Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

balmain boy said:
Seyfarth is a solid squaddie for any NRL club. If he's starting then you've got a weak squad. For most clubs he'd be 17-20 in their roster. A fringe player who plays maybe 12-13 matches a season, a handy backup to plug a gap on the bench. But he's still barely a first grader, despite his improvement his disciplinary is atrocious, his handling is poor, his lateral defence is terrible. His metreage is poor. He's all effort and enthusiasm, which is much needed, he gives everything he's got but simply trying hard doesn't get a run in most 17s.
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Yes, pretty much sums up the situation. This is his 6th season.
 
Canadian Club said:
I respect your opinion, but he does not walk into every teams 17. Hate to be 'that guy' but iv'e spoken to two good friends who are at two different clubs (top 30) and they have both mentioned that Seyfarth is consistently identified as the point of attack (weak link) due to his poor discipline, lateral movement and technique. Basically, in video sessions other clubs identify him and look to exploit him. That is coach driven.

Full transparency, i have been critical of Seyfarth in the past and have backed that up with reasoning. But i also will say that hes been better in some areas this year.. But to say he walks into every 17 is honestly ridiculous. He has been in the NRL set up for 5-6 years and other than the Warriors 3 years ago no team has shown any interest in Seyfarth.

Im not here to talk down on Seyfarth, I personally think he has improved this year so credit where credit is due. But the reality is this. Does he deserve to be in the NRL? Yes. Is he a starting backrower that will get you into the top 4 or in a premiership? no.

His metreage is well below average, he has slow play the balls, his discipline is really poor, he has bad errors in him and above all he makes the worst mistakes at the absolute worst times (eg. gave the penalty away for the warriors to win, gave the error which lead to the Mulitalo try before half time in the sharks game).

The issue is that the forum is split into the 'hate Seyfarth' and the 'love Seyfarth camp' so much that neither camp can see the reality. The haters dont think he should be in the 17, and the lovers are living on pure copium and will defend mediocrity until the end, even if it means that team doesnt get better.

In my opinion everyone just needs to accept that Seyfarth is a good clubman, decent player and deserves to be in the squad, however if we want to be a serious title contender he needs to be number 15-20 in the squad. Solid bench/depth player.
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This, the guy is depth at best in a good team. The guy wouldn’t even sniff a top 17 spot in any top 8 team unless they had an injury crisis. Seyfarth has literally cost us games and almost given others with his piss port discipline. The issue is he has little to no competition for that spot and

Reality is we had certain posters on here who latched on to him early because they saw his one 50 tackle game from three years ago and now use that as the reason why they think he’s a good player while ignoring 95% of his career where he has been below average These people refuse to entertain the idea that they may have been wrong about him despite all evidence showing that they are. Hell, we had a poster claim we didn’t need ANGUS CRICHTON because we had Seyfart so that’s the level of delusion we’re dealing with from that camp. Funnily enough, it’s the same posters who defended Brooks till the very end so take that for what it’s worth.

While that poor excuse of a second rower is starting in our team, we will always be limited.
 
rihannafan1 said:
Bird has sucked in the centres.
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So has Naden.
Centre stock is really low when we are debating who we prefer out of them two.
Bird is the word for me, I guess, his best and worst games are not as far apart. Where as Naden, he is like a box of chocolates with to many Turkish delights, or bullets, or he is more like pumpkin covered in chocolate. Anyway I think you get where I’m coming from; we need better centre depth so we don’t have to crappy chocolates.
 
Buttface said:
So has Naden.
Centre stock is really low when we are debating who we prefer out of them two.
Bird is the word for me, I guess, his best and worst games are not as far apart. Where as Naden, he is like a box of chocolates with to many Turkish delights, or bullets, or he is more like pumpkin covered in chocolate. Anyway I think you get where I’m coming from; we need better centre depth so we don’t have to crappy chocolates.
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Centre was always going to be our major weakness this year especially after our best centre (Olam) was forced to retire due to injury.We need good replacements asap
 
Canadian Club said:
I respect your opinion, but he does not walk into every teams 17. Hate to be 'that guy' but iv'e spoken to two good friends who are at two different clubs (top 30) and they have both mentioned that Seyfarth is consistently identified as the point of attack (weak link) due to his poor discipline, lateral movement and technique. Basically, in video sessions other clubs identify him and look to exploit him. That is coach driven.

Full transparency, i have been critical of Seyfarth in the past and have backed that up with reasoning. But i also will say that hes been better in some areas this year.. But to say he walks into every 17 is honestly ridiculous. He has been in the NRL set up for 5-6 years and other than the Warriors 3 years ago no team has shown any interest in Seyfarth.

Im not here to talk down on Seyfarth, I personally think he has improved this year so credit where credit is due. But the reality is this. Does he deserve to be in the NRL? Yes. Is he a starting backrower that will get you into the top 4 or in a premiership? no.

His metreage is well below average, he has slow play the balls, his discipline is really poor, he has bad errors in him and above all he makes the worst mistakes at the absolute worst times (eg. gave the penalty away for the warriors to win, gave the error which lead to the Mulitalo try before half time in the sharks game).

The issue is that the forum is split into the 'hate Seyfarth' and the 'love Seyfarth camp' so much that neither camp can see the reality. The haters dont think he should be in the 17, and the lovers are living on pure copium and will defend mediocrity until the end, even if it means that team doesnt get better.

In my opinion everyone just needs to accept that Seyfarth is a good clubman, decent player and deserves to be in the squad, however if we want to be a serious title contender he needs to be number 15-20 in the squad. Solid bench/depth player.
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Agree
But at this point we have no one better to replace him with.
Hoping one day we can afford to have Seyfarth, Staines and Naden all as reserves meaning our squad would be much stronger than it is now.
We are building just need IMO
another 2 seasons to get there.
 
Buttface said:
So has Naden.
Centre stock is really low when we are debating who we prefer out of them two.
Bird is the word for me, I guess, his best and worst games are not as far apart. Where as Naden, he is like a box of chocolates with to many Turkish delights, or bullets, or he is more like pumpkin covered in chocolate. Anyway I think you get where I’m coming from; we need better centre depth so we don’t have to crappy chocolates.
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Buttface if naden was all Turkish delight and bullets he would be perfect. I think you need to work on your analogies a bit more mate.
 
Bird started the season well but there's definitely been a drop in the past few weeks. I just don't think he's offering much at all of late. It's a shame because I thought he'd do well in that ball-playing 13 role, but he's just not strong enough in the middle.
 
Lukic said:
Bird started the season well but there's definitely been a drop in the past few weeks. I just don't think he's offering much at all of late. It's a shame because I thought he'd do well in that ball-playing 13 role, but he's just not strong enough in the middle.
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I think he's been alright there but I think injuries and bench rotation have exposed him. I think the coaching staff have struggled with their timing of substitutions.
 
Batmans Parents said:
This, the guy is depth at best in a good team. The guy wouldn’t even sniff a top 17 spot in any top 8 team unless they had an injury crisis. Seyfarth has literally cost us games and almost given others with his piss port discipline. The issue is he has little to no competition for that spot and

Reality is we had certain posters on here who latched on to him early because they saw his one 50 tackle game from three years ago and now use that as the reason why they think he’s a good player while ignoring 95% of his career where he has been below average These people refuse to entertain the idea that they may have been wrong about him despite all evidence showing that they are. Hell, we had a poster claim we didn’t need ANGUS CRICHTON because we had Seyfart so that’s the level of delusion we’re dealing with from that camp. Funnily enough, it’s the same posters who defended Brooks till the very end so take that for what it’s worth.

While that poor excuse of a second rower is starting in our team, we will always be limited.
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Duh!! We are in the top eight.
 
Oldman said:
Agree
But at this point we have no one better to replace him with.
Hoping one day we can afford to have Seyfarth, Staines and Naden all as reserves meaning our squad would be much stronger than it is now.
We are building just need IMO
another 2 seasons to get there.
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With the new teams into the NRL, players will be in greater demand than they are now. Those players you mentioned will be playing NRL. Player managers are going to love the expansion.
 
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