how things have occurred I think this is most likely how Wests Tigers are run. Before the head of football was appointed it would have been solely the coach.

It is even more likely when there is such a different skill set needed to run each side of the business of a footy club.

Exactly.

Football clubs are really a 2 headed beast, you have the football department and then virtually unrelated the commercial side of the business. Both sides rely on the results of the other but the management of them would usually be best kept separate.

Does Hartigan report direct to the board?

No

So Pascoe appoints Hartigan.
Hartigan reports to Pascoe.
Pascoe is there when negotiating contracts.
But he had nothing to do with the football dept.

And people believe that??

Pascoe would have sign off, before it went to the board I would think?
But he would take advice from his experts. You don't pay them huge salaries for them to sit back and let Pascoe do all the work?

Didn't he appiont his experts?

Yes, but he has them here for there knowledge and expertise, he wouldn’t quickly override them, as I said they are paid well to deliver advice, you would expect them to have more expertise then the CEO, otherwise they wouldn't be there, much like all businesses operate?

 

[tony soprano]

Surely someone gets the axe from this years performance I’m looking at hartigan.

If that is the decision we make we are in a lot of trouble.

The system ain’t working at the moment would you agree and who would you let go?

No I don't agree, I think the changes we are currently making are to ensure our future. We are signing good young talent, we are now putting the systems in place to ensure they have the best opportunity to transition into 1st grade.

Hartigan would be the last person I sack.

We got beat by over 60 the current mob are hopeless

 

[cochise]

Surely someone gets the axe from this years performance I’m looking at hartigan.

If that is the decision we make we are in a lot of trouble.

The system ain’t working at the moment would you agree and who would you let go?

No I don't agree, I think the changes we are currently making are to ensure our future. We are signing good young talent, we are now putting the systems in place to ensure they have the best opportunity to transition into 1st grade.

Hartigan would be the last person I sack.

We got beat by over 60 the current mob are hopeless

Which has nothing to do with what I said, we are currently building for the future and you want to sack the one guy that has the most chance of ensuring we are attracting the right young players to our club.

 

[tony soprano]

Surely someone gets the axe from this years performance I’m looking at hartigan.

If that is the decision we make we are in a lot of trouble.

The system ain’t working at the moment would you agree and who would you let go?

No I don't agree, I think the changes we are currently making are to ensure our future. We are signing good young talent, we are now putting the systems in place to ensure they have the best opportunity to transition into 1st grade.

Hartigan would be the last person I sack.

We got beat by over 60 the current mob are hopeless

Which has nothing to do with what I said, we are currently building for the future and you want to sack the one guy that has the most chance of ensuring we are attracting the right young players to our club.

Who would you let go of then?

Or it’s all rainbows ? and this lot are Magically going to turn things around?


Someone needs to go this year performance should be unacceptable