Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Tiger5150]

I am extremely concerned about our recruitment.

Last year we signed Grant to a 1 year contract (agreed loan deal) and gave him first grade experience & sent him back to the storm a better player.

Until I see extensions signed, I am not convinced that we are not doing the same (over more time) with Laurie, Blore & Stefano

Until we bring through our own juniors we will continue to be a stepping stone club. We are 5 years away I would be surprised if we keep many of these young kids. Our real hope is with the current Flegg players and below. Hopefully we get it right and increase no extend before the last year of contracts. Agents are smart though we have to pay to retain.

IMO we need visible structural change and for me that means the coach if we can get a suitable superior option (IMO Ciraldo or stay with Madge). We need to show the current and potential future players that the club is making changes but do it without butchering the good things that have been put in place (junior pathways etc).

I know everyone wants a top down clean out and I understand the superficial desire for that, but IMO its a dangerous route. The club DOES need systemic change but it also has the green shoots of good systems at the bottom that could/should pay off in 3-5years time. It is the nature of a board that if we replace the board in total, they are compelled to "Do something" and clean everything and everyone out. That might work but it also pushes everything back to square one.

After waiting the last 10 years, I dont want to go back to square 1. I like what I see with junior pathways, I like the idea of Sheens role, in principle I like Hartigans role, love the CoE being here in 12 months.

I want a "lite" clean out. All coaching staff except Madge if we cant get Ciraldo and I'd punt Burgess from the Board and replace him with an independent.

Why is Ciraldo a superior option with a handful of games as an NRL caretaker coach…

Being an assistant coach is all great and all but just like the step up from reserve grade to NRL as a player it is even more of a jump for a Coach especially at our Club..

Had you said Bennett then yeah..

Bennett would be first choice but very unrealistic.

I understand and agree with your point about the step up, but IMO Ciraldo has been groomed for this for a while and the younger players seem to have his respect. I might be totally wrong, but IMO Wolf would be an even bigger gamble. All these kids in the NRL play together and against each other in junior reps etc and the familarity of Ciraldo would be better than Wolf (ESL is reservce grade standard lets be honest).

 

[JC99]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
c
All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

They kinda were... they were in, then they pulled out and went for Finucane then last minute went back in for TPJ after the chairman had publicly said he wasn't the type of player the club wanted

Pretty dumb way to try sign a player

 

[cochise]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
c
All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

They kinda were... they were in, then they pulled out and went for Finucane then last minute went back in for TPJ after the chairman had publicly said he wasn't the type of player the club wanted

Pretty dumb way to try sign a player

That is from the outside looking in and is only half the story

 

[Lauren]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
c
All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

Sorry but I found that the most botched recruitment negotiation I've personally observed from the club. It (Lee's statement about TPJ then the club's later attempt to lure him) made us look indecisive and embarrassing tbh.
It's not the first time we were supposedly the front runners of a signing either, completely forgot about JAC until just now ?

 

[JC99]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
c
All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

They kinda were... they were in, then they pulled out and went for Finucane then last minute went back in for TPJ after the chairman had publicly said he wasn't the type of player the club wanted

Pretty dumb way to try sign a player

That is from the outside looking in and is only half the story

Half the story or not how can you expect to sign a bloke doing that... what is the other half of the story?

 

[frullens]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
c
All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

They kinda were... they were in, then they pulled out and went for Finucane then last minute went back in for TPJ after the chairman had publicly said he wasn't the type of player the club wanted

Pretty dumb way to try sign a player

That is from the outside looking in and is only half the story

But that is the story in public.
A half truth not made public has no value.

And the story which adds to the perceptions of the club.
If you listen to the madge detractors perception is reality, so managing public perception is a key.

So either the club need to do better in recruitment or better at public relations.

 

[TigerWest]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
c
All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

They kinda were... they were in, then they pulled out and went for Finucane then last minute went back in for TPJ after the chairman had publicly said he wasn't the type of player the club wanted

Pretty dumb way to try sign a player

That is from the outside looking in and is only half the story

But he isn’t coming here?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
c
All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

They kinda were... they were in, then they pulled out and went for Finucane then last minute went back in for TPJ after the chairman had publicly said he wasn't the type of player the club wanted

Pretty dumb way to try sign a player

That’s because we have a pretty dumb chairman.

 

[tigerballs]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
c
All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

Sorry but I found that the most botched recruitment negotiation I've personally observed from the club. It (Lee's statement about TPJ then the club's later attempt to lure him) made us look indecisive and embarrassing tbh.
It's not the first time we were supposedly the front runners of a signing either, completely forgot about JAC until just now ?

Of course I’m happy with the signing of Laurie, Stef, Blore Tuki and Tuilagi but we have missed a few good ones, Burton for one and Sua for another, and bungled even more. Everyone is on Hartigan’s team because we have a few decent players in Flegg but how much did he actually have to do with that. And it seems more are leaving than staying. I have also heard first hand his treatment of one of those was very poor. We also haven’t seen any of the Flegg guys progress yet and until then, the jury is still out.

 

[whats.doueihing]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
c
All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

Sorry but I found that the most botched recruitment negotiation I've personally observed from the club. It (Lee's statement about TPJ then the club's later attempt to lure him) made us look indecisive and embarrassing tbh.
It's not the first time we were supposedly the front runners of a signing either, completely forgot about JAC until just now ?


Of course I’m happy with the signing of Laurie, Stef, Blore Tuki and Tuilagi but we have missed a few good ones, Burton for one and Sua for another, and bungled even more. Everyone is on Hartigan’s team because we have a few decent players in Flegg but how much did he actually have to do with that. And it seems more are leaving than staying. I have also heard first hand his treatment of one of those was very poor. We also haven’t seen any of the Flegg guys progress yet and until then, the jury is still out.

Any players news mate?

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.

Think the pom said something along the lines of he "seems" to have survived. Still provides latitude for it to go either way really, i could be wrong but i recall reading what he said at the time and that was my thoughts.

 

[palms]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
c
All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

Sorry but I found that the most botched recruitment negotiation I've personally observed from the club. It (Lee's statement about TPJ then the club's later attempt to lure him) made us look indecisive and embarrassing tbh.
It's not the first time we were supposedly the front runners of a signing either, completely forgot about JAC until just now ?


Of course I’m happy with the signing of Laurie, Stef, Blore Tuki and Tuilagi but we have missed a few good ones, Burton for one and Sua for another, and bungled even more. Everyone is on Hartigan’s team because we have a few decent players in Flegg but how much did he actually have to do with that. And it seems more are leaving than staying. I have also heard first hand his treatment of one of those was very poor. We also haven’t seen any of the Flegg guys progress yet and until then, the jury is still out.

I think you are bang on here Tigerballs... From what I've heard, Hartigan has had nothing to do with bringing those Flegg boys together.

 

[tigerballs]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
c
All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

Sorry but I found that the most botched recruitment negotiation I've personally observed from the club. It (Lee's statement about TPJ then the club's later attempt to lure him) made us look indecisive and embarrassing tbh.
It's not the first time we were supposedly the front runners of a signing either, completely forgot about JAC until just now ?


Of course I’m happy with the signing of Laurie, Stef, Blore Tuki and Tuilagi but we have missed a few good ones, Burton for one and Sua for another, and bungled even more. Everyone is on Hartigan’s team because we have a few decent players in Flegg but how much did he actually have to do with that. And it seems more are leaving than staying. I have also heard first hand his treatment of one of those was very poor. We also haven’t seen any of the Flegg guys progress yet and until then, the jury is still out.

Any players news mate?

The Lomax thing is still very much alive.

 

[Spartan117]

Why does anyone think the dogs are realistically offering Munster 1.8 million a year. Especially when they have zero cap space. It's just a laugh

Because they have been caught cheating before.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Why does anyone think the dogs are realistically offering Munster 1.8 million a year. Especially when they have zero cap space. It's just a laugh

Because they have been caught cheating before.

20 years ago. Gus isn’t that dumb to do something as blatant as that.

 

[Furious1]

I am extremely concerned about our recruitment.

Last year we signed Grant to a 1 year contract (agreed loan deal) and gave him first grade experience & sent him back to the storm a better player.

Until I see extensions signed, I am not convinced that we are not doing the same (over more time) with Laurie, Blore & Stefano

Until we bring through our own juniors we will continue to be a stepping stone club. We are 5 years away I would be surprised if we keep many of these young kids. Our real hope is with the current Flegg players and below. Hopefully we get it right and increase no extend before the last year of contracts. Agents are smart though we have to pay to retain.

IMO we need visible structural change and for me that means the coach if we can get a suitable superior option (IMO Ciraldo or stay with Madge). We need to show the current and potential future players that the club is making changes but do it without butchering the good things that have been put in place (junior pathways etc).

I know everyone wants a top down clean out and I understand the superficial desire for that, but IMO its a dangerous route. The club DOES need systemic change but it also has the green shoots of good systems at the bottom that could/should pay off in 3-5years time. It is the nature of a board that if we replace the board in total, they are compelled to "Do something" and clean everything and everyone out. That might work but it also pushes everything back to square one.

After waiting the last 10 years, I dont want to go back to square 1. I like what I see with junior pathways, I like the idea of Sheens role, in principle I like Hartigans role, love the CoE being here in 12 months.

I want a "lite" clean out. All coaching staff except Madge if we cant get Ciraldo and I'd punt Burgess from the Board and replace him with an independent.

**Why is Ciraldo a superior option with a handful of games as an NRL caretaker coach…**

Being an assistant coach is all great and all but just like the step up from reserve grade to NRL as a player it is even more of a jump for a Coach especially at our Club..

Had you said Bennett then yeah..

I'm not anti Ciraldo but as you point out, it was a handful of games, with a young side on a winning run and great assistance from Gould, Alexander and Peter Wallace. People forget for that little run the side was already in the top 4 when he took over.

 

[cochise]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
c
All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

Sorry but I found that the most botched recruitment negotiation I've personally observed from the club. It (Lee's statement about TPJ then the club's later attempt to lure him) made us look indecisive and embarrassing tbh.
It's not the first time we were supposedly the front runners of a signing either, completely forgot about JAC until just now ?

TPJ reopen negotiations not the other way.

 

[supercoach]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
c
All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

Sorry but I found that the most botched recruitment negotiation I've personally observed from the club. It (Lee's statement about TPJ then the club's later attempt to lure him) made us look indecisive and embarrassing tbh.
It's not the first time we were supposedly the front runners of a signing either, completely forgot about JAC until just now ?


Of course I’m happy with the signing of Laurie, Stef, Blore Tuki and Tuilagi but we have missed a few good ones, Burton for one and Sua for another, and bungled even more. Everyone is on Hartigan’s team because we have a few decent players in Flegg but how much did he actually have to do with that. And it seems more are leaving than staying. I have also heard first hand his treatment of one of those was very poor. We also haven’t seen any of the Flegg guys progress yet and until then, the jury is still out.

Any players news mate?


The Lomax thing is still very much alive.

Might be dead if Madge is flicked

 

[Lauren]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.
c
All this Review is achieving is wasting valuable time in recruiting decent capable players.. What a wierd and wasteful mob the Wests tigers organisation is.

Madge isn't safe yet.

Wish the same for the board pascoe and hartigan. All time low for the club

With Hartigan and assistance from Sheens, our club is well placed to recruit new talent. IMO acquiring good young players on the cusp of the NRL is an excellent outcome. You only have to revisit the Laurie and Utoikamanu signings to realise the value they bring to our team. My fingers are crossed a new coach will bring an incremental improvement to our play generally but specifically our defence.

Yeah, I don't know how people don't see this.

Sheens has been out of the loop for years and Hartigan has not set the world alight.

Both are intelligent men and assets to WTs. I have confidence in both men.

Confidence can be misplaced and when it is it becomes dangerous.
Maybe I’ll be corrected next year. Wait and see.

Depends what leads to that confidence.

Agreed. There seems to be some blind faith though and that’s a worry.

I don't have blind faith.

I’m not necessarily saying you. I don’t know you. I’m speaking generally.

I base my opinion on Hartigan on conversations, he has an outstanding knowledge of the game, players right across the game and I like his approach. I believe he is a massive asset to this club.

Maybe he should be in pathways and talent identification then and not general manager..

No he is good in the GM role.

Also I’m genuinely curious, what makes you believe he is good in that role? You have obviously met him, could he just be a good talker? It seems he is great at identifying talent but I’m yet to see why he deserves that role with all the rumours of not returning calls or emails

The rumour of not returning calls or emails came from 1 bloke, Simon Woolford. Whose only current league official position is coach of Wagga Kangaroos. After he got sacked in his UK coaching role he was cold calling the club trying to get interest in British players that he did not officially represent trying to get a slice of any deal he could.

I'm glad Hartigan had the sense to fob off a park footy coach who was trying to make himself a quick buck. Woolford is a grub

I don't think it's just Woolford's account which has caused any raised doubts, but rather several instances.
Sam McIntyre and the two flegg players going elsewhere, are players that have left and there's been no mention of Hartigan navigating though contract negotiations with them - though I'm not sure if Hartigan is responsible for the flegg boys (?). In fact Sam himself stated he'd never heard back from the club.
Finucane got a contract offer (from us) on the eve of signing with Sharks.
Then it was further revealed on the forum that Madge personally approached Vaughan, the day he signed with the Dogs. Plus we all personally witnessed Pascoe and Lee assume control of the TPJ contract or they certainly played the biggest hand at bungling it.

I'm not sure of what the scope of his duties and responsibilities are but as someone who is supposed to have the final say and at the helm of our recruitment, retention and tasked with shaping the team, through these instances he's also contributing to the common miscommunication problems at the organisation.
It's obviously just my opinion but I hope it's not a common feature of his like others at the club, as otherwise he's been quite capable in his scouting ability and capabilities to identify competitive edge - through our juniors.

The TPJ negotiations weren't bungled.

Sorry but I found that the most botched recruitment negotiation I've personally observed from the club. It (Lee's statement about TPJ then the club's later attempt to lure him) made us look indecisive and embarrassing tbh.
It's not the first time we were supposedly the front runners of a signing either, completely forgot about JAC until just now ?

TPJ reopen negotiations not the other way.

Yet the club still somehow managed to come off looking second best (from it).

Please know it's nothing against you Garry, so thanks for clarifying that anyway.
I'm just a little tentative of the club's operations process and specifically how the club doesn't appear to have any competitive advantage/leverage when negotiating with high profile players.
We previously may have not really required taking this approach - recruiting stars - however the position we're currently in and where we want to be, and now having some decent young talent at the club makes it much more pertinent IMO.

 

[Balmainian]

Anything said about who our coach will be.

Keen to know myself... Fingers crossed we know this week

The Pom has indicated that Madge would hold his coaching position.

Think the pom said something along the lines of he "seems" to have survived. Still provides latitude for it to go either way really, i could be wrong but i recall reading what he said at the time and that was my thoughts.

Far out we as fans are a bunch of whinging flogs, how the hell was madge going to get us into the finals with the attitudes of half these players and the club’s suit and ties showing very little professionalism from the top.
This club has been scapegoating coaches for nearly 20 years.
Pull your heads out of the sand and start looking beyond the coach because that tactic has been proven to not work.
Sack Pascoe and Give Lee Hap a muzzle.
Sheens should be the one people are feeding off not these pretentious wannabe’s