Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[crazycat]

Is Tyson Frizzel on the Market?

Why go for AJ, JAC or Doulei?
Get a good platform up front. We have BJ Leulia to fill a gap in the centers with one reserve, Let a Junior come and have a crack if these three want to wait on the bench at Souths.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Is Tyson Frizzel on the Market?

Why go for AJ, JAC or Doulei?
Get a good platform up front. We have BJ Leulia to fill a gap in the centers with one reserve, Let a Junior come and have a crack if these three want to wait on the bench at Souths.

No he is not.

 

[4jtigers]

So from what I’ve read tonight we’re considering upgrading a cc player to play fullback and Walters to play 9. 1 nrl game between them. I sure hope this is not true.

They have to start somewhere mate... everyone starts at zero

 

[wokesmoke]

Is Tyson Frizzel on the Market?

Why go for AJ, JAC or Doulei?
Get a good platform up front. We have BJ Leulia to fill a gap in the centers with one reserve, Let a Junior come and have a crack if these three want to wait on the bench at Souths.

No he is not.

Wrong

 

[Fraze23]

I'm not sure where this fits into the conversation as a whole. But Mbye at hooker might not be so bad. He played a grand final at hooker and we need to get some value out of him. I don't see him providing that value at fullback or centre if Leilua joins.

Worst thing is that Madge is left solving Ivan's problem. A pox on the Cleary's.

 

[avocadoontoast]

I'm not sure where this fits into the conversation as a whole. But Mbye at hooker might not be so bad. He played a grand final at hooker and we need to get some value out of him. I don't see him providing that value at fullback or centre if Leilua joins.

Worst thing is that Madge is left solving Ivan's problem. A pox on the Cleary's.

With it looking like we’ve unfortunately missed out on AD I hope Mbye gets another shot at fullback.

 

[mactiger]

I'm not sure where this fits into the conversation as a whole. But Mbye at hooker might not be so bad. He played a grand final at hooker and we need to get some value out of him. I don't see him providing that value at fullback or centre if Leilua joins.

Worst thing is that Madge is left solving Ivan's problem. A pox on the Cleary's.

I'm not sure where this fits into the conversation as a whole. But Mbye at hooker might not be so bad. He played a grand final at hooker and we need to get some value out of him. I don't see him providing that value at fullback or centre if Leilua joins.

Worst thing is that Madge is left solving Ivan's problem. A pox on the Cleary's.

With it looking like we’ve unfortunately missed out on AD I hope Mbye gets another shot at fullback.

Does anyone know how Brad Abby is going if fit he is a very good player.

 

[Fraze23]

I'm not sure where this fits into the conversation as a whole. But Mbye at hooker might not be so bad. He played a grand final at hooker and we need to get some value out of him. I don't see him providing that value at fullback or centre if Leilua joins.

Worst thing is that Madge is left solving Ivan's problem. A pox on the Cleary's.

I'm not sure where this fits into the conversation as a whole. But Mbye at hooker might not be so bad. He played a grand final at hooker and we need to get some value out of him. I don't see him providing that value at fullback or centre if Leilua joins.

Worst thing is that Madge is left solving Ivan's problem. A pox on the Cleary's.

With it looking like we’ve unfortunately missed out on AD I hope Mbye gets another shot at fullback.

Does anyone know how Brad Abby is going if fit he is a very good player.

I hope Abbey proves to be a dark horse. With a bit of luck he could be our Nicole-Clokstad.

 

[twentyforty]

Moses mbye will be playing 9 i’ve heard it out of farahs mouth .. paul siro also said joey leiula is a done deal. Don’t believe me watch rd 1


Yep....and AD is off the WT radar, unless he compromises

As he should be. Read he doesn't want to leave Sydney, that's all well and good, but if you want it bad enough ( to stay) than you would take the pay cut. Souths mistake should not become Wests Tigers mistake.


He wouldn’t be getting a pay cut though would he?
Not for the next 2 years as he has a contract with Souths. The stumbling block in signing for us, as I understand it, is Souths refusing to chip in any money and we won’t consider any deal without them putting in.

This is the problem with back ended deals. Souths now want to move him on but he isn’t worth what they are paying because they short changed him at the start. Now his salary is inflated so they want to move him on. Exactly like when we tried to move Farah.

If I were a player I’d be very hesitant about signing a back ended contract, and if I were a manger, I’d be advising my clients not to sign them.

The NRL could solve the problem by forcing clubs to pay out the average over the contract term. So if it’s a 400k per year deal average for Doueihi, Souths would have to chip in any money above that 400k for the remaining term. It is really money that they owe him from the early years of the contract.

No way that’s a terrible idea , a club SHOULD NOT have to pay a player to play for another club unless by mutual agreement which basically means that the club is desperately trying to move the player on and they are willing to pay for that Privledge . how would you feel I’d WT had to pay for next couple of years, matto to Play for Parra

In this case Matto would need to sign a waver for his release
And don't forget that it was Matto that wanted to leave so he would have to wear the loss or he stays
With Doueihi he is being told he can look elsewhere
If he finds a club (Tigers) that wish to sign him we make our offer $350,000 or less by the look of it
If south's don't want to make up the difference then Doueihi can stay at South's
That will put pressure on their cap
They can't make an offer to Addo-carr

Madge is smart
We had $1,300,000 to sign 3 players
$500,000 for BJ
$300,000 max for Doueihi a guess
That leaves $500,000 for Addo-carr
Now if Doueihi is on $500,000 at South's this season and we pay full freight then south's could out bid us for Addo-car
But if we force souths hand to contribute $200,000 of his contract then we can outbid Souths for Addo-carr

Souths would have Approx $300,000
Tigers would have Approx $500,000
Simple maths
$500,000 would be much more beneficial for Addo-carrs family and would give the Tigers the upper hand

In steps Crow and Packer
Dam we thought we had him

What happens if Eels decide to release Stef from his 2020 contract?
Let’s face it, for the last 10 years we suck at cap management, paying big for under performers and lowballing our good young talent, making them too easily moved on.
I’ve got a good feeling we’re now turning things around. We just need 2 backs with speed and try scoring power, and Stef.

 

[Goldust]

Moses mbye will be playing 9 i’ve heard it out of farahs mouth .. paul siro also said joey leiula is a done deal. Don’t believe me watch rd 1


Yep....and AD is off the WT radar, unless he compromises

As he should be. Read he doesn't want to leave Sydney, that's all well and good, but if you want it bad enough ( to stay) than you would take the pay cut. Souths mistake should not become Wests Tigers mistake.


He wouldn’t be getting a pay cut though would he?
Not for the next 2 years as he has a contract with Souths. The stumbling block in signing for us, as I understand it, is Souths refusing to chip in any money and we won’t consider any deal without them putting in.

This is the problem with back ended deals. Souths now want to move him on but he isn’t worth what they are paying because they short changed him at the start. Now his salary is inflated so they want to move him on. Exactly like when we tried to move Farah.

If I were a player I’d be very hesitant about signing a back ended contract, and if I were a manger, I’d be advising my clients not to sign them.

The NRL could solve the problem by forcing clubs to pay out the average over the contract term. So if it’s a 400k per year deal average for Doueihi, Souths would have to chip in any money above that 400k for the remaining term. It is really money that they owe him from the early years of the contract.

No way that’s a terrible idea , a club SHOULD NOT have to pay a player to play for another club unless by mutual agreement which basically means that the club is desperately trying to move the player on and they are willing to pay for that Privledge . how would you feel I’d WT had to pay for next couple of years, matto to Play for Parra

In this case Matto would need to sign a waver for his release
And don't forget that it was Matto that wanted to leave so he would have to wear the loss or he stays
With Doueihi he is being told he can look elsewhere
If he finds a club (Tigers) that wish to sign him we make our offer $350,000 or less by the look of it
If south's don't want to make up the difference then Doueihi can stay at South's
That will put pressure on their cap
They can't make an offer to Addo-carr

Madge is smart
We had $1,300,000 to sign 3 players
$500,000 for BJ
$300,000 max for Doueihi a guess
That leaves $500,000 for Addo-carr
Now if Doueihi is on $500,000 at South's this season and we pay full freight then south's could out bid us for Addo-car
But if we force souths hand to contribute $200,000 of his contract then we can outbid Souths for Addo-carr

Souths would have Approx $300,000
Tigers would have Approx $500,000
Simple maths
$500,000 would be much more beneficial for Addo-carrs family and would give the Tigers the upper hand

In steps Crow and Packer
Dam we thought we had him


What happens if Eels decide to release Stef from his 2020 contract?
Let’s face it, for the last 10 years we suck at cap management, paying big for under performers and lowballing our good young talent, making them too easily moved on.
I’ve got a good feeling we’re now turning things around. We just need 2 backs with speed and try scoring power, and Stef.

If these whispers about BJ are true
He definitely possesses Try scoring ability decent acceleration for a big lad but top speed not so much

 

[Tcat]

I have a feeling we will be hearing from AD and his management some time very soon. We are not coming across as desperate as we were for LM and we learnt a big lesson with how the media can portray us. I like how Madge is playing this, we've thrown him an offer and if he wants it or if souths pitch in then let's table it up. AD definitely has talent, but the world won't come to an end if we miss out on him. He needs us more than we need him atm.

 

[HabboTiger]

Yep it’s also safe to say that with all the other clubs he will be in a similar situation to Souths, likely 14th man and depth filler.

So it could be a pivotal point in his career, is he a Scott Drinkwater type sniffing around always changing positions or an established first grader...

 

[matchball]

I wouldn't help Souths by taking AD. They will sign JAC with the money from who they move on.
We need to be patient.

 

[OzLuke]

Moses mbye will be playing 9 i’ve heard it out of farahs mouth .. paul siro also said joey leiula is a done deal. Don’t believe me watch rd 1


Yep....and AD is off the WT radar, unless he compromises

As he should be. Read he doesn't want to leave Sydney, that's all well and good, but if you want it bad enough ( to stay) than you would take the pay cut. Souths mistake should not become Wests Tigers mistake.


He wouldn’t be getting a pay cut though would he?
Not for the next 2 years as he has a contract with Souths. The stumbling block in signing for us, as I understand it, is Souths refusing to chip in any money and we won’t consider any deal without them putting in.

This is the problem with back ended deals. Souths now want to move him on but he isn’t worth what they are paying because they short changed him at the start. Now his salary is inflated so they want to move him on. Exactly like when we tried to move Farah.

If I were a player I’d be very hesitant about signing a back ended contract, and if I were a manger, I’d be advising my clients not to sign them.

The NRL could solve the problem by forcing clubs to pay out the average over the contract term. So if it’s a 400k per year deal average for Doueihi, Souths would have to chip in any money above that 400k for the remaining term. It is really money that they owe him from the early years of the contract.

No way that’s a terrible idea , a club SHOULD NOT have to pay a player to play for another club unless by mutual agreement which basically means that the club is desperately trying to move the player on and they are willing to pay for that Privledge . how would you feel I’d WT had to pay for next couple of years, matto to Play for Parra

In this case Matto would need to sign a waver for his release
And don't forget that it was Matto that wanted to leave so he would have to wear the loss or he stays
With Doueihi he is being told he can look elsewhere
If he finds a club (Tigers) that wish to sign him we make our offer $350,000 or less by the look of it
If south's don't want to make up the difference then Doueihi can stay at South's
That will put pressure on their cap
They can't make an offer to Addo-carr

Madge is smart
We had $1,300,000 to sign 3 players
$500,000 for BJ
$300,000 max for Doueihi a guess
That leaves $500,000 for Addo-carr
Now if Doueihi is on $500,000 at South's this season and we pay full freight then south's could out bid us for Addo-car
But if we force souths hand to contribute $200,000 of his contract then we can outbid Souths for Addo-carr

Souths would have Approx $300,000
Tigers would have Approx $500,000
Simple maths
$500,000 would be much more beneficial for Addo-carrs family and would give the Tigers the upper hand

In steps Crow and Packer
Dam we thought we had him


What happens if Eels decide to release Stef from his 2020 contract?
Let’s face it, for the last 10 years we suck at cap management, paying big for under performers and lowballing our good young talent, making them too easily moved on.
I’ve got a good feeling we’re now turning things around. We just need 2 backs with speed and try scoring power, and Stef.


If these whispers about BJ are true
He definitely possesses Try scoring ability decent acceleration for a big lad but top speed not so much

What he does provide is both an x factor and good hit ups to take a bit of heat off the forwards....top speed or not he changes the way other teams see our backs....with him and Nof we can get two good hit ups off kicks ....

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Is Tyson Frizzel on the Market?

Why go for AJ, JAC or Doulei?
Get a good platform up front. We have BJ Leulia to fill a gap in the centers with one reserve, Let a Junior come and have a crack if these three want to wait on the bench at Souths.

No he is not.

Wrong

Time will tell.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Moses mbye will be playing 9 i’ve heard it out of farahs mouth .. paul siro also said joey leiula is a done deal. Don’t believe me watch rd 1


Yep....and AD is off the WT radar, unless he compromises

As he should be. Read he doesn't want to leave Sydney, that's all well and good, but if you want it bad enough ( to stay) than you would take the pay cut. Souths mistake should not become Wests Tigers mistake.


He wouldn’t be getting a pay cut though would he?
Not for the next 2 years as he has a contract with Souths. The stumbling block in signing for us, as I understand it, is Souths refusing to chip in any money and we won’t consider any deal without them putting in.

This is the problem with back ended deals. Souths now want to move him on but he isn’t worth what they are paying because they short changed him at the start. Now his salary is inflated so they want to move him on. Exactly like when we tried to move Farah.

If I were a player I’d be very hesitant about signing a back ended contract, and if I were a manger, I’d be advising my clients not to sign them.

The NRL could solve the problem by forcing clubs to pay out the average over the contract term. So if it’s a 400k per year deal average for Doueihi, Souths would have to chip in any money above that 400k for the remaining term. It is really money that they owe him from the early years of the contract.

No way that’s a terrible idea , a club SHOULD NOT have to pay a player to play for another club unless by mutual agreement which basically means that the club is desperately trying to move the player on and they are willing to pay for that Privledge . how would you feel I’d WT had to pay for next couple of years, matto to Play for Parra

In this case Matto would need to sign a waver for his release
And don't forget that it was Matto that wanted to leave so he would have to wear the loss or he stays
With Doueihi he is being told he can look elsewhere
If he finds a club (Tigers) that wish to sign him we make our offer $350,000 or less by the look of it
If south's don't want to make up the difference then Doueihi can stay at South's
That will put pressure on their cap
They can't make an offer to Addo-carr

Madge is smart
We had $1,300,000 to sign 3 players
$500,000 for BJ
$300,000 max for Doueihi a guess
That leaves $500,000 for Addo-carr
Now if Doueihi is on $500,000 at South's this season and we pay full freight then south's could out bid us for Addo-car
But if we force souths hand to contribute $200,000 of his contract then we can outbid Souths for Addo-carr

Souths would have Approx $300,000
Tigers would have Approx $500,000
Simple maths
$500,000 would be much more beneficial for Addo-carrs family and would give the Tigers the upper hand

In steps Crow and Packer
Dam we thought we had him


What happens if Eels decide to release Stef from his 2020 contract?
Let’s face it, for the last 10 years we suck at cap management, paying big for under performers and lowballing our good young talent, making them too easily moved on.
I’ve got a good feeling we’re now turning things around. We just need 2 backs with speed and try scoring power, and Stef.


If these whispers about BJ are true
He definitely possesses Try scoring ability decent acceleration for a big lad but top speed not so much

What he does provide is both an x factor and good hit ups to take a bit of heat off the forwards....top speed or not he changes the way other teams see our backs....with him and Nof we can get two good hit ups off kicks ....

How about some finishing ie top fast speed over long distances? That is what we need from our backs, not backs doing work that belongs to the forwards

 

[Goldust]

Moses mbye will be playing 9 i’ve heard it out of farahs mouth .. paul siro also said joey leiula is a done deal. Don’t believe me watch rd 1


Yep....and AD is off the WT radar, unless he compromises

As he should be. Read he doesn't want to leave Sydney, that's all well and good, but if you want it bad enough ( to stay) than you would take the pay cut. Souths mistake should not become Wests Tigers mistake.


He wouldn’t be getting a pay cut though would he?
Not for the next 2 years as he has a contract with Souths. The stumbling block in signing for us, as I understand it, is Souths refusing to chip in any money and we won’t consider any deal without them putting in.

This is the problem with back ended deals. Souths now want to move him on but he isn’t worth what they are paying because they short changed him at the start. Now his salary is inflated so they want to move him on. Exactly like when we tried to move Farah.

If I were a player I’d be very hesitant about signing a back ended contract, and if I were a manger, I’d be advising my clients not to sign them.

The NRL could solve the problem by forcing clubs to pay out the average over the contract term. So if it’s a 400k per year deal average for Doueihi, Souths would have to chip in any money above that 400k for the remaining term. It is really money that they owe him from the early years of the contract.

No way that’s a terrible idea , a club SHOULD NOT have to pay a player to play for another club unless by mutual agreement which basically means that the club is desperately trying to move the player on and they are willing to pay for that Privledge . how would you feel I’d WT had to pay for next couple of years, matto to Play for Parra

In this case Matto would need to sign a waver for his release
And don't forget that it was Matto that wanted to leave so he would have to wear the loss or he stays
With Doueihi he is being told he can look elsewhere
If he finds a club (Tigers) that wish to sign him we make our offer $350,000 or less by the look of it
If south's don't want to make up the difference then Doueihi can stay at South's
That will put pressure on their cap
They can't make an offer to Addo-carr

Madge is smart
We had $1,300,000 to sign 3 players
$500,000 for BJ
$300,000 max for Doueihi a guess
That leaves $500,000 for Addo-carr
Now if Doueihi is on $500,000 at South's this season and we pay full freight then south's could out bid us for Addo-car
But if we force souths hand to contribute $200,000 of his contract then we can outbid Souths for Addo-carr

Souths would have Approx $300,000
Tigers would have Approx $500,000
Simple maths
$500,000 would be much more beneficial for Addo-carrs family and would give the Tigers the upper hand

In steps Crow and Packer
Dam we thought we had him


What happens if Eels decide to release Stef from his 2020 contract?
Let’s face it, for the last 10 years we suck at cap management, paying big for under performers and lowballing our good young talent, making them too easily moved on.
I’ve got a good feeling we’re now turning things around. We just need 2 backs with speed and try scoring power, and Stef.


If these whispers about BJ are true
He definitely possesses Try scoring ability decent acceleration for a big lad but top speed not so much

What he does provide is both an x factor and good hit ups to take a bit of heat off the forwards....top speed or not he changes the way other teams see our backs....with him and Nof we can get two good hit ups off kicks ....

Yep ?
Thing I’m most excited about !
Imagine a them two making good meters
Followed by the likes of Josh A,Thomas M and Zane M
Some serious line bending for the first time in years

 

[Goldust]

Moses mbye will be playing 9 i’ve heard it out of farahs mouth .. paul siro also said joey leiula is a done deal. Don’t believe me watch rd 1


Yep....and AD is off the WT radar, unless he compromises

As he should be. Read he doesn't want to leave Sydney, that's all well and good, but if you want it bad enough ( to stay) than you would take the pay cut. Souths mistake should not become Wests Tigers mistake.


He wouldn’t be getting a pay cut though would he?
Not for the next 2 years as he has a contract with Souths. The stumbling block in signing for us, as I understand it, is Souths refusing to chip in any money and we won’t consider any deal without them putting in.

This is the problem with back ended deals. Souths now want to move him on but he isn’t worth what they are paying because they short changed him at the start. Now his salary is inflated so they want to move him on. Exactly like when we tried to move Farah.

If I were a player I’d be very hesitant about signing a back ended contract, and if I were a manger, I’d be advising my clients not to sign them.

The NRL could solve the problem by forcing clubs to pay out the average over the contract term. So if it’s a 400k per year deal average for Doueihi, Souths would have to chip in any money above that 400k for the remaining term. It is really money that they owe him from the early years of the contract.

No way that’s a terrible idea , a club SHOULD NOT have to pay a player to play for another club unless by mutual agreement which basically means that the club is desperately trying to move the player on and they are willing to pay for that Privledge . how would you feel I’d WT had to pay for next couple of years, matto to Play for Parra

In this case Matto would need to sign a waver for his release
And don't forget that it was Matto that wanted to leave so he would have to wear the loss or he stays
With Doueihi he is being told he can look elsewhere
If he finds a club (Tigers) that wish to sign him we make our offer $350,000 or less by the look of it
If south's don't want to make up the difference then Doueihi can stay at South's
That will put pressure on their cap
They can't make an offer to Addo-carr

Madge is smart
We had $1,300,000 to sign 3 players
$500,000 for BJ
$300,000 max for Doueihi a guess
That leaves $500,000 for Addo-carr
Now if Doueihi is on $500,000 at South's this season and we pay full freight then south's could out bid us for Addo-car
But if we force souths hand to contribute $200,000 of his contract then we can outbid Souths for Addo-carr

Souths would have Approx $300,000
Tigers would have Approx $500,000
Simple maths
$500,000 would be much more beneficial for Addo-carrs family and would give the Tigers the upper hand

In steps Crow and Packer
Dam we thought we had him


What happens if Eels decide to release Stef from his 2020 contract?
Let’s face it, for the last 10 years we suck at cap management, paying big for under performers and lowballing our good young talent, making them too easily moved on.
I’ve got a good feeling we’re now turning things around. We just need 2 backs with speed and try scoring power, and Stef.


If these whispers about BJ are true
He definitely possesses Try scoring ability decent acceleration for a big lad but top speed not so much

What he does provide is both an x factor and good hit ups to take a bit of heat off the forwards....top speed or not he changes the way other teams see our backs....with him and Nof we can get two good hit ups off kicks ....

How about some finishing ie top fast speed over long distances? That is what we need from our backs, not backs doing work that belongs to the forwards

I agree
But the modern game almost requires your outside backs to get stuck in early in sets

 

[tony soprano]

I wouldn't help Souths by taking AD. They will sign JAC with the money from who they move on.
We need to be patient.

Bingo

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Moses mbye will be playing 9 i’ve heard it out of farahs mouth .. paul siro also said joey leiula is a done deal. Don’t believe me watch rd 1


Yep....and AD is off the WT radar, unless he compromises

As he should be. Read he doesn't want to leave Sydney, that's all well and good, but if you want it bad enough ( to stay) than you would take the pay cut. Souths mistake should not become Wests Tigers mistake.


He wouldn’t be getting a pay cut though would he?
Not for the next 2 years as he has a contract with Souths. The stumbling block in signing for us, as I understand it, is Souths refusing to chip in any money and we won’t consider any deal without them putting in.

This is the problem with back ended deals. Souths now want to move him on but he isn’t worth what they are paying because they short changed him at the start. Now his salary is inflated so they want to move him on. Exactly like when we tried to move Farah.

If I were a player I’d be very hesitant about signing a back ended contract, and if I were a manger, I’d be advising my clients not to sign them.

The NRL could solve the problem by forcing clubs to pay out the average over the contract term. So if it’s a 400k per year deal average for Doueihi, Souths would have to chip in any money above that 400k for the remaining term. It is really money that they owe him from the early years of the contract.

No way that’s a terrible idea , a club SHOULD NOT have to pay a player to play for another club unless by mutual agreement which basically means that the club is desperately trying to move the player on and they are willing to pay for that Privledge . how would you feel I’d WT had to pay for next couple of years, matto to Play for Parra

In this case Matto would need to sign a waver for his release
And don't forget that it was Matto that wanted to leave so he would have to wear the loss or he stays
With Doueihi he is being told he can look elsewhere
If he finds a club (Tigers) that wish to sign him we make our offer $350,000 or less by the look of it
If south's don't want to make up the difference then Doueihi can stay at South's
That will put pressure on their cap
They can't make an offer to Addo-carr

Madge is smart
We had $1,300,000 to sign 3 players
$500,000 for BJ
$300,000 max for Doueihi a guess
That leaves $500,000 for Addo-carr
Now if Doueihi is on $500,000 at South's this season and we pay full freight then south's could out bid us for Addo-car
But if we force souths hand to contribute $200,000 of his contract then we can outbid Souths for Addo-carr

Souths would have Approx $300,000
Tigers would have Approx $500,000
Simple maths
$500,000 would be much more beneficial for Addo-carrs family and would give the Tigers the upper hand

In steps Crow and Packer
Dam we thought we had him


What happens if Eels decide to release Stef from his 2020 contract?
Let’s face it, for the last 10 years we suck at cap management, paying big for under performers and lowballing our good young talent, making them too easily moved on.
I’ve got a good feeling we’re now turning things around. We just need 2 backs with speed and try scoring power, and Stef.


If these whispers about BJ are true
He definitely possesses Try scoring ability decent acceleration for a big lad but top speed not so much

What he does provide is both an x factor and good hit ups to take a bit of heat off the forwards....top speed or not he changes the way other teams see our backs....with him and Nof we can get two good hit ups off kicks ....

How about some finishing ie top fast speed over long distances? That is what we need from our backs, not backs doing work that belongs to the forwards

You're kidding right ? This isn't backs taking work away from forwards, it's the fact the first 3 tackles of each set are backs. The forwards are already working their nuts off , it gives them a chance to rest (usually walking back on side), whilst getting the set on the front foot. It's basically how the Sharks won Thier premiership. It's why the slimeys were significantly better last year with sivo and fergo. It's pretty essential in today's game .