Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[sparci]

Im continually confused how people believe that Simpkins' performance was better than Liddles this year. Liddle may not have been great but Simpkin was way out of his depth.

The team's best performance all year was against Souths with Simpkin playing. Not a coincidence

He was also the one that Burgess ran straight past to score the winning try. Yes great game.

U do realise we were a a man down cause talau was in the sinbin as well?

Also wasn't that his debut game as well?


It was. But if you think that’s an excuse, look at Cini.

Are you not referring to the conversation were these people where talking about Simpkin missing a tackle against souths? Or are you just randomly spurting out points?

You acted like I brought that up. I just asked why it was warranted to hate on for him one bad game, while the other is getting a rails run by a section of the forum.

Ok cool, now Im just telling you why they are two completely different scenarios. Giving up faith in Cini has multiple factors to it.. Wheres he gonna play? Fullback? No I think most would rather see Dillon or Laurie there, centre? Pass. Wing? Not quick enough. Simpkin on the other hand, his only competitor is Liddle in this squad, of whom cant pass a ball. Clearly the club see it fit to keep him on given no one has established themselves in that position.

Liddle can't pass a ball? Really? Sorry, I (semi-) respectfully disagree. Liddle is the best hooker in the club, and one of WT best players of 2021. End of story. Simpkin has a lot of improving to do in 2022 to unseat the starting hooker role from Liddle.

If your satisfied with his service, thats on you. Lob passes, tired after 30mins. But if your okay with that, cool. Let me ask you something, why are we talking to Hodgson then? Is it to play liddle on the bench? How many years do you want to invest in this bloke? I think ultimately the club sees the very obvious, hes not up to it, buy a stop gap for now, develop the young fella, and try again. He cant pass. End of.

We get it - you are a Simpkin Fanboy.

You don't have to keep putting crap on Liddle though.
If you said he can't pass once, you have said it a hundred times ... we understand. You have also said he can't play 80 i.e. your opinion.

All good - you can say it 100 times more if you like, you will never convince me of those opinions.

I shouldnt need to, if you watched last year you'd know. I've already said Liddle has good attributes but he lacks to main ones. If you can't see that Im sorry, I've just stated the glaring obvious. Im more of a fan of having a solid hooker, so yes, if Simpkin can provide that then I'll happily be a fanboy, just like you are of Liddle for whatever reasons you see fit. Not being able to convince you is more a reflection of your stubborness than Liddles ability. Cheers

 

[Russell]

The fact there is a debate between Simpkin and Liddle automatically hands it to Simpkin. He's played 50 less games and is 6 years younger. Clearly is the better player - he's miles ahead of where Liddle was at the same stage of their career. Liddle seems like a good guy with some talent but he can only pass left and regularly missed 5+ tackles a game

You have not been watching the games in 2021 if you think Simpkin is clearly a better player than Liddle.

He MAY and I stress the word MAY end up being better ... this is only a possibility at this stage.

From what I have seen he needs to work on a great percentage of his game.

E.g. Defence, stopping the standing with hands on hips after the PTB, kicking game, stop being a ball hog, being able to play 80 min., running game.....

He has plenty to work on during the off season.

 

[Tiger5150]

The fact there is a debate between Simpkin and Liddle automatically hands it to Simpkin. He's played 50 less games and is 6 years younger. Clearly is the better player - he's miles ahead of where Liddle was at the same stage of their career. Liddle seems like a good guy with some talent but he can only pass left and regularly missed 5+ tackles a game

You have not been watching the games in 2021 if you think Simpkin is clearly a better player than Liddle.

He MAY and I stress the word MAY end up being better ... this is only a possibility at this stage.

From what I have seen he needs to work on a great percentage of his game.

E.g. Defence, stopping the standing with hands on hips after the PTB, kicking game, stop being a ball hog, being able to play 80 min., running game.....

He has plenty to work on during the off season.

How would you rate Simpkins kicking game against Liddles?

 

[Russell]

The fact there is a debate between Simpkin and Liddle automatically hands it to Simpkin. He's played 50 less games and is 6 years younger. Clearly is the better player - he's miles ahead of where Liddle was at the same stage of their career. Liddle seems like a good guy with some talent but he can only pass left and regularly missed 5+ tackles a game

You have not been watching the games in 2021 if you think Simpkin is clearly a better player than Liddle.

He MAY and I stress the word MAY end up being better ... this is only a possibility at this stage.

From what I have seen he needs to work on a great percentage of his game.

E.g. Defence, stopping the standing with hands on hips after the PTB, kicking game, stop being a ball hog, being able to play 80 min., running game.....

He has plenty to work on during the off season.

How would you rate Simpkins kicking game against Liddles?

Well Tiger5150 I would place Liddle about I-I this much ahead. I am sure I am incorrect but last season Liddle had one kick, not a bad one either (supposedly he was being tutored by Farah - no real evidence of that though). Simpkin in the NRL to my knowledge didn't have a kick.

They both need to work on this area of their game, Where are you Robbie????

 

[earl]

If push comes to shove, I’d very much look into upping our offer to bring him over.

Even a slight upgrade of 633k over 3 years, gives the extra year as parra are only offering 2 years plus for a 23 year old forward may work best for us.

1.9 mil over 3 years or 900 k over 2 years

Would be missing out on a margin of around 1 million if he was to reject, let’s turn up the heat a little and make parra sweat

800-900K for 3 years I would be ok with it that would definitely make Parra sweat

That is way too high. You could offer him basically a signing bonus by paying him that much for the first year. Post that point it goes back to the 600k. That is great money.

 

[Glenji95]

If push comes to shove, I’d very much look into upping our offer to bring him over.

Even a slight upgrade of 633k over 3 years, gives the extra year as parra are only offering 2 years plus for a 23 year old forward may work best for us.

1.9 mil over 3 years or 900 k over 2 years

Would be missing out on a margin of around 1 million if he was to reject, let’s turn up the heat a little and make parra sweat

800-900K for 3 years I would be ok with it that would definitely make Parra sweat

That is way too high. You could offer him basically a signing bonus by paying him that much for the first year. Post that point it goes back to the 600k. That is great money.

Maybe that might work pay him 800K one year then drop it down to 600K

 

[earl]

If push comes to shove, I’d very much look into upping our offer to bring him over.

Even a slight upgrade of 633k over 3 years, gives the extra year as parra are only offering 2 years plus for a 23 year old forward may work best for us.

1.9 mil over 3 years or 900 k over 2 years

Would be missing out on a margin of around 1 million if he was to reject, let’s turn up the heat a little and make parra sweat

800-900K for 3 years I would be ok with it that would definitely make Parra sweat

That is way too high. You could offer him basically a signing bonus by paying him that much for the first year. Post that point it goes back to the 600k. That is great money.

Maybe that might work pay him 800K one year then drop it down to 600K

That is a way to get a player and not ruin our cap longer term. Even if we don't get him it makes Parra pay more. I hope we get him though.

I also wonder what happens with Luciano. I like Luciano but he is another who only stays for extra dollars and I think we should let those players go. I don't mind Nofo for instance but we shouldn't have played his managers game.

 

[Telltails]

Never seen a player perform when offered way more than their worth after a break out year. Papali has been offered a good contract but there needs to be a limit.

 

[Newtown]

If push comes to shove, I’d very much look into upping our offer to bring him over.

Even a slight upgrade of 633k over 3 years, gives the extra year as parra are only offering 2 years plus for a 23 year old forward may work best for us.

1.9 mil over 3 years or 900 k over 2 years

Would be missing out on a margin of around 1 million if he was to reject, let’s turn up the heat a little and make parra sweat

800-900K for 3 years I would be ok with it that would definitely make Parra sweat

That is way too high. You could offer him basically a signing bonus by paying him that much for the first year. Post that point it goes back to the 600k. That is great money.

Maybe that might work pay him 800K one year then drop it down to 600K

That is a way to get a player and not ruin our cap longer term. Even if we don't get him it makes Parra pay more. I hope we get him though.

I also wonder what happens with Luciano. I like Luciano but he is another who only stays for extra dollars and I think we should let those players go. I don't mind Nofo for instance but we shouldn't have played his managers game.

Luciano is the perfect bench player who comes on when the team needs to attack.

 

[tony soprano]

Im continually confused how people believe that Simpkins' performance was better than Liddles this year. Liddle may not have been great but Simpkin was way out of his depth.

The team's best performance all year was against Souths with Simpkin playing. Not a coincidence

He was also the one that Burgess ran straight past to score the winning try. Yes great game.

U do realise we were a a man down cause talau was in the sinbin as well?

Also wasn't that his debut game as well?


It was. But if you think that’s an excuse, look at Cini.

Are you not referring to the conversation were these people where talking about Simpkin missing a tackle against souths? Or are you just randomly spurting out points?

You acted like I brought that up. I just asked why it was warranted to hate on for him one bad game, while the other is getting a rails run by a section of the forum.

Ok cool, now Im just telling you why they are two completely different scenarios. Giving up faith in Cini has multiple factors to it.. Wheres he gonna play? Fullback? No I think most would rather see Dillon or Laurie there, centre? Pass. Wing? Not quick enough. Simpkin on the other hand, his only competitor is Liddle in this squad, of whom cant pass a ball. Clearly the club see it fit to keep him on given no one has established themselves in that position.

Liddle can't pass a ball? Really? Sorry, I (semi-) respectfully disagree. Liddle is the best hooker in the club, and one of WT best players of 2021. End of story. Simpkin has a lot of improving to do in 2022 to unseat the starting hooker role from Liddle.

If your satisfied with his service, thats on you. Lob passes, tired after 30mins. But if your okay with that, cool. Let me ask you something, why are we talking to Hodgson then? Is it to play liddle on the bench? How many years do you want to invest in this bloke? I think ultimately the club sees the very obvious, hes not up to it, buy a stop gap for now, develop the young fella, and try again. He cant pass. End of.

We get it - you are a Simpkin Fanboy.

You don't have to keep putting crap on Liddle though.
If you said he can't pass once, you have said it a hundred times ... we understand. You have also said he can't play 80 i.e. your opinion.

All good - you can say it 100 times more if you like, you will never convince me of those opinions.

Man get over it.

 

[batboy]

Never seen a player perform when offered way more than their worth after a break out year. Papali has been offered a good contract but there needs to be a limit.

Take it as fact that Papalii was a fan favourite before he'd played a game for Parra...
His work ethic, Character and Skills were noted by all and sundry very early on...
He could be THE player we need to lift us, And attract that 1/2 other players that get us on the front foot recruiting wise...
He may not be the big game breaker that drags us by the collar into being a title shot, But he is definitely that guy that that will inspire an extra 5-10% of everyone else he plays with....

That, coupled with a couple more quality signings including him... Would be the best part of what we need.

 

[avocadoontoast]

If push comes to shove, I’d very much look into upping our offer to bring him over.

Even a slight upgrade of 633k over 3 years, gives the extra year as parra are only offering 2 years plus for a 23 year old forward may work best for us.

1.9 mil over 3 years or 900 k over 2 years

Would be missing out on a margin of around 1 million if he was to reject, let’s turn up the heat a little and make parra sweat

800-900K for 3 years I would be ok with it that would definitely make Parra sweat

That is way too high. You could offer him basically a signing bonus by paying him that much for the first year. Post that point it goes back to the 600k. That is great money.

Papali'i would be a fantastic signing but geez not at $800-900k. The $600k number that has been thrown around is bang on.

 

[Telltails]

Never seen a player perform when offered way more than their worth after a break out year. Papali has been offered a good contract but there needs to be a limit.

Take it as fact that Papalii was a fan favourite before he'd played a game for Parra...
His work ethic, Character and Skills were noted by all and sundry very early on...
He could be THE player we need to lift us, And attract that 1/2 other players that get us on the front foot recruiting wise...
He may not be the big game breaker that drags us by the collar into being a title shot, But he is definitely that guy that that will inspire an extra 5-10% of everyone else he plays with....

That, coupled with a couple more quality signings including him... Would be the best part of what we need.

Hope you are right But with big money comes big expectations and very few live up to it- way too much pressure. Just think there has to be a ceiling for players who have one good year, because teams are coached to nullify them in the second year, and often that just can't produce the quality that justifies the price tag. If we do snag him hope he makes me eat my words.

 

[Glenji95]

If push comes to shove, I’d very much look into upping our offer to bring him over.

Even a slight upgrade of 633k over 3 years, gives the extra year as parra are only offering 2 years plus for a 23 year old forward may work best for us.

1.9 mil over 3 years or 900 k over 2 years

Would be missing out on a margin of around 1 million if he was to reject, let’s turn up the heat a little and make parra sweat

800-900K for 3 years I would be ok with it that would definitely make Parra sweat

That is way too high. You could offer him basically a signing bonus by paying him that much for the first year. Post that point it goes back to the 600k. That is great money.

Papali'i would be a fantastic signing but geez not at $800-900k. The $600k number that has been thrown around is bang on.

Would love to be wrong but I don’t think he would take that offer if we really want him we have to up the offer from our end but if he does take the 600K we offered I’ll be happy with that

 

[avocadoontoast]

If push comes to shove, I’d very much look into upping our offer to bring him over.

Even a slight upgrade of 633k over 3 years, gives the extra year as parra are only offering 2 years plus for a 23 year old forward may work best for us.

1.9 mil over 3 years or 900 k over 2 years

Would be missing out on a margin of around 1 million if he was to reject, let’s turn up the heat a little and make parra sweat

800-900K for 3 years I would be ok with it that would definitely make Parra sweat

That is way too high. You could offer him basically a signing bonus by paying him that much for the first year. Post that point it goes back to the 600k. That is great money.

Papali'i would be a fantastic signing but geez not at $800-900k. The $600k number that has been thrown around is bang on.

Would love to be wrong but I don’t think he would take that offer if we really want him we have to up the offer from our end but if he does take the 600K we offered I’ll be happy with that

If we go to $650k i'm ok with that. He's a very good player, about to hit his peak.

 

[Glenji95]

If push comes to shove, I’d very much look into upping our offer to bring him over.

Even a slight upgrade of 633k over 3 years, gives the extra year as parra are only offering 2 years plus for a 23 year old forward may work best for us.

1.9 mil over 3 years or 900 k over 2 years

Would be missing out on a margin of around 1 million if he was to reject, let’s turn up the heat a little and make parra sweat

800-900K for 3 years I would be ok with it that would definitely make Parra sweat

That is way too high. You could offer him basically a signing bonus by paying him that much for the first year. Post that point it goes back to the 600k. That is great money.

Papali'i would be a fantastic signing but geez not at $800-900k. The $600k number that has been thrown around is bang on.

Would love to be wrong but I don’t think he would take that offer if we really want him we have to up the offer from our end but if he does take the 600K we offered I’ll be happy with that

If we go to $650k i'm ok with that. He's a very good player, about to hit his peak.

If it was up to me personally I’d go 700K as my final offer but does he want to be loyal to Parra? Guess we’ll find out eventually but if we do miss out on him I’d go for Paulo next they can’t keep them all

 

[PJ_]

So glad hartigan is gone. On par with Jason Taylor for screwing us up

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I don't believe the club could afford another recruitment failure so we need to ensure what we offer is sufficient to get him from the Eels.

 

[mactiger]

If push comes to shove, I’d very much look into upping our offer to bring him over.

Even a slight upgrade of 633k over 3 years, gives the extra year as parra are only offering 2 years plus for a 23 year old forward may work best for us.

1.9 mil over 3 years or 900 k over 2 years

Would be missing out on a margin of around 1 million if he was to reject, let’s turn up the heat a little and make parra sweat

800-900K for 3 years I would be ok with it that would definitely make Parra sweat

That is way too high. You could offer him basically a signing bonus by paying him that much for the first year. Post that point it goes back to the 600k. That is great money.

Papali'i would be a fantastic signing but geez not at $800-900k. The $600k number that has been thrown around is bang on.

Would love to be wrong but I don’t think he would take that offer if we really want him we have to up the offer from our end but if he does take the 600K we offered I’ll be happy with that

If we go to $650k i'm ok with that. He's a very good player, about to hit his peak.

If it was up to me personally I’d go 700K as my final offer but does he want to be loyal to Parra? Guess we’ll find out eventually but if we do miss out on him I’d go for Paulo next they can’t keep them all

Hope he signs anyway has anyone herd whats happening on the josh hodson front

 

[Glenji95]

If push comes to shove, I’d very much look into upping our offer to bring him over.

Even a slight upgrade of 633k over 3 years, gives the extra year as parra are only offering 2 years plus for a 23 year old forward may work best for us.

1.9 mil over 3 years or 900 k over 2 years

Would be missing out on a margin of around 1 million if he was to reject, let’s turn up the heat a little and make parra sweat

800-900K for 3 years I would be ok with it that would definitely make Parra sweat

That is way too high. You could offer him basically a signing bonus by paying him that much for the first year. Post that point it goes back to the 600k. That is great money.

Papali'i would be a fantastic signing but geez not at $800-900k. The $600k number that has been thrown around is bang on.

Would love to be wrong but I don’t think he would take that offer if we really want him we have to up the offer from our end but if he does take the 600K we offered I’ll be happy with that

If we go to $650k i'm ok with that. He's a very good player, about to hit his peak.

If it was up to me personally I’d go 700K as my final offer but does he want to be loyal to Parra? Guess we’ll find out eventually but if we do miss out on him I’d go for Paulo next they can’t keep them all

Hope he signs anyway has anyone herd whats happening on the josh hodson front

Only that if happening it should be done this week